Cutler

[Corey90]

15 million guaranteed next year and is being
Benched. Well well! That's surprising.
I am still waiting for the Cutler fans where is the
Plan? Lol

This post was edited on 12/18 6:09 PM by corey90

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

I got to say I really liked Cutler in his last 2 press conferences. He just seemed more humble and communicated with the madia well for once. For the first time I was feeling bad for him.

I hope he can turn things around. He has a great arm but not a leader, has a bad attitude, not willing to be a good communicator and just does not make the right reads at QB.

I hope he can turn things around but as a Bear fan I hope it's with another team.

=====

Does the Tressman/Cutler Era remind anyone of the Abe Gibron/Bobby Douglas Era? Coach Gibron never wanted to give up on Douglas and would never put in a backup QB no matter how bad things got. Douglas, like Cutler had a big gun for an arm but just could not produce wins.

Wassup
This post was edited on 12/18 6:53 PM by Wassup13

 

[SiuCubFan8]

I was wrong blow the whole thing up...Emery down to Jay.

 

[MC63]

Douglass

I forget the year, but sometime after Bobby Doublass retired, he startred going to Bear gaems (he sat in my section -- had worse seats than me.)

He was a great guy -- huge beyond imaginatio. friendly ... laughed with fans ... took teasing well.

He played AAA baseball for a while for the White Sox. I can't imagine trying to catch his fastball.

 

[mchsalumni]

I'll throw out a mea culpable on Cutty. Not sure what's next for the beloved, but it looks grim.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[GMAN81]

Re: Douglass

I will second anything said about Douglass. I saw him at the old Rosemont Horizon at an NCAA regional tournament in 1991 or 92 when Duke Played Cal. Yes he was a big man. I went up to him at halftime of the game and talked to him for about five minutes. Very nice, personable guy. His fastball was clocked at over 90 mph. Problem was, he and no one else knew where it was going...much like his passes in the NFL. I think he was averaging 10 walks a game in those days when he pitched in the Sox' organization. I liked the man but he was a terrible QB in the NFL.

 

[eireog]

I was anticipating this post . Corey for GM !!

 

[eireog]

Re: Douglass

I saw him playing in a softball tournament sometime in the late 80's and the guy could barely walk. It was sad to see because the guy I remembered could run like a deer. The team he played on was a Rich Melman team , pre Lettuce, and also featured another big lefty, Larry Biitner.

This post was edited on 12/19 10:12 AM by eireog

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

I will admit that I was in favor of signing Cutler over bringing McCown back. To a certain extent I still agree with taking him over McCown - certainly not for $54m guaranteed. Hinesight being what it is.

Clearly he is not the answer here. Can you get something for him on the open market - sure. I would take a draft pick or anything at this point and you know there are teams out there that will look to deal - provided the Bears eat most of the money and Cutler re-does his deal.

The bigger issue that is much bigger than Cutler is this organization as a whole. While most of us have slept through this season - and why would we want to watch this three-car pile-up, this organization has become the Jaguars/Raiders all in one.

No direction, no vision for the future, no clue.

If they really want to prove that they are in it to win it, then the best way to do so is to blow it all up. Phillips, Emery, Trestman and his staff all gone. Now its highly likely that Phillips stays as he has made this family a ton of $$$. But his days of having anything to do with the day-to-day football operations are over.

You need a President in charge of football ops. You need a VP/GM who is in charge of player personnel, drafting, free agents, etc. You need a pro personnel director and a director of college scouting. All of which this organization does not have.

Now this seems like a lot - but I give you the model of two organizations that have done it right - Green Bay and Seattle.

Lastly, the Bears have to draft well and do so for a long time. No more quick fix free agents that you hope to catch lightning in a bottle on the tail end of their careers.

I would be willing to stomach a couple of losing seasons for the hope that this is getting built the right way for long term success. It is possible. Plenty of examples of this happening. But in order to do this, tough calls need to be made.

Are the McCaskey's namely George willing to do that?

 

[Corey90]

Thanks erieog

That's exactly what my profession is GM!
Just not in Football.

 

[eireog]

You couldn't possibly be worse than Emery !! This whole thing needs to be blown up. The GM, all the coaches even Ted Phillips should be launched. It's a mess right now . Start over and hopefully be ready to compete in 3 years by rebuilding through the draft .

