Croom being fired isn't on the radar....

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anywhere except MSU message boards and fans...
I'm hearing nothing regionally or nationally. Just saying I don't think it's going to happen.
Did anyone hear Scott van Pelt tear into Auburn fans that want to get rid of Tubberville?
 

Todd4State

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That's possibly because no one cares about MSU and they probably don't think the Ole Miss Bulldogs will fire Nutt after one year.

That said, I don't think that we will fire Croom. I guess the thinking is that we have to give him a shot to prove that he can turn the offense over to someone competent.
 

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memphisbluesagain said:
anywhere except MSU message boards and fans...
I'm hearing nothing regionally or nationally. Just saying I don't think it's going to happen.
Did anyone hear Scott van Pelt tear into Auburn fans that want to get rid of Tubberville?

Aren't saying anything about it b/c we have been playing a lot of close games considering the shape of the program when Houston Nutt took over.. Hell, we even beat Florida.
 

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The comparatively poor petit-bourgeoisie masses dog-cuss the millionaire coaches who can't produce, while the millionaire brie and spirits northeastern elites serve up ready-made excuses for poor performances.

Mr. Byrne, Frank Deford be damned; sir, it is time.
 

DerHntr

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croom's name has been on the hotseat listing for a while now. yeah it went down after the vandy and and mtsu wins (wow..did i just type that?) but you can't deny that he has been in the upper portion of that list during a good part of this season.
 

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I think that's probably true. You're going to have to give him a shot to make offensive changes if you want to avoid media backlash. I personally don't look at it this way, but the media will look at it in a similar light to what we did to Cutcliffe if you get rid of him this year. Regardless of what you've seen or what the stats say, they see a nice guy coach that made a big stride for your program last year. If you don't give him another year after this one to prove that he isn't making progress, you'll take heat from the media.

And personally, I don't think any of the heat will be race related, or at least a very minimal amount will be. Most of it will be due to you firing a guy that the media likes, and a guy that they will think wasn't given enough time. Basically, the media is filled with a bunch of Rick Clevelands. They want nice guys to be given a really long leash.

Edited to add: I think the problem may come if and when Byrne tells Croom he needs to make changes. I could see Croom pulling a Cutcliffe, telling Byrne no. Then, the question will be whether Byrne still lets him have another year, or will he give him the axe?
 

8dog

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that's the last thing that should be a concern. The media and public always get over everything. They got over the Cut deal. Did the backlash hurt Orgeron's recruiting? No.

They'll whine and moan for a month and then they'll move on.
 

maroonmania

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as the first black coach in the SEC, especially nationally, and well respected so the media is certainly not going to egg on the "Croom must go" talk. In fact, the national media probably wants him to succeed more than a lot of MSU fans. I think to avoid a lot of bad publicity for firing the reigning "SEC coach of the year" at a place most of the national media consider extremely difficult to have success, then we will have to give him one more year. I'm thinking we will indeed give him another year to fix some things just because we are more patient than most AND its going to be very expensive to make a change given the new contract that went into place last summer. On top of that, if he could get some of the on-the-field stuff straightened out (offense and real-time game decisions), Croom definitely has a lot of intangibles and off-field qualities that make him a good head coach for us.
 

Todd4State

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but your hope that it will cause us to hire someone that is Orgeronesque is highly unlikely. (Reading between the lines)

And no, we won't hire Nick Saban either, but we will likely attract a good coach.

Besides, I'd rather put up with a week of Croom backlash than another year of 3-9.
 

Shmuley

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for a shot at $2 mill a year following black bear. Hell, a f'n town drunk could get to 20 wins faster than Croom did. How easy would it be to look better than this incompetent sack of renderings.
 

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to go get his golf cart tuned up and ready to go for another season of crappy offense and questionable coaching decisions. We'll have a shiny new OC for next year, and that's it.

Unfortunately, it won't be until the end of the 2009 season when the Slytanic departs Starkville.
 

RebelBruiser

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Todd4State said:
but your hope that it will cause us to hire someone that is Orgeronesque is highly unlikely. (Reading between the lines)

And no, we won't hire Nick Saban either, but we will likely attract a good coach.

Besides, I'd rather put up with a week of Croom backlash than another year of 3-9.

Yea I wouldn't mind you hiring an Orgeron, but I don't think media backlash would have much of an effect on the hire. I still don't think it would be a week of backlash. You'd hear about it constantly from certain media outlets. We're still hearing about Cutcliffe on occasion.

I definitely think you'd be better off firing him than keeping him, but you'd still hear about it from the media, because they'd take the Rick Cleveland approach.
 

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Any media backlash would be temporary and wouldn't really have any effect anyway. No coach would move us down on his radar because we fired a coach that won only 1/3 of his games over 5 years and had only 1 winning season. Any trouble y'all had hiring a decent coach when you fired Cutcliffe was because coaches were apparently hesitant to go to a place where the most successful coach in 35 years had just been fired after his only losing season, not because of the media.</p>
 

MSUCostanza

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you don't hear anything nationally is because nobody gives a **** about us.

PS - Croom isn't going anywhere. Time for ya'll to just accept it and move on. There is no way in hell we'll fire a guy that won a bowl game one year ago, no matter how ****** this year turns out. All bets are off in 2009. He'll be allowed (forced) to make staff changes after this year. If things don't improve, he'll be out the door in November '09, and we won't hear a peep from the media because he'll have put up 5 ****** years out of 6.
 

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You are correct. Croom will be back. As MSU fans we need to accept this fact and hope for a great recruiting class. Despite all of the questionable in-game decisions, personal moves, and lack of an offense in year 5, it's still 80% about having talent. It's just at MSU everything is magnified because we usually can't overcome any mistakes. I like the way this class looks if we can close it out strong.
 

patdog

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However, I do think he will win that game, either this weekend or vs. Arkansas.