Actually, while they didn't blow out HC, they also did not almost lose the game. It was a tough game, but GW clearly won the 2nd half.
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If I was a Montini fan, I'd be concerned about that schedule. The CCL Green is just plain bad this year. And crossovers against Leo and Joe's? Can you say cupcake city?
As the likely no 1 seed in 6a South bracket, LWN will have their hands full to survive that. If they can pull that off, will likely have a shot at Montini.
I sure can argue that Montini's schedule is better than LWN's.
First of all, let me just put it out there that Montini goes undefeated playing LWN's schedule, and they do so in a much more convincing fashion. Bronco would also have no problem with LWN.
MS goes undefeated playing LWN's schedule. Assuming no teacher strike, ESL goes 8-1 or better playing LWN's schedule. Rita goes from being 3-6 in the CCL to at least 6-3 playing LWN's schedule. LWN's conference counterpart B-B will likely finish at 6-3. B-B beat DLS by 6, so I'm going to say that DLS finishes with a similar record playing LWN's schedule. Fenwick at 3-5 is another one of those teams that looks like they are having an off year. But, three of those five losses have come at the hands of Phillips, Loyola and Montini (all three of which are ranked in the DSR this week). How many DSR opponents will LWN play this year? I think the Friars would take LWN's schedule over their schedule in a heartbeat.
If you just look at records, then you are saying that 3-5 Andrew and 3-5 Rita are the same and you look stupid saying that because it shows you don't really know the local high school football scene.
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Can't argue that but that doesn't mean they are not loaded on both sides of the ball.7
not concerned one bit,this team is loaded on both sides of the ball compared to last years team.And one thing I k ow for sure is that when it comes to playoffs Montinis preparation is second to none.
I agree that the crossovers are killers. However...
"That schedule" of Montini's included games against MS and ESL, which Montini won. "That schedule" included games against 3-5 Fenwick and 3-5 Rita and 4-4 DLS. Fenwick has three losses against currently ranked DSR teams. Rita and DLS each have two losses against currently ranked DSR teams. I'd love to see how some of those "plain bad" CCL Green teams like Fenwick and DLS would do in the ESCC or in LWN's conference.
The problem with the schedule is it's front-loaded. Who have they played since early in the year? And forget how DLS, Fenwick, Marmion or STF would fare in the ESCC or SWSR. How would they fare in the CCL White? I'll take 40% (St Laurence & BMac) of the White against any of those 4 teams. How many years can that be said? What does that say for the strength of the CCL Green?
Sure, Montini played ESL and MS in weeks one and two. LWN didn't face anyone like that at any part of the season.
Fenwick and DLS would fare very well in the CCL White. Again, three of Fenwick's losses have been against currently ranked DSR teams and DLS can count two of their losses against such teams. How many other schools (besides Fenwick and Rita) can you name that have or will play against three currently ranked DSR teams?
I'll agree it is a down year for the CCL-G, but not much Montini can do about it. If they played in the CCL-B this year, my guess is 8-1 or 7-2.
It's great that Fenwick and DLS played multiple DSR teams. What's not great are the results. The games were not competitive. Playing tough competition, in and of itself, is not much of an accomplishment.
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Hold-on, Fenwick got Blow out by three team in the DSR not beat. they also lost to St. Ignatius. Their 3 wins came against Bowen, Marmion, and DePaul College prep. How would they do in the ESCC...Losses to Benet, ND, MCC, JCA, Marist, and Naz for sure, CoM and St. Pats is a pickem', and likely wins over St V and Marian.
Wow...that's a strong statement. I'll say this. I like your projected draw in 6A North. It's ironic that in getting bumped up to 6A, Montini now has what looks like a much easier road to the finals than SHG, who benefited from a much easier draw in 5A South the last few years. 6A South is loaded with possible land mines for SHG. In the North? Other than possibly Prairie Ridge, not seeing many challenges for the Broncos.
It's not like I'm angling for Fenwick to be in the DSR. We are talking about the strength of the Montini schedule that includes Fenwick, among others. Fenwick at 3-5 with their schedule is not the same as, say, Andrew being 3-5 playing their schedule. For example, Andrew was not competitive in a 28 pt loss against 1-7 Stagg.
In other words, when you analyze one team's strength of schedule vs. another teams, you have to dig deeper than the records alone.