 

[Oddy]

What this whole Cutler fiasco makes me think about is that dick who is on radio 670 who last year was mocking any caller who dared say the Bears should not give Cutler the money. Also the writers who were deriding the Sox and Cubs and saying what a relief it was to get to write about the Bears. Personally I wondered why they all seemed so high on the Bears this season. I was figuring an outside chance to make the playoffs, but I'm not real surprised by what has happened. If you think about it, all the other front offices of pro teams in Chicago have their stuff together. Baseball is looking up on the north and south sides, the Bulls should get past the first round of the playoffs, and the Blackhawks are a model organization. Then you have the Bears. Totally, totally inept organization.
This post was edited on 12/19 11:34 AM by Oddy

 

[GMAN81]

Good posts Lake City and Oddy. I think the benching of Cutler is a good move, but for different reasons than some of you may think.

How many of you Cutler haters will now step up and say the Bears will win this week end? How many of you who blame Cutler alone (and you know who you are) will be willing to make a bet on a Bears win this week end? I have seen plenty of posts here blaming Cutler alone. Pullenty! There are plenty of you who have said the Bears won't win with Cutler. Wanna bet they can with without him with this team? The Bears play the Lions at home this week end. I am betting they lose...any takers? I thought not.

The benching of Cutler is good because we are going to see further how sorry this team is, (especially the defense) with him or without him. It will expose some of the dumb-assed Chicago fans who blame Cutler alone because it is the easy, lazy thing to do.

So, the Bears are at home. It's a straight-up bet. If the Bears win I will leave the site for a month (which would make some very happy), but if they lose, you leave for a month...any takers?

 

[Oddy]

Oh it's not Cutler alone, not by any means, but the huge contract they gave him does tell me the front office hasn't a clue. Call me a doomsdayer, but I see absolutely nothing to be optimistic about.

 

[GMAN81]

For The Dumb-Assed Cutler Haters

Not meaning you Oddy. You are one of the few with some sense here on this subject. I am talking about the dumb-assed ones who blame Cutler alone. I swear these guys must either go to the fridge when the defense is on the field or they turn the game off altogether.

But here is an article for those people and you know who you are...so do I.

This post was edited on 12/20 1:25 PM by Dr. Mirakle

Cutler Article

 

[SiuCubFan8]

The whole thing is a complete mess.

 

[Corey90]

Re: For The Dumb-Assed Cutler Haters

Dr.
Really I mean really, so your calling me out and all
other Cutler haters because were right and now your still
trying to make excuses. Look we're not
stupid we know the Bears have more problems than
just Cutler. I choose to cut the head off the snake! I
know and have known he would ruin the Bears! Cutler the cancer
needed to go and we need someone the Bears can build
around. I agree with the others that all the morons at the top
that gave Cutler that dumb *** contract also need to go.

Now do I think our rookie QB will win this game? Come on
who in there right mind would take your stupid bet? First I don't like
Jimmy Clausen and don't think he will ever amount to anything
in the NFL. All that being said he can't do any worse than
the loser we had leading the team before. Win or lose
I would rather see how he does. Like I have said 3 games
ago I don't see the Bears winning another game this season.

 

[GMAN81]

Re: For The Dumb-Assed Cutler Haters

Originally posted by corey90:
Dr.
Really I mean really, so your calling me out and all
other Cutler haters because were right and now your still
trying to make excuses. Look we're not
stupid we know the Bears have more problems than
just Cutler. I choose to cut the head off the snake! I
know and have known he would ruin the Bears! Cutler the cancer
needed to go and we need someone the Bears can build
around. I agree with the others that all the morons at the top
that gave Cutler that dumb *** contract also need to go.

Now do I think our rookie QB will win this game? Come on
who in there right mind would take your stupid bet? First I don't like
Jimmy Clausen and don't think he will ever amount to anything
in the NFL. All that being said he can't do any worse than
the loser we had leading the team before. Win or lose
I would rather see how he does. Like I have said 3 games
ago I don't see the Bears winning another game this season.

Corey:

I feel like I can at least have a civil disagreement with you. But it does piss me off when you act like this because I know you're smarter than that.

First, I have never made an excuse for any athlete...especially a professional one. If Cutler has done poorly I have said so. I see that you say you know the Bears have more problems than Cutler. The problem is, you and a few others have never said so till now. They are still out there blaming Cutler alone I am sure. The reason I put the article here is because it shows that Cutler hasn't played as badly as you and some others think. It takes an objective look at his play...which hasn't been stellar by any means but not nearly bad enough to blame him alone. I don't think Cutler has ruined the Bears. The fact is, this isn't a very good team at all with or without him. If these guys are letting him get in their heads shame on them.

