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djpc

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Agree. There’s a reason the mRNA platform has never been used before. Pharma used the pandemic and EUAs to push through an experimental new platform that they’ve been itching to release for awhile now. It would’ve never passed the current FDA approval process.

Now did the benefits outweigh the risks? For a the most at risk populations, it probably did. For everyone else, I don’t think so.

My concern is now that the cat is out of the bag, they will continue to push the mRNA platform despite its flaws. This administration doesn’t seem interested in slowing that down yet.
I'm not even sure the efficacy of the vaccine has been fully quantified to the point we can say it had net efficacy for anyone. Given the apparent risk so many people were subjected to I truly hope that in the end we'll see that it at least did some people some good. We were all told it would prevent us from getting sick with the virus. When that didn't happen we were told it would slow the spread. When that didn't happen we were told it would moderate the severity. Given the range of severity of the infection in people, I really don't know if we can say that. I think Kennedy will direct an investigation into that as part of establishing its actual safety profile, and all the while the media and political left will stand on the rooftops and yell "Anti-Vaxer quack!".

I can't comment specifically on anything regarding the future of mRNA medical therapies since I haven't heard anything about what they think it's future is. Weinstein in that little video clip mentioned what seems to be the crux of the problem--that right now there's no reliable way to target it, so I don't think we'll see many uses akin to the pseudo-vaccines where every cell it reaches holds up a sign to the immune system that says, "kill me!". But maybe someday (as Weinstein mentioned) they could develop a method of delivery that could reliably target something like cancer cells or senescent cells. More promising maybe is finding a use where the mRNA can "teach" cells to do something therapeutic like make a beneficial protein they for some reason have lost the ability to make due to age or illness or bad luck in the genetic lottery. But that's all just speculation on my part, I have no background in biology or medicine to speak of. The key to the future is the checks and balances in the system having a spine and resisting the incentive of Pharma $ to cut corners in the approval process, even when the whole world is hyperventilating over some new pathogen or situation.
 

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An interesting message of the day:

Extreme Panic
Extreme panic is setting in. The Democrats and Trump haters have to know that nothing is working for them right now.

Trying to tie the President to Epstein? Failed, and now Bill Clinton is in jeopardy as the House Oversight Committee intends to put him and others under oath about the subject.

Hammering Trump for trying to clean up dangerous Washington, DC? Enormous loser. The city is poorly run, an embarrassment.

Trying to undermine the Trump/Putin meeting on Ukraine? Almost incredible because of the massive death over there.

If President Trump gets some relief for the Ukrainians, he could win the Nobel Peace Prize. If he doesn't win it, the entire Nobel apparatus collapses.

So there is palpable desperation in the air. The anti-Trump cadres are facing a wipeout.

From which they might not recover.
 

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An interesting message of the day:

Extreme Panic
Extreme panic is setting in. The Democrats and Trump haters have to know that nothing is working for them right now.

Trying to tie the President to Epstein? Failed, and now Bill Clinton is in jeopardy as the House Oversight Committee intends to put him and others under oath about the subject.

Hammering Trump for trying to clean up dangerous Washington, DC? Enormous loser. The city is poorly run, an embarrassment.

Trying to undermine the Trump/Putin meeting on Ukraine? Almost incredible because of the massive death over there.

If President Trump gets some relief for the Ukrainians, he could win the Nobel Peace Prize. If he doesn't win it, the entire Nobel apparatus collapses.

So there is palpable desperation in the air. The anti-Trump cadres are facing a wipeout.

From which they might not recover.
Where did the message come from?
 

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I'm not even sure the efficacy of the vaccine has been fully quantified to the point we can say it had net efficacy for anyone. Given the apparent risk so many people were subjected to I truly hope that in the end we'll see that it at least did some people some good. We were all told it would prevent us from getting sick with the virus. When that didn't happen we were told it would slow the spread. When that didn't happen we were told it would moderate the severity. Given the range of severity of the infection in people, I really don't know if we can say that. I think Kennedy will direct an investigation into that as part of establishing its actual safety profile, and all the while the media and political left will stand on the rooftops and yell "Anti-Vaxer quack!".

