Current Baseball Stats(some perspective)

[engie]

So, the NCAA site has finally updated their team statistics.

Out of 296 D1 baseball teams, MSU overall rank:
Batting Average - 7th
Walks - 18th
HBP - 11th
Hits - 2nd
On Base % - 10th
Slugging - 32nd
2B - 30th
2B/Gm - 95th
3B - 14th
3B/Gm - 43rd
Homeruns - 55th
Homers/Gm - 87th
Runs - 10th
Runs/gm - 27th
Sac ****s - 59th
Sac Flies - 56th
Stolen Bases - 37th
Stolen Bases/Gm - 76th

ERA - 13th
Hits Allowed/9ip - 3rd
K/BB ratio - 44th
K/9ip - 12th
Walks/9ip - 113th
WHIP - 13th

Double Plays - 1st
Double Plays/Game - 2nd
Fielding Percentage - 50th

From Warren Nolan Streaks and Statistics:
Win Streak - Longest of the year(extremely likely to stand with everyone in conference play now)
Wins - 1st(tied with Ole Miss)
Runs/gm allowed - 12th
Scoring Margin - 11th
Win Percentage - 19th

RPI - 21st(5th SEC)
SOS - 55th

Boyd ISR - 16th(5th SEC)

 

[Will James]

What's your point

ETS: Why do we need perspective? We know what we have. We know our areas that need improvement. It's just a matter of Cohen and our players getting it done.

 

[skb124]

We're just a bad, bad baseball team. No way around it. That's what I've heard.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

Would like to get that walk total down. Amazing that our WHIP is 13th in the nation giving up that many walks.

 

[Will James]

We're just a bad, bad baseball team. No way around it. That's what I've heard.

Yeah because people have said that*

We're a good team. We have good stats. Does that make playing Frost at 3rd good now? Does that make playing Ammo on the weekends alright? No. We discuss how to make our team even better to reach our goal of hosting, which is a reasonable goal. You and Quoaras (sp) just stick your head in the dirt.

 

[Todd4State]

Our home run stats

Should be a little bit higher with a healthy Wes Rea and the fact that we had two stolen from us by outfielders and one stolen from Adam Frazier last night by an umpire.

 

[skb124]

What are you talking about?

 

[57stratdawg]

Bingo. It's a big area of improvement. Take the 7th inning of the Friday night game against LSU:

Lead off Walk
Error on Frost (1st and 2nd, no outs)
Wild pitch
Walk (loaded no outs)
Wild pitch (1 run scores)
Strike out
Pop out
Ground out

That can't happen. If we throw one less wild pitch, or issue one less walk, or don't make that error that inning we probably win that game.

 

[Will James]

Should be a little bit higher with a healthy Wes Rea and the fact that we had two stolen from us by outfielders and one stolen from Adam Frazier last night by an umpire.

Our fans residing in along the OF wall need a lesson from Jeffrey Maier. They were pathetic on Porter's ball.

 

[engie]

Added RPI and ISR because we've got to get into the top 4 in the SEC if we are going to have a chance to host. They've let 5 host before, but not with the "political correctness" of the past couple of years.

Things that jumped out at me...
- We're actually a worse doubles hitting team than homerun hitting team. That surprised me -- especially with our pretty good slugging percentage. These should improve with Rea back in the lineup. However, we are vastly improved in every offensive category coming from last year, which is not really surprising -- although I don't think anyone saw us being "this good" offensively.

- Our pitchers have been walking too many guys. That's our only statistical weakness as a staff... If we can get that straightened out, we'll probably be the best statistical staff in the country.

- It's not a listed statistic -- but if it was, it would show that we also K at the plate far too often. That's prettymuch a dead horse at this point.

- Our fielding percentage should be much worse. Our official scorer is very "generous" generally with giving hits on things that should be ruled errors. So, that's another aspect that needs improvement(and another dead horse).

Overall, we are very good on the mound -- and very good at the plate. We get the fielding figured out and we will be the team we all thought we were -- and could actually be better given the offensive overachievement thusfar...

 

[engie]

ETS: Why do we need perspective?

You need perspective for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is you wanting to make an all-american closer a starter. That's why.

Let's not try to act like our "baseball fanbase" has much perspective or savvy. This is easy to see in 80% of the in-game posts on here -- and certainly almost all the postgame bitching during defeats...

 

[Will James]

You need perspective for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is you wanting to make an all-american closer a starter. That's why.

Only in Evan and Woody can't get it together. It's not like we don't have others that can close. If one of those 2 gets it together then its all for naught. But, he's our best option if they can't.

What's a bigger dropoff, Pollo/Cox as a SEC SP or Bracewell as closer. Not even close. If we want to be a top 4 SEC team and host we need 3 SOLID efforts out of our weekend starters. Holder/Ross/pen/Bracewell gives me confidence.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

Bingo. It's a big area of improvement. Take the 7th inning of the Friday night game against LSU:

Lead off Walk
Error on Frost (1st and 2nd, no outs)
Wild pitch
Walk (loaded no outs)
Wild pitch (1 run scores)
Strike out
Pop out
Ground out

That can't happen. If we throw one less wild pitch, or issue one less walk, or don't make that error that inning we probably win that game.

My favorite part of that sequence was hearing Jim Ellis say, "Coming in to pitch is Chad Girodo. Girodo has yet to throw a wild pitch this year." What's the next thing I hear Jim say you ask? "There's a wild pitch from Girodo that will tie the game."

