Teams lost to a team that finished lower than them 7 times in the SECW this year. That's got to be a record. Everyone lost to a team that finished below them except Arkansas and A&M. Everyone beat a team that finished above them except Bama and MSU. Mississippi beat the top 2 teams in the division but went 1-3 against the bottom 4.
Crazy year in the SEC West.
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Also, comparing our W/L to ole miss, it's even stranger.
They lost to 3 teams we beat, they beat the other team we lost to, and won the head to head. Our only commonalities are that we both beat AtM and Vandy.
They lost to 3 teams we beat, they beat the other team we lost to, and won the head to head. Our only commonalities are that we both beat AtM and Vandy.
Ole Miss was head and shoulders better than us this year. The difference was the Treadwell injury. It cost them a win and their best player. That doesn't happen and they are probably in Atlanta. Comparatively we didnt face anywhere close to that kind of adversity. Makes me sick but everything fell our way and we still blew it.
So you think our team had anything happen to them as disappointing as what happened at the end of that OM-AUB game? Give OM credit. That was the worst way to lose a game I can think of. It swung the West back into Bama's hands.
OM was head and shoulders better? Boy, you still seem to be working in only extremes still.
They beat us in 1 game. Take it to 10 games and I wouldn't be surprised to see it split 5-5. Even if it were 4-6, a team that is 'head and shoulders better' would win 8,9, or 10 out of 10.
They played better than us in a game. Our season has still be incredible. We were rated #1 for weeks which has never happened.
They beat us in 1 game. Take it to 10 games and I wouldn't be surprised to see it split 5-5. Even if it were 4-6, a team that is 'head and shoulders better' would win 8,9, or 10 out of 10.
They played better than us in a game. Our season has still be incredible. We were rated #1 for weeks which has never happened.
You are close to waving good bye. Get over whatever it is that you are having trouble getting over.
I don't think we would beat them in Oxford very often. The team we played was missing Treadwell, Sanders, DKnemdichie, SBryant (half), and had Bo and Tunsil banged up. That's quite a bit of talent missing on their end.
To me, it's about match ups. Everyone watched LSU, Ark, and Bama hammer them out of the power I, but we arent that type of O. Flip side is just as bad, their O puts a lot of pressure on our weakest link on D (secondary).
To me, it's about match ups. Everyone watched LSU, Ark, and Bama hammer them out of the power I, but we arent that type of O. Flip side is just as bad, their O puts a lot of pressure on our weakest link on D (secondary).
Most of it boils down to it being incredibly difficult to win on the road against Top 25 teams. And everybody in the West is a top 25 team whether the pollsters say so or not. The only inferior team who won on the road was A&M at Aub.
I understand the Auburn loss because of what happened but I still don't know how we didn't beat LSU. That game still bothers me. The Arkansas game was just an anomaly.
Those two teams had similar offensive gameplans against you and it worked well. Still, LSU was certainly winnable but Arkansas wore your *** out. That was no anomaly.
I can tell you why. You were playing on the road in the SEC. The Arkansas game was not an anomaly, they were playing as well as anyone at the end of the year, and had their QB not gotten hurt, they would have rolled up Missouri too. Ole Miss was a good team, but do not start all the superiority talk. You would not have beaten MSU nor Alabama away from Vaught Hemingway.
They were not head and shoulders better than us this year.
We beat LSU in Baton Rouge. They did not.
We beat a 6-6 Arkansas team. They got shut out by them 30-0.
We beat Auburn at home. They did not. CIRCUMSTANCES BE DAMNED. They still lost.
The difference in our seasons is they got Auburn, Bama, and us at home while we went on the road for 2 of our 3 toughest opponents.
It's simply hard to win on the road in the SEC. Look at how close that Bama-LSU game was. LSU was nowhere near as good as Bama this year. Same thing with OM and Arkansas.
Also take a look at the last 2 times somebody won on the road in the egg bowl. In 03 OM had a career NFL QB and we were having our worst season in over 20 years. In 2010 OM went 4-8 (1-7) and lost to Jacksonville State while we were knocking off UGA and beating Florida in a swamp both for our first time in decades.
We beat LSU in Baton Rouge. They did not.
We beat a 6-6 Arkansas team. They got shut out by them 30-0.
We beat Auburn at home. They did not. CIRCUMSTANCES BE DAMNED. They still lost.
The difference in our seasons is they got Auburn, Bama, and us at home while we went on the road for 2 of our 3 toughest opponents.
It's simply hard to win on the road in the SEC. Look at how close that Bama-LSU game was. LSU was nowhere near as good as Bama this year. Same thing with OM and Arkansas.
