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Uncoach

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Even pre-internet politicians were caught lying. Why is it, just like the journos Berenson is chastising in my previous post, politicians can do one thing and only a few years later say the exact opposite? Are people not tired of the yoyo?

 

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Even pre-internet politicians were caught lying. Why is it, just like the journos Berenson is chastising in my previous post, politicians can do one thing and only a few years later say the exact opposite? Are people not tired of the yoyo?


One of the very best at talking out of both sides of his mouth!
 

ILisBest

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Interesting take on freedom of speech:

People believe what they want to believe. The left in America fervently puts forth that their “freedom of speech” is threatened by President Trump. No amount of debate will ever dissuade them because liberals derive comfort from that point of view.

But what about the truth of the matter? Is that to be considered? Well, it will be in this essay.

First up, the leftist media have been trampling freedom of expression ever since Donald Trump began gathering political power. I know this because, as the bestselling nonfiction author in the world, I have to promote my books to alert folks they are in the marketplace.

Before the Trump era, that was not a problem; I had access to the networks. No longer, and it’s not only me.

Jimmy Kimmel would not book non-liberal guests, nor would Colbert. When Jimmy Fallon recently spoke with Greg Gutfeld, it made headlines because the situation was so rare. The morning network programs exclude almost all conservatives or traditional people. The View totally blackballs non liberals. As does Jane Pauley on the CBS Sunday Morning program.

Conservative commentator Mark Levin has written a series of bestsellers. Have you seen him on the networks? Fox News has some very successful commentators. Any sign of them on The Today Show? Good Morning America? 60 Minutes?

So, the most powerful media companies in the world have totally shut down “speech” that opposes liberalism.

And that’s fine with many on the left. Nothing to see or hear here. Business as usual. Liberal opinion is on display 24/7.

Conservative thoughts? Sorry, we’re closed.

This exclusion is a colossal violation of free speech. Dangerous to the nation. Putin stuff. However, you will not hear this truth spoken on the network talk programs, which are now loudly bemoaning Mr. Kimmel’s exit.

How about some honesty and fairness for a change, network people? Not holding my breath.

-BO
 
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CptParlay

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That is not what happened. Nexstar wanted to buy additional local stations that would require FCC approval. The FCC chair told them you better take care of Kimmel. That is why it happened.

I am not a Tucker Carlson fan. Just pointing out that people on both sides can see government censorship for what it is.
At best, this was just the final straw. Do you know that Kimmel's audience had fallen by half this year? Just like Colbert it was only a matter of time before they were cancelled because their schtick is appealing to an ever smaller number of people and the legacy broadcast networks can no longer afford it.

By the way, does what you call censorship bother you, or does it just bother you when Republicans do it?
 

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Mortgages applications flying !

60 % of applications are to refinance existing Biden Inflationary deals.

Highest rate of apps since 2022 !

Make sure you are actually saving monies ! Fees, etc. can eat into your monthly supposed savings.
 
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JeffT819

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At best, this was just the final straw. Do you know that Kimmel's audience had fallen by half this year? Just like Colbert it was only a matter of time before they were cancelled because their schtick is appealing to an ever smaller number of people and the legacy broadcast networks can no longer afford it.

By the way, does what you call censorship bother you, or does it just bother you when Republicans do it?
What bothers me is governmental censorship which MAGA apparently embraces.

Trump is threatening to pull broadcast licenses because he doesn't like what they say.
 
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stoneaxe27

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Welp, Jeff and Stone, the real reason Kimmel is gone - he has no audience except for a handful of deranged leftists!


Network TV and TV generally have lost viewers the last decade. It is a dying means of communication along with newspapers. Kimmel has 10X the number of viewers on line streaming than he does on TV. When was the last time you saw a younger person watching TV? Exactly.
 
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tjfleck6

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What bothers me is governmental censorship which MAGA apparently embraces.

Trump is threatening to pull broadcast licenses because he doesn't like what they say.
What didn't bother you in the least was the Biden administration censoring Facebook, Twitter, etc. It didn't bother you when Kamala called for President Trump to be censored. It didn't bother you when X and Facebook banned the President of the United States. You certainly were not bothered by the Senate majority Leader (Schumer) calling for censorship of Tucker and Fox.

Sit this one out Jeff and spare us your fake outrage. The private sector removed a big-time loser in Jimmy Kimmel (RACIST, misogynist, and a big time liar). Hell, he couldn't even get you to watch his non-stop Republican hate.
 

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Network TV and TV generally have lost viewers the last decade. It is a dying means of communication along with newspapers. Kimmel has 10X the number of viewers on line streaming than he does on TV. When was the last time you saw a younger person watching TV? Exactly.

Actually, for a great product, people watch TV buddy or the stream. Believe me, ratings HAVE been adjusted to factor in streamers. Advertisers are worried about eyeballs, not the medium in which it is transmitted.

Kimmel sucks, end of game. One, he has no talent, Two, he immediately told half the country to F-O. Three, cult members like Jeff won't even watch his hate.
 

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What bothers me is governmental censorship which MAGA apparently embraces.

Trump is threatening to pull broadcast licenses because he doesn't like what they say.
Well, I'm not MAGA, if you can wrap your head around that. And you refuse to address the double standard of your opposition only when Republicans do it. I can list dozens of times Democrats enacted this kind of censorship, starting with COVID, and yet your TDS stills continues to sputter on about Trump -- AND ONLY ABOUT TRUMP. I'm not supporting this at all, but I am noting that I and a lot of other people are utterly fed up with the double standards. You see, I read Alinsky's book. The game is up.

