Damn - Wardlaw brought some heat with this article...
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to earn respect and Rick may be losing sight of the fact that talent and potential are very important but so are character and work ethic. I think this is where Mullen<div>gets it. He sets the expectations on the front end with guys that they are going to have to earn their spot and it is going to be hell to get where they want to be. I think</div><div>Rick has to kiss a bunch of butt to get these guys in the fold and that just carries over, tough spot.</div>
I just think that with his personality, he put himself in that position to where it's too late to ask for more out of players. If people see you as a pushover for as long as they've known you, then all of a sudden you demand respect, they'll look at you stupid regardless of your status towards them.<div>
</div><div>I really think that if Stansbury had a Mullen approach towards the players, a good bit of them may not like him initially (or ever for that matter), but for how much they would have had to work their asses off, they will play that much harder. I feel confident in that.</div>
</div><div>I really think that if Stansbury had a Mullen approach towards the players, a good bit of them may not like him initially (or ever for that matter), but for how much they would have had to work their asses off, they will play that much harder. I feel confident in that.</div>
If this staff commanded respect and effort the way a staff is supposed to, this wouldn'tbe an issue. The player would play like he is supposed to or he would be gone. It is just as much on the coaches as it is on the players.
pure athletic ability or the ability to make shots. It's the will and drive to usethose physical abilities. Talent is mental as much as physical. That mental attitude can't be coached up if it's not there to begin with. I agree about Mullen and what he does. Basketball is a little different though. You don't have as many guys availavle to take up the slack if sombody won't put forth the effort. I think 66 probably came closer to hitting the nail on the head with that last sentance than any of us.</p>
I could never put the problem quite into words until I read that. He's right, our guys don't seem to care that they are representing Mississippi State. Our football players constantly talk about winning for the fans and the school. They may not actually win as much as the basketball team but they care.
I would almost put money on us being in the NIT this year because this upcoming stretch of games is going to take guts and effort to win even half of them. We have shown neither. These next two games are big for alot of reasons.
I would almost put money on us being in the NIT this year because this upcoming stretch of games is going to take guts and effort to win even half of them. We have shown neither. These next two games are big for alot of reasons.
Uh oh. Dawg Geezer is canceling subscrpiptions as we speak. Surely Wardlaw has an agenda because none of that could possibly be true. How could the players not respect Bury, he's been here 14 years!!
Implosion......
Implosion......
No accountability, either on the part of the staff to the administration, or upon the players to the staff. The reason we will get the same results in year 14 that we have always gotten is that those results are good enough. They're good enough for stansbury, good enough for the players, and good enough for the coastgeezer contingent of the fan base. I'd like to think the end of last year showed that the results are not good enough for a certain starched khaki and penny loafer wearing pretty boy.
I expect more from him. I expected him to be a real senior that was looking to lead. He never has had that Derrick Zimmerman or Timmy Bowers type leadership. He has always seemed more about himself. I thought that would change but it hasn't.
He continues to provides links to this with his postgame interviews that Idiot34 loves to reference. I do not care how stupid a coach's play calling is, YOU RUN THE F'ING PLAY. AND YOU ESPECIALLY DON'T REFUSE TO RUN THE PLAY AND THEN GO TO THE PRESS AND BRAG ABOUT IT.
And, honestly, that is probably my biggest issue with Stansbury. He should bench Bost for that stuff. But, I feel that he has become a ***** to the fans like Idiot34 and others who call for his head every time he tries to discipline (all you need to do is watch how I34 brags about Grant's benching of players yet mocks our "Moultrieknee" suspensions)
He continues to provides links to this with his postgame interviews that Idiot34 loves to reference. I do not care how stupid a coach's play calling is, YOU RUN THE F'ING PLAY. AND YOU ESPECIALLY DON'T REFUSE TO RUN THE PLAY AND THEN GO TO THE PRESS AND BRAG ABOUT IT.
And, honestly, that is probably my biggest issue with Stansbury. He should bench Bost for that stuff. But, I feel that he has become a ***** to the fans like Idiot34 and others who call for his head every time he tries to discipline (all you need to do is watch how I34 brags about Grant's benching of players yet mocks our "Moultrieknee" suspensions)
but I haven't been to a basketball game in 3 years. Not a boycott, I just don't care to go. But I've been to what 18 football games over that stretch or something like that? It's because I appreciate the effort from the football program.
I honestly wish Stans would retire and just chill for a while. If he did that I really believe State fans will get over the past few years and look back on his tenure with fond memories. If he drags this out for another few years I'm afraid that won't be the case.
I honestly wish Stans would retire and just chill for a while. If he did that I really believe State fans will get over the past few years and look back on his tenure with fond memories. If he drags this out for another few years I'm afraid that won't be the case.
They were gone. How many consecutive years did we have where we lost half the team due to attrition? Yet the Bury apologists continued with the excuses and blamed it all on the thugs/pre madonnas. Funny how that works. The Recruiter somehow brings in only the highly rated players that are head cases.