I can't comment specifically on anything regarding the future of mRNA medical therapies since I haven't heard anything about what they think it's future is. Weinstein in that little video clip mentioned what seems to be the crux of the problem--that right now there's no reliable way to target it, so I don't think we'll see many uses akin to the pseudo-vaccines where every cell it reaches holds up a sign to the immune system that says, "kill me!". But maybe someday (as Weinstein mentioned) they could develop a method of delivery that could reliably target something like cancer cells or senescent cells. More promising maybe is finding a use where the mRNA can "teach" cells to do something therapeutic like make a beneficial protein they for some reason have lost the ability to make due to age or illness or bad luck in the genetic lottery. But that's all just speculation on my part, I have no background in biology or medicine to speak of. The key to the future is the checks and balances in the system having a spine and resisting the incentive of Pharma $ to cut corners in the approval process, even when the whole world is hyperventilating over some new pathogen or situation.
I think it did have some benefit for those in high risk situations like LTC facilities. For some, that was their first exposure. I did notice a difference in severity of outcomes once the vaccine was rolled out in our facilities. Now was that due to the vaccine or a mutated strain? Won’t know.

I agree it failed to accomplish anything we were promised and they should definitely pump the breaks on the mRNA platform. That’s why I rail on OWS every time this subject is brought up.
 

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An interesting message of the day:

Extreme Panic
Extreme panic is setting in. The Democrats and Trump haters have to know that nothing is working for them right now.

Trying to tie the President to Epstein? Failed, and now Bill Clinton is in jeopardy as the House Oversight Committee intends to put him and others under oath about the subject.

Hammering Trump for trying to clean up dangerous Washington, DC? Enormous loser. The city is poorly run, an embarrassment.

Trying to undermine the Trump/Putin meeting on Ukraine? Almost incredible because of the massive death over there.

If President Trump gets some relief for the Ukrainians, he could win the Nobel Peace Prize. If he doesn't win it, the entire Nobel apparatus collapses.

So there is palpable desperation in the air. The anti-Trump cadres are facing a wipeout.

From which they might not recover.
If he ends the conflict in Ukraine he deserves the peace prize. There’s no sign of anything yet. Props on the meeting though.

Israeli military operations in Gaza are ongoing.

Epstein… LOL. Ghislaine moved to a cushy new setup. Still no arrests.
 

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Trump’s approval rating is poor right now and a few recent surveys (Gallup and Pew) have it looking terrible.

Considering he hasn’t done much offensive, this seems a function of policy decisions particularly tariffs.

Panic hasn’t set in among GOP electeds because that isn’t allowed. But it’s coming because the numbers stink.

Also Dems are super unpopular right now too. But as we’ve learned in the past, that doesn’t much matter for the out party in a midterm.
 

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I think it did have some benefit for those in high risk situations like LTC facilities. For some, that was their first exposure. I did notice a difference in severity of outcomes once the vaccine was rolled out in our facilities. Now was that due to the vaccine or a mutated strain? Won’t know.

I agree it failed to accomplish anything we were promised and they should definitely pump the breaks on the mRNA platform. That’s why I rail on OWS every time this subject is brought up.
You probably have much more insight than I do, I only have an anecdotal observation that everyone I knew or was closely associated to someone I know (i.e., parents of friends) whose death was attributed to the virus was vaccinated, 88 or older, and living in LTC facilities of various types. Three of the 5 had terminal diseases anyway (Parkinson's, dementia, and some neurodegenerative disorder). The other two I don't know the state of their health at the time they contracted the virus. I'm glad there's at least a possibility it might have blunted the symptoms for some. I never caught the virus until November of last year. It was an infection unlike any other I've ever had, but not even as bad as a cold, just weird. I had the Moderna mRNA shots back in early 2021, partly from arm twisting by my employer, partly because I was making a big life change soon after where the two people I was going to spend the most time around were my octogenarian father and an aunt who has a terminal lung disease, and I was too trusting of those in positions of trust (fool me once ...). I wish now I hadn't gotten the vaccine, but that's water under the bridge. I just mind my health as best I can and hope there's no Trojan Horse in me. It would be nice if all the risk came from administration errors in the injection process, I'd sleep slightly easier. That's why I want the whole unvarnished truth out there and why I've followed some of the dissident voices for several years now. In hindsight it's certainly arguable Trump should have been more skeptical of the voices that told him, "We can do this!"
 