Pickem? Didn't Fenwick beat Carmel AT Carmel TWICE last year? Wasn't Carmel 7-5 last year? That's 40% of Carmel's five losses coming at the hands of Fenwick!
Let's look at Phillips, a common DSR opponent of this year's Carmel and Fenwick squads. Phillips beat Fenwick 40-16 in week one and Carmel 41-7 in week 2.
And didn't Pat's lose by 8 to Carmel this year?
And you want to call those games pickems?
Right there I should say case closed. But, tell you what, let's have this year's Fenwick squad play Nazareth's 2015 schedule. I say that Fenwick makes the playoffs playing Nazareth's schedule. 5-4 at a minimum.
Case closed.
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You're silly...last years teams from CoM and Fenwick have nothing to do with this years teams. With Naz's schedule I'd say they go 3-6 or 4-5 at best and still miss the playoffs. lets be honest we could debate this all day and get nowhere but you put it out there with no ability to prove they'd be more successful in the ESCC. They simply would not is my opinion and you already stated yours. STALEMATE!
I already admitted that Thornton was a quality win. Basically, it is LWN's lone quality win. And it was a two pointer.
If Thornton were to play MS and ESL ten times, I don't think they would come close to winning a majority.
Ramblin,
First of all, I would never compare a 3 - 5 Rita vs a 3 - 5 Andrew and to insinuate that I have is stupid. Never have I stated that and I never would. I have seen Andrew play and they are not good, period. A down St. Rita is definitely better than Andrew. The other problem with that statement is when comparing schedules, a 3 - 5 St. Rita is arguably the 3rd best team Montini has played all year. Andrew, while nowhere near the talent of St. Rita, is the 7th best team on the LWN schedule.
In regards to MS, yes they are the best team on both schedules. You want to argue they go 9 - 0 on the LWN schedule, no arguments here. I don't think this MS is as good as MS past, but they are still really good.
You want to argue Montini goes 9 - 0 on the LWN schedule, less confidence than MS but maybe they do.
Don't agree with the ESL 8 -1. Before they went on strike they lost to Belleville West (4 - 4) and they were down 21 - 7 to Simeon before winning that game (and Simeon is 1 - 2 against quality opponents if you count Curie). They never got to play Edwardsville or Bellevile East (which would have given us an idea of the quality they really were) This was not the same quality ESL team as we are used to in the past. I think LWN, LWW, and Thornton (built now like ESL of the past) would easily compete with ESL and Richards could too.
The rest is all hypothetical what - ifs. I think you certainly underrate the top of the SWSR in LWN, LWW, and Thornton along with Richards (who was a non-con LWN opponent). They could go to the CCL - G and be just fine (other than losing to Montini of course). Bradley and Sandberg may be overrated based on quality wins. LWC is average and Andrew, Thornridge and Thornwood are awful. All this means is most of the teams you mentioned may come in and feast on the bottom half of the LWN schedule, but would not walk through the top half. Just as the top half of the SWSR would when facing the likes of Leo, St. Joe and Marmion.
Oh, but they do. Same coaches. Many of the same players. Both teams faring worse this year than last. They actually have quite a bit in common, not to mention that fact that Fenwick fared better against a common DSR opponent...THIS YEAR.
Playing Naz's schedule, Fenwick would beat Bloomington, Leo, Viator and Marian FOR SURE. They would also likely beat Pat's. There's your 5-4 right there. 3-6? TOO funny!
Let me see if I understand you correctly. You say that you have no arguments with MS going 9-0 on the LWN schedule but you have less confidence that Montini would go 9-0 than MS.
You do realize that Montini beat MS, right?
Ramblin'
They are not similar Fenwick had between 5-10 Sr's playing this season, not talking about the 20 on the roster I'm talking about kids that play. Common opponents mean exactly what...NAZ blew out Benet, Benet beat JCA, MCC got crushed by JCA, NAZ got beat by MCC, Waubonsie got Blown out by GN, GN got beat by NC, NC beat Neuqua, Neuqua beat Waubonsie, Naperville North got beat by everyone but Waubonsie... this should make the common opponent argument the nonsense that it is.
Again, my stance on Fenwick in the ESCC is they don't qualify for the Playoffs. They win their two non conferences and if paired with Marian Catholic win that game. If they get St V they probably win but if you've watched their tape you'd realize they might be the toughest 1 win team out there because they keep playing till the end. Again this makes them at best 4-5 because I don't believe they can beat St Pats this year.