The bet is only stupid if anyone is stupid enough to take it and I see you're not. That's good. I am sure no one else will. The point of it was this. I have read over and over that the Bears would be better without Cutler. If that's true then they can win this Sunday. They are at home for the game. So, why not make a bet? However, to say "well Claussen can't do worse" is kind of silly. That is like saying the Bears will lose by 14 instead of 20 points. Explain to me what that means. A loss is a loss.

I said a long time ago the Bears would end up 5-11 and I am sticking with that.

Next subject. Don't you get as tired as I do hearing people say every two years that the Bears need to blow up the team? Jesus Christ when is that going to end? We heard it when Lovie left and many, many times before that. Two years into Trestman and we're hearing it again. For Christ's sake we're using more dynamite on this team than a terrorist. We get new coaches, new Gms, players, etc. and the same crap happens. The bottom line is exactly what MC63 said weeks ago...the ownership is the ultimate problem. I have been saying that all along too.

This post was edited on 12/20 5:46 PM by Dr. Mirakle

 

[Corey90]

Re: For The Dumb-Assed Cutler Haters

Dr. Although I still believe no team will win with Cutler. At least
Consistently. Re read some of my previous posts, I have said the
Bears have more problems than just Cutler. I choose to start with
him. A loss is a loss regardless and if our rookie loses it's expected.
If Cutler was to play I feel we still lose so what's the difference.
I do agree the owners are crap and would be my first choice to get
rid of but face it that's not going to happen. Blow up the whole team?
No just start with the GM, Coach and Cutler work down from there.
Let's face it they are a mess.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

The problem starts with an accountant hiring GMs, IMO. Getting rid of the staff and GM is great but I have zero confidence Ted can hire the right guys.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

Be sure to still keep your Bears Cutler jerseys.

You can easily turn them into retro Kevin Butler jerseys by just placing a "B" over the "C" on the back of the jersey.

Wassup

 

[Corey90]

Wassup13
Laughing my *** off! Pretty damn funny.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

I never had any interest seeing Clausen play QB for the Bears either. He's horrible too.

I'm hoping Clausen looks bad so in the 2nd half we can hopefully see what the new drafted QB from last year can do??

Wassup
This post was edited on 12/21 12:20 PM by Wassup13

 

[Corey90]

Agree Clausen is bad never liked him at ND.
Not sure about David Fales but heck who cares
this season is over anyway might as well see what
he's got.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

All I know is it's the system guys at QB from this year and last looking good in this Trestman offense so far. Could have spent that Cutler $$ on the defense.

Wassup

 

[Corey90]

Wassup

Kinda of funny but the defense played better
than they have in recent weeks. Rookie QB
didn't play that bad in his first start. It's still a
loss but hey we at least got to see someone else
besides you know who. This team has a long way
to go before they will be considered a playoff
contender let's hope the owners don't repeat this
years obliteration next year!

Da Bears

 

[GMAN81]

Originally posted by corey90:
Wassup

Kinda of funny but the defense played better
than they have in recent weeks. Rookie QB
didn't play that bad in his first start. It's still a
loss but hey we at least got to see someone else
besides you know who. This team has a long way
to go before they will be considered a playoff
contender let's hope the owners don't repeat this
years obliteration next year!

Da Bears

I rest my case Corey. If Cutler had played the exact same game as Clausen you would be all over him. You wouldn't have mentioned the defense. Yes Clausen wasn't bad and was the victim of 7 dropped passes. Now he knows what Cutler did all season. You would have blamed thos loss on Cutler.

 

[GMAN81]

Re: For The Dumb-Assed Cutler Haters

Originally posted by corey90:
Dr. Although I still believe no team will win with Cutler. At least
Consistently. Re read some of my previous posts, I have said the
Bears have more problems than just Cutler. I choose to start with
him.

Coery:

You need to re-read your posts, especially the initial ones where you blamed Cutler alone for weeks. You can backpedal now but that's what you wrote then. You and Wassup.

The Bears problems start with Cutler? You have that wrong and I will make my case although it won't do any good with you or Wassup because you just hate the guy.

If the Bears get rid of Cutler now are they a better team? NO, they aren't...we still have the same ****** defense. If the Bears make a few good changes on defense are they a better team? YES they are. It doesn't start with Cutler, it starts with the defense.

I can name you three teams that would be better teams if they had Cutler...teams that were in the playoff hunt coming into this week too. The Kansas City Chiefs, the Philadelphia Eagles and the Buffalo Bills.

