Cubs minor league player caught with 21 lbs of meth

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What Would Jesus Do? In addition, if you're going to be a drug mule, it's probably a good idea to make sure all of your vehicle lights are working, drive within the speed limit and drive safely without drifting between lanes.
 

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Yeah, and some want it all legalized so there will not be a problem with people selling drugs going to prison. Less crowding in prison and a lot happier people. No problem.
 

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What Would Jesus Do? In addition, if you're going to be a drug mule, it's probably a good idea to make sure all of your vehicle lights are working, drive within the speed limit and drive safely without drifting between lanes.

If you’re dumb enough to be a drug mule you aren’t smart enough to make sure if those things. Stupid gonna stupid
 
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Legalize EVERYTHING. Use the tax revenue to fund addiction treatment and "temperance" education. Benefits?
  • Consistency of potency (safer)
  • Allow police to focus on property crimes
  • Prison relief
  • Freedom.
  • We've proven how well prohibition works.
Edit - to go ahead and defend my point. Something should only be illegal if it harms a 3rd party. If it harms a user? So what. (Cigs, booze, fatty foods...)

Make it illegal to drive under influence or transact with minors.

Your morality shouldn't make the laws under which I love.
 
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Legalize EVERYTHING. Use the tax revenue to fund addiction treatment and "temperance" education. Benefits?
  • Consistency of potency (safer)
  • Allow police to focus on property crimes
  • Prison relief
  • Freedom.
  • We've proven how well prohibition works.
Edit - to go ahead and defend my point. Something should only be illegal if it harms a 3rd party. If it harms a user? So what. (Cigs, booze, fatty foods...)

Make it illegal to drive under influence or transact with minors.

Your morality shouldn't make the laws under which I love.
Serious question. When you say legalize everything, do you mean I can get anything without a prescription? If that’s not what you mean, where are you drawing the line?
 
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Legalize EVERYTHING. Use the tax revenue to fund addiction treatment and "temperance" education. Benefits?
  • Consistency of potency (safer)
  • Allow police to focus on property crimes
  • Prison relief
  • Freedom.
  • We've proven how well prohibition works.
Edit - to go ahead and defend my point. Something should only be illegal if it harms a 3rd party. If it harms a user? So what. (Cigs, booze, fatty foods...)

Make it illegal to drive under influence or transact with minors.

Your morality shouldn't make the laws under which I love.


Check with Oregon in a couple of years and see how that's working.
 

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Serious question. When you say legalize everything, do you mean I can get anything without a prescription? If that’s not what you mean, where are you drawing the line?
If it doesn't hurt a 3rd party, it's legal. I draw the line between a user and a 3rd party they harm.

Frankly - card driving past my house with music that covers my TV affect me more than a dude next door using cocaine.

Allow behavior to determine who loses the right. Beat your wife while drunk? Jail.

Basically allow it until you harm another. Then? Rehab and community service.
 

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Check with Oregon in a couple of years and see how that's working.

Under the Oregon law it is still illegal to traffic in controlled substances. There's no legal market for cocaine and meth. Can't go get an 8-ball at the coke store. People are confusing this with legal cannabis, where you can go to the weed store and buy a joint or an ounce.

It just makes simple possession of narcotics "legal" so you don't have people caught with 0.5 grams of cocaine becoming unemployable, lifelong felons for possessing a small amount of an illicit substance that they chose to use.

Alcohol and drug abuse should be treated as a public health issue rather than a criminal one. European countries have been doing this successfully for decades. Prohibition doesn't work and only creates dangerous black markets whether it's booze, guns or drugs.
 
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Under the Oregon law it is still illegal to traffic in controlled substances. There's no legal market for cocaine and meth. Can't go get an 8-ball at the coke store. People are confusing this with legal cannabis, where you can go to the weed store and buy a joint or an ounce.

It just makes simple possession of narcotics "legal" so you don't have people caught with 0.5 grams of cocaine becoming unemployable, lifelong felons for possessing a small amount of an illicit substance that they chose to use.

Alcohol and drug abuse should be treated as a public health issue rather than a criminal one. European countries have been doing this successfully for decades. Prohibition doesn't work and only creates dangerous black markets whether it's booze, guns or drugs.


I understand its just decriminalization of drugs like Meth and Heroin and that it's still against the law. The problem is that it's an invitation to be worry free about doing dangerous drugs that are incredibly addictive with no real penalties.

