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anon1751035439

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Just when I had a question.

What is the difference between an under-performing athlete losing his scholarship and a student who has an academic scholarship losing his/hers due to grades?
 

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tcreb said:
Just when I had a question.

What is the difference between an under-performing athlete losing his scholarship and a student who has an academic scholarship losing his/hers due to grades?
I think the main problem, at least in the case of Garrett, is that he was told his scholarship wouldn't be renewed right before the season started. I really don't think it's that big of a deal if a ****** player loses their scholarship, but I do think there is a problem if they aren't informed within a reasonable time frame to pursue other options.
 

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In fact, any non-scholarship player should have that luxury. If you walk on at a school and that school does not want to extend a scholarship to you next term, then you should be able to start immediately anywhere else next season whether or not that other school gives you a scholarship.<div>
</div><div>This is where the next big money thing is going to be. If you convince players to drop off the team and a booster steps in to take care of them, there may be nothing the NCAA can do once the student is no longer an athlete.</div>
 

BriantheDawg

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One has tangible results. One doesn't.

You get an F - you lose your scholarship.

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You think you did everything asked of you in hopes of getting some playing time - then a month before Fall practice begins, you are told you're no longer welcome and your scholarship will not be renewed.
 

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Perhaps the guidelines related to pulling athletic scholarships should be aligned with those pertaining to academic scholarships. That might be a step in the right direction.
 

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Like it or not, the coach determines the grade of each player under scholarship. If one is cut the assumption is that he got an F. The timing of the announcement is what matters. And that is what needs to be addressed.
 

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One difference is a student realizes they are failing during the semester. I almost lost my scholarship once because I blew a couple of tests early in the semester. But I knew I was in danger of losing it and what grades I needed to make to keep it. The problem is a coach doesn't have to be upfront & honest with a player during the spring... he can string him along until the last minute. I think if a player gets cut solely for under performing, he should get some kind of notice (in writing so that there is hard evidence) that he's not performing up to par before the spring or fall and that his scholarship may not be renewed the following year. Then he's given the choice to transfer at that time or take a chance at improving & keeping his spot. It's total BS to cut a guy - with no prior notice - a few weeks before fall practice.<div>
</div><div>The player gets hurt for not being worthy of a scholarship, but the coach is who signed him up. The coach recruited him and made the decision he was worthy of a spot on the team. But a year later when the guy is buried at #4 on the depth chart because he's not as talented as the coach thought he was, the player is the only one affected by getting dumped and forced to find a new team at the last minute. The coach is in no way penalized for making the mistake of signing him in the first place (other than wasting a year coaching the guy).</div><div>
</div><div>If a player can't transfer & play immediately, I'd like to see a rule that if you cut a player for under performing - that scholarship can't be given out for a year. If the player has to be penalized a year, then so should the school.</div>
 

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it would be the equivalent of your teacher never giving you a grade on anything you turned in or any test you've taken. That doesn't happen. You have tangible knowledge of where you stand in the classroom. Not so much on the field. It's completely apples and oranges.
 

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At the end of the year. It's a pass/fail system. You either get a new scholarship or you don't. Further, you are given tests throughout the year. If you don't break the 4 deep, you're sort of being put on notice that you might not be doing very well.<div>
</div><div>I agree with the idea above. If a player is cut, not just quit, then they should be able to transfer immediately. However, if we are going to say that a player can't transfer for a year, then the school shouldn't be able to use the scholarship.</div>