Also take a look at the last 2 times somebody won on the road in the egg bowl. In 03 OM had a career NFL QB and we were having our worst season in over 20 years. In 2010 OM went 4-8 (1-7) and lost to Jacksonville State while we were knocking off UGA and beating Florida in a swamp both for our first time in decades.
I don't dispute that Ole Miss had a great team this year. But I refuse to believe the hype that the loss of Treadwell was the sole reason for them falling short. He's one player and a WR at that.
Not sure why anyone continues to perpetuate that as though it was the reason they started losing.
Not sure why anyone continues to perpetuate that as though it was the reason they started losing.
This guy gets it. The West was down and we were senior-ladened and as talented as we've ever been. Ole Miss was riddled with injuries. This was the most vulnerable Bama has been in years. LSU, Auburn & A&M lost major contributors. Arkansas was still rebuilding. This was our chance.
If you think I'm wrong all that has to happen is we have to win the West in the next couple of years. If that happens I'll admit I'm overreacting.
If you think I'm wrong all that has to happen is we have to win the West in the next couple of years. If that happens I'll admit I'm overreacting.
Actually those two games
couldn't have been much more different. LSU ran it for almost 5 ypc. Arkansas ran it for 3.2. We lost the Arkansas game because we were -5 in turnovers. The only reason we had a real shot to win the LSU game was because we were +3. Ole Miss actually outgained Arkansas, but LSU outgained Ole Miss by nearly 100 yards. LSU was nearly 50% on 3rd/4th down, while Arkansas was <33%. Anyway, long story short, the LSU game was about them running over the Ole Miss defense. The Arkansas game was not. But it was a beating nonetheless.
couldn't have been much more different. LSU ran it for almost 5 ypc. Arkansas ran it for 3.2. We lost the Arkansas game because we were -5 in turnovers. The only reason we had a real shot to win the LSU game was because we were +3. Ole Miss actually outgained Arkansas, but LSU outgained Ole Miss by nearly 100 yards. LSU was nearly 50% on 3rd/4th down, while Arkansas was <33%. Anyway, long story short, the LSU game was about them running over the Ole Miss defense. The Arkansas game was not. But it was a beating nonetheless.
The offensive gameplan for the LSU game isn't what won the game for them. Our defense allowed 10 points. That's more than good enough. The offense was 50 shades of bad that day. Both days, really. LSU wore us out more than Arkansas did.
I think he means ban you for constantly making inaccurate statements
You can not tow the "party line" all you want on this board. But saying that Ole Miss was "head and shoulders" above us is ridiculous. They do have a better defense than us, and played great at home on Saturday. However, they lost at LSU without all those injuries you're making excuses for, and they lost at home to Auburn with a major injury at the end. Very good chance they lose that game even if Treadwell scores. We took care of both of those teams. Then they get blown out at Arkansas. Do you think Arkansas is "head and shoulders" above Ole Miss?
They had their bad day at Arkansas, we had our bad day in Oxford. It sucks it happened with so much on the line, but that's the parity of college football - especially our conference. Hard to get up enough every week to win 12 games no matter how many seniors you have.
You can not tow the "party line" all you want on this board. But saying that Ole Miss was "head and shoulders" above us is ridiculous. They do have a better defense than us, and played great at home on Saturday. However, they lost at LSU without all those injuries you're making excuses for, and they lost at home to Auburn with a major injury at the end. Very good chance they lose that game even if Treadwell scores. We took care of both of those teams. Then they get blown out at Arkansas. Do you think Arkansas is "head and shoulders" above Ole Miss?
They had their bad day at Arkansas, we had our bad day in Oxford. It sucks it happened with so much on the line, but that's the parity of college football - especially our conference. Hard to get up enough every week to win 12 games no matter how many seniors you have.
It's extremely difficult to beat a good team on the road in the SEC....
For Ole Miss, the Arkansas game is another example. Things tend to just go wrong for you and right for them.
For Ole Miss, the Arkansas game is another example. Things tend to just go wrong for you and right for them.
They've beaten us soundly. They are better. We had a chance to prove we were better. We never even had the ball with a chance to take the lead in the fourth quarter. Arguing we're better by the transitive property is the dumbest thing ever.
You don't understand a thing about win probability if you think Auburn has a "very good chance" to win that game if Treadwell scores.
Over the course of the season, the Treadwell injury is the difference between them being 10-2 and being 9-3. They can look back and say, if that doesn't happen we "might" win the West. That's fair. Injuries are something you can't really control. I'd say the same thing if it had happened to us.
On the flip side, we don't have that excuse. We didn't suffer a heartbreaking injury directly resulting in a loss. We just sucked in the two most important games in school history. Against Alabama & Ole Miss we were outscored 26-6 in the first half. We didn't score a first half touchdown in our last three division games. We just choked. There's no other explanation.