Talk to a Healthcare worker or a social worker and see what they think since they deal with it on a daily basis.
 

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I understand its just decriminalization of drugs like Meth and Heroin and that it's still against the law. The problem is that it's an invitation to be worry free about doing dangerous drugs that are incredibly addictive with no real penalties.

Talk to a Healthcare worker or a social worker and see what they think since they deal with it on a daily basis.

You say this as if all healthcare workers and social workers feel the same way about drug decriminalization/legalization. They don't. There are countless varying opinions on this from healthcare workers, social workers, doctors, lawmakers, addiction specialists, message board posters, and sports fans.
 
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Serious question. When you say legalize everything, do you mean I can get anything without a prescription? If that’s not what you mean, where are you drawing the line?
I think an adult should be able to buy any upper downer or whatever in between that they want legally. It’s not my business how healthy someone is. I don’t try to stop people from eating Big Macs and super size French fries
 

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Under the Oregon law it is still illegal to traffic in controlled substances. There's no legal market for cocaine and meth. Can't go get an 8-ball at the coke store. People are confusing this with legal cannabis, where you can go to the weed store and buy a joint or an ounce.

It just makes simple possession of narcotics "legal" so you don't have people caught with 0.5 grams of cocaine becoming unemployable, lifelong felons for possessing a small amount of an illicit substance that they chose to use.

Alcohol and drug abuse should be treated as a public health issue rather than a criminal one. European countries have been doing this successfully for decades. Prohibition doesn't work and only creates dangerous black markets whether it's booze, guns or drugs.

How do you expect Drug addicts to pay for these legal narcotics? This notion that addicts are just waiting to go to rehab is a farce. Rehab has a roughly 15% success rate, overcoming addiction takes alot more than sending someone to rehab.
That isn't even taking into account the damage done to the addicts family and friends, there's always a 3rd party affected by it, their children have a much higher chance of becoming addicts.
 
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How do you expect Drug addicts to pay for these legal narcotics? This notion that addicts are just waiting to go to rehab is a farce. Rehab has a roughly 15% success rate, overcoming addiction takes alot more than sending someone to rehab.
That isn't even taking into account the damage done to the addicts family and friends, there's always a 3rd party affected by it, their children have a much higher chance of becoming addicts.
Sounds like you are trying to legislate your morals onto me, Bill
 
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You say this as if all healthcare workers and social workers feel the same way about drug decriminalization/legalization. They don't. There are countless varying opinions on this from healthcare workers, social workers, doctors, lawmakers, addiction specialists, message board posters, and sports fans.

Everybody I've ever worked with has never thought it's a good idea to decriminalize/legalize heroin or meth.
 

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Legalize EVERYTHING. Use the tax revenue to fund addiction treatment and "temperance" education. Benefits?
  • Consistency of potency (safer)
  • Allow police to focus on property crimes
  • Prison relief
  • Freedom.
  • We've proven how well prohibition works.
Edit - to go ahead and defend my point. Something should only be illegal if it harms a 3rd party. If it harms a user? So what. (Cigs, booze, fatty foods...)

Make it illegal to drive under influence or transact with minors.

Your morality shouldn't make the laws under which I love.

In addition...

* Contract companies to produce the drugs. No more drugs laced with fentanyl and other crap.

* Distribute the drugs through government run "drug stores", like some states do alcohol.

* Use profits after expenses to provide real rehab for people who want to be clean. Not the court ordered ******** rehab, but rehab in a real facility.

* Unauthorized sale or manufacture of drugs is strictly prohibited and punishable by death. A low rung dealer who sells to support his habit may be spared with a short prison term and rehab provided they are willing to roll on those above them in the supply chain. No exceptions for everyone else.

You want to get rid of the cartels/gangs, their dealers/distributors and all that comes with it? You steal their customers and kill their employees. In other words, make doing business in the US an extremely risky, low profit venture.

It's way past time to move on from the "just say no" and "war on drugs" ******** because it doesn't work. People are going to do drugs regardless. Let's at least do what we can to get the criminal element out of it.
 
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In addition...

* Contract companies to produce the drugs. No more drugs laced with fentanyl and other crap.

* Distribute the drugs through government run "drug stores", like some states do alcohol.