Do you see the problem yet?
 

Uncoach

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What bothers me is governmental censorship which MAGA apparently embraces.

Trump is threatening to pull broadcast licenses because he doesn't like what they say.
Trump can threaten it because they are open airwave broadcasts. I’ve already pointed this out to you. When can we expect you to stop being so disingenuous with your postings? It is an actual thing the FCC can give significant fines and/or terminate broadcasting licenses for willful lies. Therefore ABC allowed their representative to deliberately lie about Robinson and who he was, despite all evidence to the contrary. Further, you are accusing Trump of censorship, despite the evidence of Kimmel’s numbers being way down, which is a money loser for a corporation that has a responsibility to its shareholders to make as much profit as possible. Despite Sinclair/Nextstar demanding change from ABC, you just can’t help yourself to blame Trump. Trump did nothing but bluster.

It’s the same as the giant tariffs he insisted upon when gaining office a second time. You were so concerned about tariffs and yet they did not amount to being as big as Trump initially laid out and they haven’t hurt the economy as your ilk claimed they would. You have had years to follow Trump negotiating tactics and yet remain clueless. FCC Chair blew some wind about Kimmel as to what the government could do, which they did not. ABC made a money decision, not a government censorship decision.

If you’ve ever read the twitter files, what the Biden Admin did was actual censorship. FaceBook is on record saying whoever the administration wanted banned was banned. That wasn’t just a threat to free speech, they actually shut down free speech. Free speech is a distraction here. Kimmel wasn’t fired for free speech. He got fired because his audience significantly shrunk, he willfully lied through his teeth and created a situation that put his employer in an awkward position. It wasn’t a particularly difficult decision for Disney/ABC.
 

Uncoach

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Well, I'm not MAGA, if you can wrap your head around that. And you refuse to address the double standard of your opposition only when Republicans do it. I can list dozens of times Democrats enacted this kind of censorship, starting with COVID, and yet your TDS stills continues to sputter on about Trump -- AND ONLY ABOUT TRUMP. I'm not supporting this at all, but I am noting that I and a lot of other people are utterly fed up with the double standards. You see, I read Alinsky's book. The game is up.

Do you see the problem yet?
Good mention of Alinsky. That was Obama’s playbook. He’s the liar who really accelerated all of this.
 

ILisBest

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TV is dying around the clock.
Sales of televisions are up in 2025, particularly for smart and connected TVs, which dominate the market. Global smart TV revenue is projected to rise from USD 227.52 billion in 2024 to USD 246.96 billion this year, reflecting a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 12.8% through 2030.
 

JeffT819

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Interesting take on freedom of speech:

People believe what they want to believe. The left in America fervently puts forth that their “freedom of speech” is threatened by President Trump. No amount of debate will ever dissuade them because liberals derive comfort from that point of view.

But what about the truth of the matter? Is that to be considered? Well, it will be in this essay.

First up, the leftist media have been trampling freedom of expression ever since Donald Trump began gathering political power. I know this because, as the bestselling nonfiction author in the world, I have to promote my books to alert folks they are in the marketplace.

Before the Trump era, that was not a problem; I had access to the networks. No longer, and it’s not only me.

Jimmy Kimmel would not book non-liberal guests, nor would Colbert. When Jimmy Fallon recently spoke with Greg Gutfeld, it made headlines because the situation was so rare. The morning network programs exclude almost all conservatives or traditional people. The View totally blackballs non liberals. As does Jane Pauley on the CBS Sunday Morning program.

Conservative commentator Mark Levin has written a series of bestsellers. Have you seen him on the networks? Fox News has some very successful commentators. Any sign of them on The Today Show? Good Morning America? 60 Minutes?

So, the most powerful media companies in the world have totally shut down “speech” that opposes liberalism.

And that’s fine with many on the left. Nothing to see or hear here. Business as usual. Liberal opinion is on display 24/7.

Conservative thoughts? Sorry, we’re closed.

This exclusion is a colossal violation of free speech. Dangerous to the nation. Putin stuff. However, you will not hear this truth spoken on the network talk programs, which are now loudly bemoaning Mr. Kimmel’s exit.

How about some honesty and fairness for a change, network people? Not holding my breath.

-BO
Programs can pick and choose whoever they want on their shows. Ratings will determine if they succeed.

All the examples you give have nothing to do with government influence. Trump is trying to censor the media with threats and bullying. There is a big difference.
 

ILisBest

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Programs can pick and choose whoever they want on their shows. Ratings will determine if they succeed.

All the examples you give have nothing to do with government influence. Trump is trying to censor the media with threats and bullying. There is a big difference.
We can agree here. JK was a failure in ratings, but you blame Trump for his exit. 🤪

Somehow I can't remember you complaining one time through all of the examples of the left minimizing or eliminating the speech of the right. Maybe because you were fine with it?
 

CptParlay

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We can agree here. JK was a failure in ratings, but you blame Trump for his exit. 🤪

Somehow I can't remember you complaining one time through all of the examples of the left minimizing or eliminating the speech of the right. Maybe because you were fine with it?
Basically, yes. It only bothers him when Republicans do it. Enough of the double standards.