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rillaman

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“Weather” and “climate” are global. “Heat islands” are acutely linked to high-density areas with lots of concrete and asphalt. While humans obviously have a high impact on “heat islands” (we literally create them), our impact on global weather and climate is minimal in comparison.

Completely agree. We spend more time focusing on global temperatures, instead of bringing solutions to vulnerable areas.
 
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I think it makes sense to look at areas where humans have increased massively, to see if humans have an impact on weather and climate.

We are still learning. You don’t seem to believe in climate change, hence the quotes around climate scientists, yet you feel confident that climate change is more dramatic the more north you go?

Maine hasn’t seen the same localized effects of “destructive man made environmental overhaul” because Maine hasn’t seen the human population growth necessary to see massive man made environmental overhaul. Places like Colorado and Arizona are better to study, because they have seen an influx of humans, and therefore more man made environmental overhaul. Maine is lightly populated by humans. If Maine adds a couple million people, it will get warmer too.
Primarily I'm distinguishing between climactic change, which is a continental or global phenomena, and localized environmental affects of human occupation. I don't think there's any question humans can affect the local weather where they have drastically altered the environment.

The quotes are there because I was referring to the insanely politicized types that want to restructure the entire world according to their utopian vision.

I don't know one way or another whether there is much human input to climate change. But I am somewhat familiar with the theories, which do say the greatest affects will occur at higher latitudes. I would agree that if two million people pile into Maine and build a large city, then that city will be warmer than surrounding more rural areas. But I don't think it'll warm the whole state. Chicago hasn't warmed Champaign all that much.
 

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Completely agree. We spend more time focusing on global temperatures, instead of bringing solutions to vulnerable areas.
You mean like the Polar caps that have been measured as expanding at about 100,000,000 TONS of ice !
 

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Primarily I'm distinguishing between climactic change, which is a continental or global phenomena, and localized environmental affects of human occupation. I don't think there's any question humans can affect the local weather where they have drastically altered the environment.

The quotes are there because I was referring to the insanely politicized types that want to restructure the entire world according to their utopian vision.

I don't know one way or another whether there is much human input to climate change. But I am somewhat familiar with the theories, which do say the greatest affects will occur at higher latitudes. I would agree that if two million people pile into Maine and build a large city, then that city will be warmer than surrounding more rural areas. But I don't think it'll warm the whole state. Chicago hasn't warmed Champaign all that much.

I’ve never really referenced “climate change”, there are just a few people that talk about dinosaurs and cow farts whenever I bring up water issues and poor development decisions in environmentally vulnerable areas.

I’m just pointing out that we do have an impact on the environment, and we shouldn’t spike the football about floods and fires.
 

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I’ve never really referenced “climate change”, there are just a few people that talk about dinosaurs and cow farts whenever I bring up water issues and poor development decisions in environmentally vulnerable areas.

I’m just pointing out that we do have an impact on the environment, and we shouldn’t spike the football about floods and fires.
Agree with the last sentence. This localized human impact discussion, when it started yesterday, before either of us got involved, began with a response to someone on X responding to another someone on X engaging in the mandatory climate hysteria response to some weather phenomenon. In the intervening discussion I mistook you for weighing in on the side of the climate crisis narrative.
 
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I’ve never really referenced “climate change”, there are just a few people that talk about dinosaurs and cow farts whenever I bring up water issues and poor development decisions in environmentally vulnerable areas.

I’m just pointing out that we do have an impact on the environment, and we shouldn’t spike the football about floods and fires.
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“We do have an impact on the environment”

No sh*t! Who has ever argued anything to the contrary?
He waffles on the fence so much he doesn’t know what he’s said. I posted an article about proper forestry and said conservation works. He came game with climate change/raging fire BS, because he wants to point fingers and be the arbiter of truth, despite being schooled enough that he subsequently moved the goalposts.

More massive fires because the radical enviros won out over those who practice conservationism and proper forestry. The GOP and people here in particular have never said we don’t make an impact. We aren’t interested in scams. Rillaman has become strawman and that can’t be blamed on the climate.


Your timing with this stuff is odd. Spiking the football again while huge fires are burning.

I think the # of acres burned is more significant than the # of fires.

All of Colorado’s largest fires have occurred in the last 25 years. Sure seems like we have more massive fires than we used to. Just as we have more hot days than we used to.


Denver 90 degree days during 10 year span from 1924-1933 - 211
Denver 90 degree days during 10 year span from 2014-2023 - 527

Look, both parties are lost when it comes to climate change. Dems just want to focus on oil. The GOP wants people to believe we have limited to no impact.

How many people has Denver added in the last 100 years? How many buildings, how much concrete? How many natural areas have been replaced with roads and housing? How much fresh water is being used?

Those are questions that scientists, who are not beholden to either party, have about the change in weather/climate.
 
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He waffles on the fence so much he doesn’t know what he’s said. I posted an article about proper forestry and said conservation works. He came game with climate change/raging fire BS, because he wants to point fingers and be the arbiter of truth, despite being schooled enough that he subsequently moved the goalposts.