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Joetato and WordSalad kept shoveling large amounts of cash and military equipment into a war started on their watch. Even Putin admits it wouldn't have happened if Trump was in office. So, Trump is trying to end this conflict and get the US taxpayer paid back. You make fun of him for it. Good work, Stoned!
Putin said the war wouldn’t have started if Trump was President. Where did he hear that? Putin said Trump won the 2020 election by a lot. Where did he hear that? Why in the Hell would you believe one word from Putin?
 

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Haven’t seen one complaint from Squicky about Obama pushing the death jab on their kids.

Like Trump, Obama didn’t mandate it. But by their standard, they should have posted about Obama at least 200 times by now. But that is not how hypocrites work.



I wonder which Old Folks home 5k Icky will enter for Labor Day?
 
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Haven’t seen one complaint from Squicky about Obama pushing the death jab on their kids.

Like Trump, Obama didn’t mandate it. But by their standard, they should have posted about Obama at least 200 times by now. But that is not how hypocrites work.



I wonder which Old Folks home 5k Icky will enter for Labor Day?


Similar to your booster boy. Can’t believe he made people think it was safe and effective.

Your hero got more shots than the people you criticize on a daily basis.
 

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Damn it, Joe didn’t mention OWS or Epstein.


Post all the childish nicknames you want. You were challenged to race and you’re too scared.

You give yourself imaginary internet titles. I win them in the real world.

$1k anytime you want.
Ha, shocking, Icky outs himself as a liar again. After months of saying that I challenged Icky, icky admits the lie - he challenged me. Gee whiz, a he/she who denied being Icky as he/she cycled through 10 different names is a liar.

Now, I did challenge you to climb the highest point of 5 states. That is true. You chose not to accept the challenge. The excuse was lame - Utah is “too far” when Utah was not even on the list. What about Oregon, Wyoming, Alaska, Idaho, or Montana made your vax damaged brain think you needed to go to Utah?

As I said, why don’t you go challenge the old folks home again or take on 6 year olds in basketball. Guaranteed victories.

And your bet of $1k is for children. Did I ever tell you I bought NVDA in late February 2020? I just don’t bet fraudsters with anger issues.

Baxk to ignore.
 
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Damn it, Joe didn’t mention OWS or Epstein.



Ha, shocking, Icky outs himself as a liar again. After months of saying that I challenged Icky, icky admits the lie - he challenged me. Gee whiz, a he/she who denied being Icky as he/she cycled through 10 different names is a liar.

Now, I did challenge you to climb the highest point of 5 states. That is true. You chose not to accept the challenge. The excuse was lame - Utah is “too far” when Utah was not even on the list. What about Utah, Wyoming, Alaska, Idaho, or Montana made your vax damaged brain think you needed to go to Utah?

As I said, why don’t you go challenge the old folks home again or take on 6 year olds in basketball. Guaranteed victories.

And your bet of $1k is for children. Did I ever tell you I bought NVDA in late February 2020? I just don’t bet fraudsters with anger issues.

Baxk to ignore.

Oof. He’s on meltdown mode.

You said my heart was going to explode and started mocking my running ability. I told you to put up or shut up

Yes. I directly challenged you to race me for $1k. You swiftly declined and have now started this mountain climbing bs to justify your backing down. I find it pretty funny. I train daily but I can’t walk up a hill?

First it was the weather. Then it was your age. Now $1k is not enough. Let’s do $5k then.

Keep talking TJ. $5k any time you want.
 
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Putin said the war wouldn’t have started if Trump was President. Where did he hear that? Putin said Trump won the 2020 election by a lot. Where did he hear that? Why in the Hell would you believe one word from Putin?
You want to start discussing credibility? Maybe we should talk your belief in the Russian Collusion fake out invented by your party. Might want to sit this one out.
 

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Trump’s approval rating is poor right now and a few recent surveys (Gallup and Pew) have it looking terrible.

Considering he hasn’t done much offensive, this seems a function of policy decisions particularly tariffs.

Panic hasn’t set in among GOP electeds because that isn’t allowed. But it’s coming because the numbers stink.

Also Dems are super unpopular right now too. But as we’ve learned in the past, that doesn’t much matter for the out party in a midterm.
Ya, I find it a bit early to accurately gauge much here. There is quite a bit playing out that could impact before the midterms. Obviously, the out of power party traditionally has the upper hand. I think I learned that from a loud mouth poster here that cost me a painful C note several years ago;)
 

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