* Use profits after expenses to provide real rehab for people who want to be clean. Not the court ordered ******** rehab, but rehab in a real facility.

* Unauthorized sale or manufacture of drugs is strictly prohibited and punishable by death. A low rung dealer who sells to support his habit may be spared with a short prison term and rehab provided they are willing to roll on those above them in the supply chain. No exceptions for everyone else.

You want to get rid of the cartels/gangs, their dealers/distributors and all that comes with it? You steal their customers and kill their employees. In other words, make doing business in the US an extremely risky, low profit venture.

It's way past time to move on from the "just say no" and "war on drugs" ******** because it doesn't work. People are going to do drugs regardless. Let's at least do what we can to get the criminal element out of it.

Because legalizing narcotics would end well. There has to be a line somewhere. Again, rehab succeeds at a 15% clip, it’s not because the rehab isn’t good enough, it’s because an addict has to want to quit, and quit forever.
How did it turn out when millions of people became addicted to pain pills? That’s with a Drs prescription, magnify that by a 100 if narcotics are legalized.
 
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Because legalizing narcotics would end well. There has to be a line somewhere. Again, rehab succeeds at a 15% clip, it’s not because the rehab isn’t good enough, it’s because an addict has to want to quit, and quit forever.
How did it turn out when millions of people became addicted to pain pills? That’s with a Drs prescription, magnify that by a 100 if narcotics are legalized.

The point is that people are going to do drugs, legal or not. This would for the most part remove the criminal element out of it and provide REAL rehab opportunities for people who want it. What we have been doing doesn't work. It's past time to go a different direction.
 

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Yeah, and some want it all legalized so there will not be a problem with people selling drugs going to prison. Less crowding in prison and a lot happier people. No problem.
This is, of course, a big plus that it will be less crowded in prisons, but the problem of drug abuse remains, and I would say that in the USA it is a VERY serious problem that needs to be dealt with as now because OUR children are already suffering from the influence of drugs. If you believe the experts from Papersowl who shared their essay examples on drug abuse topic, then check this content, to be short:
There is a major concern about teenage drug use today. Within the ages 15 through 24, fifty percent of deaths (from homicides, accidents, suicides) involve drugs. The two common reasons why teens use drugs are anxiety and depression. Factors like peer pressure, desire to escape, curiosity, emotional struggles, and stress may also lead to the consumption of drugs or alcohol. Teens are more likely to abuse drugs than adults because the part of their brain used for judgment and decision making is yet to fully develop. Therefore, they lack the mental capacity to truly understand the consequences of drugs. As a result of this carelessness, teenagers face a series of problems such as brain damage, delayed puberty, addiction, emotional and physical problems. For example, Marijuana is the substance most widely used by adolescents, after alcohol. Studies show that thirty percent of those who use Marijuana have some level of Marijuana use disorder. Drugs have been abused for thousands of years and their effects are that long. The extraction of active ingredients from psychoactive drugs first occurred in the 19th century.
More statistics can be found here: https://americanaddictioncenters.org/rehab-guide/addiction-statistics
 
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This is, of course, a big plus that it will be less crowded in prisons, but the problem of drug abuse remains, and I would say that in the USA it is a VERY serious problem that needs to be dealt with as now because OUR children are already suffering from the influence of drugs. If you believe the experts who shared their essay examples on Papersowl, then:
There is a major concern about teenage drug use today. Within the ages 15 through 24, fifty percent of deaths (from homicides, accidents, suicides) involve drugs. The two common reasons why teens use drugs are anxiety and depression. Factors like peer pressure, desire to escape, curiosity, emotional struggles, and stress may also lead to the consumption of drugs or alcohol. Teens are more likely to abuse drugs than adults because the part of their brain used for judgment and decision making is yet to fully develop. Therefore, they lack the mental capacity to truly understand the consequences of drugs. As a result of this carelessness, teenagers face a series of problems such as brain damage, delayed puberty, addiction, emotional and physical problems. For example, Marijuana is the substance most widely used by adolescents, after alcohol. Studies show that thirty percent of those who use Marijuana have some level of Marijuana use disorder. Drugs have been abused for thousands of years and their effects are that long. The extraction of active ingredients from psychoactive drugs first occurred in the 19th century.
I agree with you. My post was sarcastic. I don't think it will lesson the prison population at all. At first perhaps but, after a few years and people abusing drugs out of work needing more drugs will turn to crime to get it. Plus, the points you made above coupled with the inability to think clearly will add to many other illegal acts that will lead incarceration as well.
 