And if they don't like him initially, we wouldn't be signing them on signing day. There's a definite method to this madness. The "formula" Rick uses to recruit and form his team is as much the reason for his failures as it is his successes. Rick takes chances. Rick sacrifices "basketball IQ" for raw talent. He sacrifices "work ethic" for potential. In the rare circumstances he can get both raw talent and have good student-athletes to boot, we can be really, really good. And when the formula doesn't work perfectly, we can be sporadic at best to just just plain bad.
Rick and his methods have started wearing on some. There definitely is another way to operate. And I think a lot of you are ready to go that other path. High basketball IQs, great work ethics, no attitudes and Wardlaw's "yes sir, sir" requirements can all be met. We will be a different team, though. Instead of bringing in talented players hoping they can mature in these other areas, we will be bringing in good student athletes hoping they can develop an edge on the court. We will still bring in talent, it will just be rare. As rare as getting a Stansbury-recruited talented player who has no attitude problems or a "me-first" persona.
Because highly rated players are beating the door down to come to Mississippi and play basketball.
of course they are. the AAU crowd does nothing but create these types. Some of our 'glue' players that we have had through the years (and lack nowadays) were not recruited by hardly anyone.
Go look up Brandon Vincent and others like him
Go look up Brandon Vincent and others like him
It's not an either or choice. Highly talented kids can respect their coaches and play hard. Don't believe me, just ask Calipari. Every kid he brings in has the sole agenda of getting to the NBA, but somehow while they are playing for Cal, they show him the respect he deserves and they play their asses off for both him and their school.
It's not an either/or choice. You do not have to kiss *** and promise the world (and then not back up your promises) in order to recruit talented players. What you do HAVE to do is demand the respect necessary for your station and hold those who are lacking accountable. That's just life.
It's not an either/or choice. You do not have to kiss *** and promise the world (and then not back up your promises) in order to recruit talented players. What you do HAVE to do is demand the respect necessary for your station and hold those who are lacking accountable. That's just life.
Well I want the highly rated "basketball guys" like Cal gets at UK cause those 17ers always win. Last year it was talent. Since we have talent this year "the talent we have are head cases" this year. What will the excuse be next year? How long will people continue to defend Stans? Leadership starts at the top! Ray Charles could see better than some of our basketball fans.
and especially not the leader that we saw in the guys you named. I kept thinking he was just not ready to take on that role when he was an underclassman... But, it never happened. I see him blaming people and whining too much to be the leader we need. He has never gotten into another player the way a leader needs to
So yes, if you have one of the top 3 basketball programs in the country (if not the best) then you don't have to take chances on talented players with baggage. Sorry, I thought that was a no-brainer and didn't have to be spelled out.
And there are exceptions although rare, just as I state, and Hood is definitely an exception.
And there are exceptions although rare, just as I state, and Hood is definitely an exception.
to be honest, I cannot understand why people aren't calling for more out of him. I guarantee you this. If Cal doesn't win a championship at UK in a couple of more years, the top rated recruiting classes won't keep his job.
..if this team makes a deep run in the tournament, this article will suddenly & mysteriously disappear from the internet.
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</div><div>I have to be careful with drawing these type of analogies however since basketball recruiting is much different than football. Since there's not as many athletes and assistant coaches, one could argue that first impressions are even more crucial in basketball. But honestly, at this point... I'd like to see a high level of talent on the floor, but I'd much rather decent talent that will be coached up because the player holds himself accountable. We have a couple of players on the team that I could see fit that mold, but not nearly the amount of players that we need.</div>
</span><div></div><div>The reason I drew the analogy to Mullen is that it's no secret that a lot of players that have played under him weren't necessarily his biggest fan. Even Tebow has gone on record to say that he thought Mullen was weird, but signed with Florida anyway even though he wasn't too sure at first. We've had a few players that Mullen signed and were already here that didn't like Mullen initially (I've talked to a couple) and a few others as well who loved the guy the moment they met him. A lot of the cases for the ones who signed despite their initial thoughts on Mullen either had things to do with some of the other coaching staff or they just really liked State.</div><div>
</div><div>I have to be careful with drawing these type of analogies however since basketball recruiting is much different than football. Since there's not as many athletes and assistant coaches, one could argue that first impressions are even more crucial in basketball. But honestly, at this point... I'd like to see a high level of talent on the floor, but I'd much rather decent talent that will be coached up because the player holds himself accountable. We have a couple of players on the team that I could see fit that mold, but not nearly the amount of players that we need.</div>
Mullen is hardworking coach that demands respect and playing with attitude and passion.
Stansbury is ***** that doesn't understand attitude, toughness, passion, etc.
Their teams show it.
Stansbury is ***** that doesn't understand attitude, toughness, passion, etc.
Their teams show it.
and neither or those places are top 3 basketball schools. Commanding respect does not have to be attained at the loss of bringing in talent. Remind me to never go into business with you if that is your view.
.. all the way back to the Williams days. Dontae Jones and Marcus Bullard weren't excatly stellar student athletes either. And they were known to have a little attitude. It worked then, and that's the formula Rick learned would work at MSU.
And don't worry about going into business with me. I would never go into business with someone who doesn't understand the landscape and environment in which they operate.
And don't worry about going into business with me. I would never go into business with someone who doesn't understand the landscape and environment in which they operate.