 

[Will James]

We'll have to wait a couple weeks and then compare the SEC-only stats to see where we stand against the same competition. We've improved overall as a team from last year thanks to the offense and being relatively injury free. The biggest reason is clearly Renfroe.

 

[engie]

Only in Evan and Woody can't get it together. It's not like we don't have others that can close.

Yet, Holder has shown -- pretty conclusively -- that he isn't very good in any role OTHER than as closer. You are wanting to extrapolate the energy he brings to a VERY specific role(when he's failed in other roles pretty consistently that are only MINIMALLY different from being a closer -- pitching tied or behind late in games BARELY different than the closer role) into a starting role?

 

[Will James]

Yet, Holder has shown -- pretty conclusively -- that he isn't very good in any role OTHER than as closer. You are wanting to extrapolate the energy he brings to a VERY specific role(when he's failed in other roles pretty consistently that are only MINIMALLY different from being a closer -- pitching tied or behind late in games BARELY different than the closer role) into a starting role?

He wasn't even our closer for most of last year. He became our full time closer starting with the Alabama series, our EIGHTH conference series. Yet, before that, he still didn't give up any runs outside of the closer role.

Honestly just because he gave up runs in like 2 instances outside of closing situations, (and has given up runs in closing situations as well this year) doesn't mean he's uncomfortable there. There is nothing conclusive about two outings Engie, we come back to small sample sizes again. Last season he was pretty damn good outside and in the closer role, with outside being the majority of the season.

 

[Coach34]

However, we are vastly improved in every offensive category coming from last year, which is not really surprising -- although I don't think anyone saw us being "this good" offensively.
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This cant be- I was told all last Spring that we lacked talent offensively and we would never hit. Cohen was just lucky because of our pitching

 

[chew1095]

There is no doubt we have talent and are better in most facets of the game compared to last year.

With that said, here are the stats that concern me: in our last 8 games, we are 4-4 and have committed 13 errors and hit 18 batters. In the previous 16 games, we were 16-0 and we committed 15 errors and hit 15 batters. Mental mistakes and not necessarily our opponent's ability have cost us wins so far this year, multiple times.

Need to get right between the ears. Not all of our opponents are as forgiving as Alcorn State.

 

[engie]

We'll have to wait a couple weeks and then compare the SEC-only stats to see where we stand against the same competition. We've improved overall as a team from last year thanks to the offense and being relatively injury free. The biggest reason is clearly Renfroe.

We don't have to "wait" on conference anything. Why would we? We play a STRONGER conference schedule than ANY other team in the SEC. So, essentially, "waiting" is just looking to skew stats in a negative fashion. We've played a large enough sample size right now for the parity to be leveled out to a very large extent. If we were playing that game, I should have removed all the midmajors that are ranked higher than us in different metrics -- because 90% of them will end up not being legit.

We have the #54 SOS in the country right now and many of those with spots above us are littered with northern teams and midmajors trying to pad their RPIs. We were in the mid 30s prior to the weak game against Alcorn last night -- and we will finish in the top 10. We'll easily be in the top 25 SOS by next Wednesday.

 

[engie]

we come back to small sample sizes again.

Which you have used CONSTANTLY while making your own arguments -- only dismissing them when others use them to disagree with you.

How about this? Leave this thread alone(or any of my threads -- in general -- unless you have something relevant to the topic at hand to add). It wasn't set up for you to push your dubmass Holder agenda. Do that in your own ridiculous threads...

It's absolutely ridiculous to think you can turn a collegiate closer into a starter at the bat of an eye in midseason -- especially a TWO pitch closer. Unheard of. And if you've heard of it, it probably crashed and burned. That's something that faltering ******** teams try -- not teams with the #11 ERA IN THE COUNTRY -- with an All-American closer. That transition requires changing absolutely EVERYTHING about how they prepare -- from pitchcounts in bullpens, to long toss routines, to spending alot more time from the wind up, etc. It takes AT LEAST a month to get in starter shape from a closer role... But you can't read about that reality on Boyd's World...

 

[Will James]

So what are you trying to say Engie. Whats the premise of your thread?

Looking at conference only stats will show us where we stand a lot better than looking at the non-con schedule. Closer teams, more parity, having to go on the road, etc.

 

[engie]

This cant be- I was told all last Spring that we lacked talent offensively and we would never hit. Cohen was just lucky because of our pitching

Exactly.

I've got exact numbers predictions in the archives here -- I think I was the only one that actually took it to that level.

We'll revisit that at midseason(since it's easy to multiply those numbers by 2). I was certainly questioned and ridiculed about it at the time...but even as such, these numbers have been much better than my predictions thusfar...

 

[engie]

So what are you trying to say Engie. Whats the premise of your thread?

Looking at conference only stats will show us where we stand a lot better than looking at the non-con schedule. Closer teams, more parity, having to go on the road, etc.

The premise is simple -- to show just how good of team we are in relation to the rest of the country. How do SEC only stats do that? Simple -- they don't. That's like saying aTm DIDN'T have the best offense in the country last year -- because statistically they didn't. Why not? Oh yeah -- they played Alabama, LSU, and Florida.

SEC only stats only tell how good we are in relation to the rest of the SEC -- which essentially does not tell us **** anymore with the expansion to 14 and the missing of 3 teams -- in this case, what is likely the 12th, 13th, and 14th best teams in the conference.

 

[Will James]

Is anyone disputing that we arent a top 25 team? I don't think so. But if you think there isn't cause for worry after our UCA LSU and Alcorn trio, just because we smoked some weaklings early, then I dunno what to say.

 

[skb124]

Yes. People have said we are not a very good team.