And don't feed me that parity crap. The same two teams have won the West the last 6 years. That's not parity.
You don't understand a thing about win probability if you think Auburn has a "very good chance" to win that game if Treadwell scores.
Over the course of the season, the Treadwell injury is the difference between them being 10-2 and being 9-3. They can look back and say, if that doesn't happen we "might" win the West. That's fair. Injuries are something you can't really control. I'd say the same thing if it had happened to us.
On the flip side, we don't have that excuse. We didn't suffer a heartbreaking injury directly resulting in a loss. We just sucked in the two most important games in school history. Against Alabama & Ole Miss we were outscored 26-6 in the first half. We didn't score a first half touchdown in our last three division games. We just choked. There's no other explanation.
And don't feed me that parity crap. The same two teams have won the West the last 6 years. That's not parity.
We would have beaten both them and Alabama in Starkville. It is what it is. They won this year. But they also finished 9-3 and Treadwell broke his ankle. Injuries are part of the deal. Come on bro, get that burr out of your saddle. We beat them last year at home with a 3rd string quarterback. No team has excuses at the end of the day. Do you think there was a single Ole Miss fan last year saying that MSU was better? No, only self-defeatists like yourself walk around proclaiming that nonsense.
Is Urban Meyer walking around saying oh we would have made the playoff without 2 of our quarterbacks going down? No. Do you think TCU gives them the benefit of the doubt? No. Do you think Auburn feels bad about beating Ole Miss? No. Get over yourself.
Do you think anyone feels bad for us because (cue the violins) our two biggest games were on the road?
Just so I'm clear you're fine making excuses about our road schedule but noting that Ole Miss lost a star player to a gruesome injury on what would've likely been the winning play of the game is self-defeatism. Clearly you've got it figured out.
Just so I'm clear you're fine making excuses about our road schedule but noting that Ole Miss lost a star player to a gruesome injury on what would've likely been the winning play of the game is self-defeatism. Clearly you've got it figured out.
This was a good overall MSU team talent-wise, but certainly not as talented as "we've ever been" when you look at every position except for quarterback. In fact, this team had some serious holes, especially in the secondary.
I'd describe it as a good team with good senior leadership and a great quarterback.
I'd describe it as a good team with good senior leadership and a great quarterback.
No, man. I am asking that you be consistent. You just made that up, I did not post that. I said that the results are the results. But if you want to make excuses, well they are like ********, everybody got one.
We are 6-2 in the SEC, they are 5-3. Forget them. We had the better season and we will be rewarded by our bowl selection.
We are 6-2 in the SEC, they are 5-3. Forget them. We had the better season and we will be rewarded by our bowl selection.
So Arkansas is better than Ole Miss, Ole Miss is better than MSU, and thus Arkansas is better than... Wait what?
A party line is toed and not towed.
Unless off course you're Shepherd Smith's driver hauling his "party lines" of china white around.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but I think our front 7 on D is very talented. I could see all three of our staring LBs playing in the NFL with McKinney starting, and I think we'll have a couple DL play in the league (PSmith, Eulls, CJones, RBrown/PJones).
I'm sorry but I'm just not understanding your sudden downplay of a team that was
ranked #1 for 5 weeks this season. Let me correct you at least twice.
I did not say we were better by transitive property. No one with enough sense to log in to a message board would argue that. I said if you think they are "head and shoulders" above us because of a home win (and that is the only criteria you have), then why aren't you arguing Arkansas is "head and shoulders" above them? There is about 2 players' worth of difference between us and UM and they had the edge on defense. The rest comes from home field advantage. That's it.
Parity is evident in our league and you're blind if you don't see it. No **** Bama and Auburn have been winning the west, but Ole Miss beat Bama this year. LSU beat AU last year (and we and UGA were within a minute of doing so). A&M beat Bama in 2012, LSU in 2011. My point is there is enough parity and talent in the West right now that anyone not named Saban that can win 6 SEC games is to be congratulated.
ranked #1 for 5 weeks this season. Let me correct you at least twice.
I did not say we were better by transitive property. No one with enough sense to log in to a message board would argue that. I said if you think they are "head and shoulders" above us because of a home win (and that is the only criteria you have), then why aren't you arguing Arkansas is "head and shoulders" above them? There is about 2 players' worth of difference between us and UM and they had the edge on defense. The rest comes from home field advantage. That's it.
Parity is evident in our league and you're blind if you don't see it. No **** Bama and Auburn have been winning the west, but Ole Miss beat Bama this year. LSU beat AU last year (and we and UGA were within a minute of doing so). A&M beat Bama in 2012, LSU in 2011. My point is there is enough parity and talent in the West right now that anyone not named Saban that can win 6 SEC games is to be congratulated.