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This is, of course, a big plus that it will be less crowded in prisons, but the problem of drug abuse remains, and I would say that in the USA it is a VERY serious problem that needs to be dealt with as now because OUR children are already suffering from the influence of drugs. If you believe the experts who shared their essay examples on Papersowl, then:
There is a major concern about teenage drug use today. Within the ages 15 through 24, fifty percent of deaths (from homicides, accidents, suicides) involve drugs. The two common reasons why teens use drugs are anxiety and depression. Factors like peer pressure, desire to escape, curiosity, emotional struggles, and stress may also lead to the consumption of drugs or alcohol. Teens are more likely to abuse drugs than adults because the part of their brain used for judgment and decision making is yet to fully develop. Therefore, they lack the mental capacity to truly understand the consequences of drugs. As a result of this carelessness, teenagers face a series of problems such as brain damage, delayed puberty, addiction, emotional and physical problems. For example, Marijuana is the substance most widely used by adolescents, after alcohol. Studies show that thirty percent of those who use Marijuana have some level of Marijuana use disorder. Drugs have been abused for thousands of years and their effects are that long. The extraction of active ingredients from psychoactive drugs first occurred in the 19th century.
Papersowl for your source? Why not use an actual legit medical journal?

Prohibition does nothing but throws away people’s lives. We’ve had a war on drugs for fifty years now and have locked up more people than any other country and drug use continues to increase. At some point you have to look at other solutions. 50% of the world’s economy is lost to illicit activities.

Tax it. Fix it.
 
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Papersowl for your source? Why not use an actual legit medical journal?

Prohibition does nothing but throws away people’s lives. We’ve had a war on drugs for fifty years now and have locked up more people than any other country and drug use continues to increase. At some point you have to look at other solutions. 50% of the world’s economy is lost to illicit activities.

Tax it. Fix it.
I agree with you, you are completely right that the war has been waged for many years, and we have put a lot of people in prisons, I do not argue with that, since this is a full-fledged fact. In other countries, they learned to solve this problem, for example, in Iceland where there are very few prisoners. I advise you to read this article https://theconversation.com/i-delib...y-didnt-even-lock-the-cell-doors-there-105257.
 
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Alcohol is the real gateway drug. For a lot of people weed can be an exit ramp.

I have a friend who’s a combat veteran from Iraq/Afghanistan wars. He lost one of his legs from the knee down and eyesight in one eye because of an IED. He also has severe PTSD and intense night terrors.

The VA has put him on all kinds of prescriptions and the results are mixed. Cannabis lets him sleep without night terrors, BUT considering it’s still Schedule I, the VA won’t allow it to be a part of his treatment and if he pops positive he can lose some benefits.

Yet another example of stupid propaganda from 70 years ago affecting the treatment regimen of someone who made a great sacrifice for our country.
 

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I have a friend who’s a combat veteran from Iraq/Afghanistan wars. He lost one of his legs from the knee down and eyesight in one eye because of an IED. He also has severe PTSD and intense night terrors.

The VA has put him on all kinds of prescriptions and the results are mixed. Cannabis lets him sleep without night terrors, BUT considering it’s still Schedule I, the VA won’t allow it to be a part of his treatment and if he pops positive he can lose some benefits.

Yet another example of stupid propaganda affecting the treatment regimen of someone who made a great sacrifice for our country.
Got a couple of buddies that use it for PTSD and swear by it. Chronic pain as well. It’s way past time to go full legal in my mind.
 
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Legalize EVERYTHING. Use the tax revenue to fund addiction treatment and "temperance" education. Benefits?
  • Consistency of potency (safer)
  • Allow police to focus on property crimes
  • Prison relief
  • Freedom.
  • We've proven how well prohibition works.
Edit - to go ahead and defend my point. Something should only be illegal if it harms a 3rd party. If it harms a user? So what. (Cigs, booze, fatty foods...)

Make it illegal to drive under influence or transact with minors.

Your morality shouldn't make the laws under which I love.
Why would driving drunk be illegal by that thought process? I’d say a large majority of legally drunk drivers get to their destination perfectly fine without harming anyone.