Okay, maybe you are less American than me.Don't lump us together, I don't know you well enough.
I grew up with several vets and they feel differently. As do I. Thank you for your dad and know I would never disrespect his service like some would choose.Dad died from a combat condition in Vietnam.. personally, I understand if taking a knee upsets people, but I'm proud as hell my dad fought and died for these players' right to protest the conditions of minorities.
They aren't protesting dad.
1.. Sure it is more complex...it is mainly ethnic difference in turkish populations. But make no mistake...it has no correlation to Black people in today's USA.
2. Go ahead and kneel for the anthem as well since you're so defensive about Kanter...but people have just as much space to disagree with these "protests" as those partaking in protest. So get over yourself.
Okay, maybe you are less American than me.
Why are people making it about vets? They have said literally zero bad things about vets. Its total projection.I grew up with several vets and they feel differently. As do I. Thank you for your dad and know I would never disrespect his service like some would choose.
Why are people making it about vets? They have said literally zero bad things about vets. Its total projection.
Because it's a symbol of our country they are kneeling on.Why are people making it about vets? They have said literally zero bad things about vets. Its total projection.
PS: Lets make America great again (because it apparently isn't right now.)Why do you hate the troops?
I mean if you don't think America is perfect, there's the door, COMRADE.
Why are people making it about vets? They have said literally zero bad things about vets. Its total projection.
Because it's a symbol of our country they are kneeling on.
PS: Lets make America great again (because it apparently isn't right now.)
Being a vet doesn't give you the right to expect everyone to protest in a way you want. Especially when the protest has nothing to do with vets in the first place.Vets have feelings too since it is mostly feelings the protesters are protesting about. Disrespect the country, disrespect the flag, disrespect the United States it is all the same to most Veterans. Don't malign the country. Protest to your hearts content but these are going past protesting and are in to country bashing...
The sideline of a football field is a symbol of our country?
They are protesting *during* the anthem. It's like saying they're protesting Jesus because they're doing it on a Sunday.
Being a vet doesn't give you the right to expect everyone to protest in a way you want. Especially when the protest has nothing to do with vets in the first place.
They may be...
Uh that's what I'm saying. The Sabith was actually on Saturday.The sideline of a football field is a symbol of our country?
They are protesting *during* the anthem. It's like saying they're protesting Jesus because they're doing it on a Sunday.
So if its not perfect, how is protesting things that aren't perfect un-American? Exercising your first amendment rights is pretty damn American in my eyes. These people haven't said they hate America and haven't said a single bad word about our armed forces. Trying to label them as vet hating anti-American radicals is just so beyond any form of actual logic.It's not, and hasn't been for a long time. Don't talk, do.
If only there had been some reporting on the issue to find out why players are choosing to kneel and we didn't have to speculate.
Saying one thing and doing another. That's the issue. Honest I'm not stealing the money.... I'm going to take it to get cleaned. There was said zero till Cap was called out. Then the message became " it's not about the military". Not before. You'll believe anything.So if its not perfect, how is protesting things that aren't perfect un-American? Exercising your first amendment rights is pretty damn American in my eyes. These people haven't said they hate America and haven't said a single bad word about our armed forces. Trying to label them as vet hating anti-American radicals is just so beyond any form of actual logic.
Saying one thing and doing another. That's the issue. Honest I'm not stealing the money.... I'm going to take it to get cleaned. There was said zero till Cap was called out. Then the message became " it's not about the military". Not before. You'll believe anything.
Not at all. I don't care about his intent.Kaep originally sat until he spoke with a vet who told him that was disrespectful, then he switched to kneeling.
The guy who started it purposely chose something that he was told wasn't disrespectful, but you're claiming to know his intent better than he knows it himself?
Bed time though. You guys keep the pc world going.
I don't need to write a book. Most people with any sense already understand what's going on. But let me explain to you and a couple others on this thread:
Anyone can protest. But this particular protest is the product of inflated news coverage and the manipulation of events by people with an agenda to take advantage of racial divisiveness. Most all these shootings that let to the BlackLivesMatter movement occurred at a time when America had an African American president, an African American head of the Justice Department, an African American head of the DOJ Civil Rights division, and thousands of African American police chiefs, mayors and public safety officials. That's hardly the recipe for a society that is systematically racist.