The Chiefs have a pretty good defense but offense has really been a problem. Three fields goals was all they got today and no KC WR has caught a TD pass this year. There was a reason SF got rid of Alex Smith. The Eagles' Mark Sanchez sucks although he's better than what Buffalo and KC have. Sanchez was terrible against the Cowboys and Seattle in losses and Philly has lost three in a row and are heading out of the playoffs. As a matter of fact they're out because Dallas is going to win. The reason the Bills are even in the playoff hunt is NOT because of Kyle Orton..it is in spite of him. They have a good defense that has only given up 254 points coming into today. Last week they beat GB and the only TD Buffalo scored was on a punt return. A few trips to the red zone on offense and only FGs.

 

[GMAN81]

Originally posted by Wassup13:

All I know is it's the system guys at QB from this year and last looking good in this Trestman offense so far. Could have spent that Cutler $$ on the defense.

Wassup

This is about as ignorant a post as any I have read in weeks...and that's saying something.

Yeah sure, the defense sucks and guess what??? IT'S CUTLER'S FAULT FOR TAKING ALL THE MONEY! Why don't you just blame George Bush while you're at it. This is like arguing with a 10 year old. Why am I bothering?

I will say to you what I said to Corey...if Cutler had played the exact game today that Clausen did you would be here blaming Cutler.

Your second ridiculous sentence was the same thing you wrote about six weeks ago. After I read that I asked you a question that you never answered so I will ask it again.

You rip the organization for being stupid in spending all that money on Cutler. OK fine, in your opinion the organization was stupid. So, why would the organization take that same money and put it to good use on a defense if they are that stupid to waste it on Cutler? If they are that dumb to sign Cutler what makes you think they would all of a sudden be intelligent in signing defensive players?

Remember now, this was the organization that signed Jared Allen while letting Julius Peppers go. Maybe the Vikings and Packers knew more about those players than the Bears did.

 

[Corey90]

Dr.
I did say Cutler sucked early on and I still believe he is the
Main reason for there demise. That said the team has other
issues and I am not debating that. I will say again I don't care
where Cutler lands whatever team that gets this loser will suck.
He is not a winner and like I said over and over he will never sniff
a Super Bowl. He'll he may never ever get to a playoff game again
in his career.
Certainly we can't expect him to win a playoff game can we?
It's only been 9 yrs with 2 teams and just 1 playoff win.

That's why he makes the big bucks?

Come on you have to admit the Bears are better without
him and his salary.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

DR

They spent a TON of money on the defense in the off season. Willie Young, Ryan Mundy, Jared Allen, Lamarr Houston. And that doesn't include what they dished out to keep Tillman and DJ Williams.

Their is no question that the contract spend on cutler was the wrong call. The question is what do you do now? This is a terrible draft for Quarterbacks - last years draft doesn't look a whole lot better.

And if you look at the list of drek on the free agent market, ugh it makes your skin crawl.

So what do you do.....

If your serious about fixing this mess - then you push down the plunger on the Looney Tunes TNT blaster and blow it all up. Get rid of Jay to whoever you can send him too. With him goes Marshall too.

Get younger, take your lumps and start to build this thing like a regular football organization. Stack as many draft picks as you can, and start to build.

The problem here is that no one in McCaskeyville will likely allow that to happen. I think we need to prepare ourselves for the return of Emery and Cutler. Doesn't make sense to me either but that's what I would expect to see happen a week from tomorrow.

 

[DJOM1]

Gentlemen; in my humble opinion--now there's an oxymoron; Cutler is not the only problem. One need only watch him during a game and watch him tell his receivers how they have missed routes. Cutler sat for one reason...the penny pinching McKaskey's are looking to trade him after the season. They do not care whether they won or lost today--the Stadium was sold out. They do not want Cutler hurt as it would lessen his trade value.

 

[Oddy]

Hey, Claussen didn't play half bad Sunday, maybe Emory will offer him a $100 mil contract.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Clausen had a qb rating exactly the same as Cutler when he played the Lions on Thanksgiving. And he produced less points and less yards - less turnovers too.

Let's not rally around Clausen just yet.

 

[Oddy]

I was being sarcastic Newt, but for a guy who hasn't started an NFL game in four years, and is 1-9 as a starter matching Cutler's numbers says a lot.

 

[Corey90]

DJOM1
Your smarter than that. Cutler is a dog and you know it.
What all the receivers don't know how to run routes? Listen
just because Cutler pushes blame on them doesn't mean
they were the problem. I guess they were the problem every
year with 2 teams? Come on! He has a strong arm I will
Give him that, but he couldn't find an open receiver if they
came up and slapped him in the face. He makes poor choices
over and over just look how many INT he has in his career. This
is nothing new with him. Excuses all excuses!