More massive fires because the radical enviros won out over those who practice conservationism and proper forestry. The GOP and people here in particular have never said we don’t make an impact. We aren’t interested in scams. Rillaman has become strawman and that can’t be blamed on the climate.
Next up: “I just wanted to point out that we can’t live without water”
 

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It’s called competitive cheer. Very expensive traveling all over the States. My DD did it.
My oldest wanted to switch from gymnastics (she had just taken 1st overall in XL silver at the State meet while sweeping all 4 events- yes, a dad-brag) to competitive cheer. Sounded reasonable at first. Then came the costs and travel. No friggin way. All over the country on my dime- plus the gym membership was multiple thousands per year. F that.
 
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Good. And I’m going to get the trans flag I saw displayed in my daughter’s high school library taken down. How can you teach biology while displaying a flag that flies in the face of scientific fact? Not to mention that it’s a political statement.
 

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Someone once said that we can’t hide dead bodies. No, but we can sure misclassify them to lower murder numbers. I love how we trust those who lie to us. Some people want to be right so desperately that they ignore facts.
 

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He waffles on the fence so much he doesn’t know what he’s said. I posted an article about proper forestry and said conservation works. He came game with climate change/raging fire BS, because he wants to point fingers and be the arbiter of truth, despite being schooled enough that he subsequently moved the goalposts.

More massive fires because the radical enviros won out over those who practice conservationism and proper forestry. The GOP and people here in particular have never said we don’t make an impact. We aren’t interested in scams. Rillaman has become strawman and that can’t be blamed on the climate.

I didn’t come with any climate change BS. I shared an article that showed that we are having more intense/larger fires while you are spiking the football. Just good to be aware that it’s actually a pretty significant problem.
 

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Your religion is pulling verses out of your anal cavity to create a concrete definition of what Jesus meant is what is laughable.
I am not pulling verses from anywhere. I posted a link to a non denominational evangelical website. Obviously you think some goof that posts on the internet has more credibility. Good for you!

Here is a Catholic perspective.

Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 7 The Seventh Commandment VI. Love For The Poor https://share.google/IjPa5nWB0brIloaVC
 
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CBO: GOP bill favors top 10 percent earners, hurts the poor https://share.google/mI22JcDvvYTW7uSJ3

Take from the poor and give to the rich.
Moron! Yes, the rich get rich by taking the wealth of the poor! Make it make sense Jeff! You’ve become a commie fool who thinks the value of the pie is static rather than something that is growing. Yeah, I’m going to get rich by taking Icky’s lunch Division 3 NIL money! Nope, I bought NVDA and ABBV

As for the CBO, yet another Democrat group - just look at their campaign contributions.
 

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My oldest wanted to switch from gymnastics (she had just taken 1st overall in XL silver at the State meet while sweeping all 4 events- yes, a dad-brag) to competitive cheer. Sounded reasonable at first. Then came the costs and travel. No friggin way. All over the country on my dime- plus the gym membership was multiple thousands per year. F that.
Same with Competitive Dance !

Join the local Dance Academy with monthly dues !

"Competitions" at places like Va. Beach and Orlando. (From Conn !)

BOTH Granddaughters, I bought them jogging sneaks and gave them the "put one foot in front of another, repeat" mantra.

For the nearby Park !
 
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Moron! Yes, the rich get rich by taking the wealth of the poor! Make it make sense Jeff! You’ve become a commie fool who thinks the value of the pie is static rather than something that is growing. Yeah, I’m going to get rich by taking Icky’s lunch Division 3 NIL money! Nope, I bought NVDA and ABBV

As for the CBO, yet another Democrat group - just look at their campaign contributions.

Whatever benefits the poor will receive from the tax cuts will be less than the benefits being cut from Medicaid and SNAP.
 

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I am not pulling verses from anywhere. I posted a link to a non denominational evangelical website. Obviously you think some goof that posts on the internet has more credibility. Good for you!

Here is a Catholic perspective.

Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 7 The Seventh Commandment VI. Love For The Poor https://share.google/IjPa5nWB0brIloaVC
The Bible is a big book. Smart people aren’t fooled by the socialist mischaracterization of Christ. The story of Ananius and Sapphira in Acts Chapter 5 is in direct contrast to that belief. The Catholic Church essentially ex-communicated Galileo for pushing the idea of heliocentrism. The Church claimed the universe was geocentric based on a lone verse, Psalm 104:5 which reads “He has set the Earth upon its foundations”.

Many “scholars” taught and still teach the Earth was created in 6 literal days, as opposed to understanding the author of Genesis had fewer words available than those of the modern times. Yom has multiple meanings based upon the lack of words. Yom (day) can equal a 24 hour period or it can mean a very long period of time as in the day of the dinosaurs. Using the correct interpretation of “day” here means the Earth was created over 6 very long periods and frankly those very 6 days describe well how the Earth was created and how we got here in an oversimplified, non-scientific way. Scholars didn’t have to misinterpret the Creation story, but they did it anyway for centuries even after discoveries of creatures appearing to be well older than the 6 literal day time script interpretation of the Bible and evidence of happenings on Earth well before any life existed on this planet. Science is not pro or anti-Christian, but “scholars” have discredited themselves time and time again.

The Bible is a roadmap to an individual relationship with the Creator. You can believe what you want, but what you aren’t going to do here is use your religion to burden other people. Your burden is yours, not mine.