I live in the DC area. Through the years there have been dozens of cop shootings here -- almost always by black cops shooting blacks. Those shootings got almost no attention. The cops were poorly trained or angry or scared, just like the Somali cop in Minnesota who shot the white woman. The motive wasn't race, and I doubt it was in the cop shootings that were overblown to create this movement. In fact, the WASHINGTON POST did an examination of EVERY cop shooting in America last year. Guess what? By far, the most common occurrence was a person of like race shooting a person of that race. That was twenty times more likely to happen than a mixed race cop shooting. But if race has been a factor in some shootings, we have a vast, rigorous legal system to deal with it. That system doesn't work perfectly -- see the OJ Simpson trial. But we all have to abide by it. Dividing the country over a relative handful of episodes is not only stupid, it will create more problems for minorities and everyone else than it solves. But there has always been news to sell and political capital to gain by race baiting.
The right way to protest to me is protesting for or against what your topic is. Not slapping the country in the face for police brutality or unity or whatever people are up for. Unless it's to protest against America. If so these be it but be honest about it. It's just not me who would do that.
Being a vet doesn't give you the right to expect everyone to protest in a way you want. Especially when the protest has nothing to do with vets in the first place.
You have issues buddy.You know what, for someone who bitches and moans constantly about political discourse on the board, you sure as hell won't shut your damn mouth about it overtime it pops up.
I am so glad Im not part of you and your ilk, misfits of society who promote disgusting tactics and hate the country thats given them everything.
I really am ashamed so many died for people like you and others in this thread. You are all a disgrace. The flag was the only symbol of unity in a divided country. We rallied around it for our vets in hopes they would protect us while we worked to make this country the best place it could be. But the left is coming out to show they are in fact what they've always been, a disgusting group who hates our country and the military.
Btw, you and your ilk of misfits can stop with the *im a moderate guy who just hates politics* routine. You guys are extreme and filthy.
You have issues buddy.
Kaep originally sat until he spoke with a vet who told him that was disrespectful, then he switched to kneeling.
The guy who started it purposely chose something that he was told wasn't disrespectful, but you're claiming to know his intent better than he knows it himself?
First not uncomfortable. Don't even understand how you get uncomfortable with that. Second I think everyone was already aware of the issue. Third not changing my mind on my hatred for it. Sorry to disappoint.The intent of a protest is to make you uncomfortable and aware of an issue. So I guess, they were successful on both fronts.
Not one time said I was offended.So you're offended by something based totally on your own feelings, regardless of publicly documented intent, but the people who disagree with you are "pc"?
It's like you heard four terms on the news and just tried to push them all together. There's zero logical structure to any of your argument.
But yes, you're allowed to feel however you want. Maybe one day NFL players will be allowed to.
If the guy really wanted to protest, he could start with this. Not surprisingly, he hasn't. Don't expect people to get warm and fuzzy over his "protest".
"Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population.
The increase in black homicides last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.
Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks.
In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.
Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.
Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by black males."- NY Post
Not one time said I was offended.
Don't care what they say when their actions are different.
People lie for their agendas like in this issue.m data doesn't hold up
Still gonna hate it like they like it. Not changing my mind. My opinion is just as valid whether you want me to feel different or not.
As far as "structure of my argument" I'm not trying to have an argument. I simply don't like people disrespecting our country under any false statements.
Why do you think people can't process it? I process it fine. I don't agree with the method, not the protest. It's seems you don't want to understand that or agree with it. If you don't agree that's just as fine as me not agreeing with the method.I think it's probably worth protesting that only black people are apparently not allowed to speak out against any issues in America until "their" entire culture is perfect.
It's especially idiotic when there is so much more being done to try and curtail violence than simply taking a knee during the anthem. But until it's all fixed, they don't get a voice.
Really can't comprehend how so many of you are unable to process multiple issues at the same time. As if you're driving and notice you need air in your tire, an oil change, and have a dirty windshield and decide to just let it all ride until you can get that windshield cleaned off.
But then maybe no one has written an article you can copy paste about that.
Why do you think people can't process it? I process it fine. I don't agree with the method, not the protest. It's seems you don't want to understand that or agree with it. If you don't agree that's just as fine as me not agreeing with the method.
Yeah, except youre the only one here making things personal and avoiding any and all logic. I honestly feel sorry for you.The feeling is 100% mutual.
Yeah, except youre the only one here making things personal and avoiding any and all logic. I honestly feel sorry for you.