 

[GMAN81]

Corey:

I was going to start by saying you're smarter than this, but I have to tell you, I am beginning to wonder if you really are.

I don't know how you can sit there with a straight face and say the Bears would be a better team without Cutler at QB. Backup QBs don't win over the long haul...that's why they are backup QBs. Two years from now Cutler will still be in the league and Clausen will most likely be the answer to a trivia question. Sure there have been cases of a backup coming in and doing well, but for the most part it just doesn't happen and it's not something a team can count on.

Let me say again, Cutler is part of the problem, but only a part.

There was a good article written by Rick Morrissey in last Sunday's Sun-Times titled "McCaskeys Rule Land Of The Lost." As I read it I was wondering if I had spoken to Mr. Morrissey lately. He wrote many of the same things I have been saying here about the Bears and the McCaskeys...who are the REAL problem with this team. He talks about the mistakes made by George McCaskey and the hirings he's responsible for. People want Trestman and Emery gone. So do I, but Morrissey goes on to say "if it turns out chairman George McCaskey pulls the plug on both men, it shouldn't be cause for celebration. He hired them, and he'll hire their replacements. And don't be surprised if, once again, the family employs football consultants to give them a list of candidates."

That's it in a nutshell exactly. That was why I was asking Wassup "if the Bears were stupid enough to give Cutler 54M guaranteed what makes him think they will be suddenly intelligent to make the right choices in signing defensive players?" A question I STILL haven't gotten an answer for from him and he won't answer it.

Morrissey also talks about pursuing Harbaugh, something I first said here. David Haugh also has an article in the Sunday Tribune about going after Harbaugh. But the f***ing Bears won't do that. They will let him get away and make a third organization successful. I HATE the Big 10 but I just might start watching some Michigan games if he goes there.

Corey, if the organization blows up the team we will be right back here in two or three years talking about the same friggin things, like, the Bears suck and you will be blaming the next QB.

 

[Corey90]

Dr.
I agree and have always agreed the Bears ownership is
terrible. This is not even in question. The problem with
complaining about the ownership is it does not matter
they are not going anywhere. They own the team! I have never
Said I like Jimmy Clausen. I said I don't
like him. Now I agree there are other problems with the
Bears. Where we differ is you want to support Cutler and
I don't. Show me why I should? What has he done
for me to believe he will ever win anything.
Let's look at his career. Has he won anything of meaning
in 9 years? No. He does win a few games here and there
But nothing consistently. Again 1 playoff win in 9 seasons.
Cutler has a strong arm yes I will give him that, trouble is he
does not make good choices. Look at his TD to INT ratio.
He is a bad leader and his teammates don't believe in him.
You think teams are lining up to sign this hack? Only desperate
Teams that don't realize what they are getting. I will say it again
Cutler will not win anything of meaning in his career.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

So A question....if you get rid of Cutler and bring this team back with a new coach and don't add but for say a few draft picks, do you think they are any better than 5-11?

The problems with this team extend long and far beyond Jay Cutler. He isn't a great quarterback and his post season success is matched by the likes of the great Tony Romo and Matt Ryan. But if anyone thinks that getting rid of Cutler fixes all that ails this franchise then a well-versed football fan that fan is not.

Is there a market for Cutler, sure there is - have you seen some of the quarterback play in this league of late? Provided they could find a way to get him to readjust his salary which he likely would, there is a market in Tennessee, Houston, St. Louis, to name a few.

It all depends on what the organization does. Do they really want to fix this, or band aide it. We will likely know soon.

 

[GMAN81]

Newt:

I came here a few days ago and said Cutler would make Philadelphia, Kansas City and Buffalo better teams and I stand by that. All of those teams were in the playoff hunt going into week 16 too. You can add the ones you named as well. As long as we're doing that look at Cutler's numbers compared to Matthew Stafford's of Detroit. Stafford has thrown for about 400 yards more, but Cutler has a better completion percentage. Cutler has thrown 6 more INTs but has also thrown 9 more TDs. Cutler has an 89.5% rating while Stafford has an 85.4% rating.

In my opinion Cutler is a better QB. So why is Detroit winning and Bears not? One word...DEFENSE. The Bears have given up the most points in the NFL with 429 and Detroit has given up the second least with 252. Only Seattle with 248 given up has surrendered less.