As I said you have your opinion I have mine we won't see eye to eye and neither of us can prove the other wrong...STALEMATE!
They are not similar Fenwick had between 5-10 Sr's playing this season, not talking about the 20 on the roster I'm talking about kids that play. Common opponents mean exactly what...NAZ blew out Benet, Benet beat JCA, MCC got crushed by JCA, NAZ got beat by MCC, Waubonsie got Blown out by GN, GN got beat by NC, NC beat Neuqua, Neuqua beat Waubonsie, Naperville North got beat by everyone but Waubonsie... this should make the common opponent argument the nonsense that it is.
Again, my stance on Fenwick in the ESCC is they don't qualify for the Playoffs. They win their two non conferences and if paired with Marian Catholic win that game. If they get St V they probably win but if you've watched their tape you'd realize they might be the toughest 1 win team out there because they keep playing till the end. Again this makes them at best 4-5 because I don't believe they can beat St Pats this year.
As I said you have your opinion I have mine we won't see eye to eye and neither of us can prove the other wrong...STALEMATE!
This whole argument is arbitrary and it doesn't look like any opinions will be changed on the SOS for Montini and LWN. But hey, next week is the playoffs and it's put up or shut up time. I think Montini is all but a shoo-in to make it to Dekalb. I love my boys from LWN but they have a real tough road. For those of you saying they're not all that, how far would they have to go to prove they're a legit team?
What if Sandburg beats LWE on Friday? Will that make Sandburg a quality win for LWN thereby making them a legit team?
It would be kinda funny if these two meet in the finals and we'd refer back to this. However I think you gotta make SHG the favorite out of the south. They're the defending champs and to be the man you gotta beat the man.
Either way I'm so amped for this game on Friday against LWW who will do some damage of their own whether they're in 5A or 6A.
Then after that it's the PLAYOFFS! Best time of the year where all the talk about who's better prepared, better SOS goes out the window. It's about who the best team is on that Friday or Saturday night.
I just hope my boys from LWN go out on a very high note and I think they believe they're capable of it!
What if Sandburg beats LWE on Friday? Will that make Sandburg a quality win for LWN thereby making them a legit team?
It would be kinda funny if these two meet in the finals and we'd refer back to this. However I think you gotta make SHG the favorite out of the south. They're the defending champs and to be the man you gotta beat the man.
Either way I'm so amped for this game on Friday against LWW who will do some damage of their own whether they're in 5A or 6A.
Then after that it's the PLAYOFFS! Best time of the year where all the talk about who's better prepared, better SOS goes out the window. It's about who the best team is on that Friday or Saturday night.
I just hope my boys from LWN go out on a very high note and I think they believe they're capable of it!
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no changes in rankings.
CG and PR in that North bracket. Trust me, no one will be looking ahead. It will be good for SHG to have to play more than a quarter in their trip to DeKalb. I think they can make it, but LWN won't go down without a fight. They are solid.
I suspect that SHG will be challenged before they see LWN in a loaded 6a south bracket. Maybe, as early as 2nd round. For sure in 3rd round (quarter finals).
C-G would no doubt provide a challenge, but the latest projection has them in 7A.
That would be the same St. Pat's that couldn't manage more than 13 pts against a 1-7 Viator last weekend. Do you think that Pat's could notch two TDs and a FG on Phillips like Fenwick did? Carmel only managed one late game score against Phillips. Could Pat's could do better?
This is the same St. Pat's that gave up 42 pts to a 3-5 Carmel (whose three wins came against teams with a combined 5-19 record).
Pat's will likely finish 1-6 in the ESCC...without having to play JCA! And you think Pat's would beat Fenwick?
You are delusional.
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Well Fenwick did lose to Ignatius who got beat soundly by a Tinley Park team that will take 3rd or 4th in the SSC Blue.
Obviously, this means you have nothing more to add to the argument -- nothing substantive to rebut my points.
Winning!
I think you two just need to meet up and settle all this with some Greco-Roman wrestling
Ramblin'
Not gonna waste any more of my time. MC140 had it covered. As Gooms pointed out in another thread, your kinda getting to be like a Jr version or IG88 or GD93 or whatever name he's using today!
Not gonna waste any more of my time. MC140 had it covered. As Gooms pointed out in another thread, your kinda getting to be like a Jr version or IG88 or GD93 or whatever name he's using today!
You just want to take potshots and then not see through the very fights that you pick. Duly noted.