Darn Kanter....
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I grew up with several vets and they feel differently. As do I. Thank you for your dad and know I would never disrespect his service like some would choose.
With discourse like that I can't imagine how our country could have divisiveness issues.
You said something wrong. I called you on it. Instead of owning it, you're telling me to kneel for the anthem for defending a former Cat with facts.
Good talk.
John Wayne may have been less of an American than I am. I never got to meet him though he died the day I graduated from High School (Just a little known fact..)
Why are people making it about vets? They have said literally zero bad things about vets. Its total projection.
Why do you hate the troops?
I mean if you don't think America is perfect, there's the door, COMRADE.
PS: Lets make America great again (because it apparently isn't right now.)
Vets have feelings too since it is mostly feelings the protesters are protesting about. Disrespect the country, disrespect the flag, disrespect the United States it is all the same to most Veterans. Don't malign the country. Protest to your hearts content but these are going past protesting and are in to country bashing...
The sideline of a football field is a symbol of our country?
They are protesting *during* the anthem. It's like saying they're protesting Jesus because they're doing it on a Sunday.
Being a vet doesn't give you the right to expect everyone to protest in a way you want. Especially when the protest has nothing to do with vets in the first place.
If only there had been some reporting on the issue to find out why players are choosing to kneel and we didn't have to speculate.
So if its not perfect, how is protesting things that aren't perfect un-American? Exercising your first amendment rights is pretty damn American in my eyes. These people haven't said they hate America and haven't said a single bad word about our armed forces. Trying to label them as vet hating anti-American radicals is just so beyond any form of actual logic.
Saying one thing and doing another. That's the issue. Honest I'm not stealing the money.... I'm going to take it to get cleaned. There was said zero till Cap was called out. Then the message became " it's not about the military". Not before. You'll believe anything.
Kaep originally sat until he spoke with a vet who told him that was disrespectful, then he switched to kneeling.
The guy who started it purposely chose something that he was told wasn't disrespectful, but you're claiming to know his intent better than he knows it himself?
Ultimately I couldn't care less how anyone protests if it's not against the country itself. My view is just as good as the protesters. Just as valid. And I don't care how they feel about my view as I don't care about theirs. I disagree with their spinning it.
So you're offended by something based totally on your own feelings, regardless of publicly documented intent, but the people who disagree with you are "pc"?
It's like you heard four terms on the news and just tried to push them all together. There's zero logical structure to any of your argument.
But yes, you're allowed to feel however you want. Maybe one day NFL players will be allowed to.
You're pretty much all over the place. You even cited the O.J. Simpson trial. Really?
Protesting racial injustice and the police mistreating people of color is not a manipulation of events. Nor is it an agenda created by the media.
President Obama being in office also has nothing to do with it. That's like saying, "X cop couldn't not have possibly been racially motivated when he choked out Y unarmed suspect, because the President of the United States is African-American."
That sounds pretty ridiculous right?
Ignoring actual problems does not make them go away.
But maybe you can include a chapter in your book that dictates how many "episodes" make a topic worth discussing. I'm guessing more than a "handful"?
I think you're better off saying, "police brutality against people of color doesn't matter to me, because it doesn't effect me." At least you will be honest with yourself, instead of attempting to persuade others that it's not a problem, it doesn't exist or it's an insignificant issue.
The intent of a protest is to make you uncomfortable and aware of an issue. So I guess, they were successful on both fronts.
There:s no conservative American you will find that believes they don't have the right to do it, being an idiot is your right. Of course the left has decided that *hate speech* is now not protected, so who are the ones against the first amendment?
Dealing with the issue at hand though, most of those football players have done NOTHING except be disrespectful without even knowing why. Kanter should be celebrating the flag, he:s never sacrificed for it and has made millions off of the nation many sacrificed to bring him. Hes a disgrace.
The corrupt media has perpetuated this myth of racial injustice onto the masses in attempt to lock up all minority voters. The cops are not gunning down unarmed black men, white men, any men. The facts simply do not bear that out and Im surprised so many intelligent people allow these lies to continue.
The real conversation we should be having in inner cities and AA communities cannot happen because there are too many soft bigots who use the victimization of AA people to further political causes. You know who you are. Attacking white culture is the lowest lying fruit in the country. Attacking real issues within minority communities is the hard conversation to have, thats why no one has it. But liberal white boys get so warm and fuzzy being down with the cause. Thats all it is.
My grandfather was shot 9 times for that flag in WW2. He was captured by the Germans and tortured in France. They have the right because of him to be the scum of the earth, and those of you who support their cause and tactics are complete scumbags.
Dealing with the issue at hand though, most of those football players have done NOTHING except be disrespectful without even knowing why. Kanter should be celebrating the flag, he:s never sacrificed for it and has made millions off of the nation many sacrificed to bring him. Hes a disgrace.
The corrupt media has perpetuated this myth of racial injustice onto the masses in attempt to lock up all minority voters. The cops are not gunning down unarmed black men, white men, any men. The facts simply do not bear that out and Im surprised so many intelligent people allow these lies to continue.
The real conversation we should be having in inner cities and AA communities cannot happen because there are too many soft bigots who use the victimization of AA people to further political causes. You know who you are. Attacking white culture is the lowest lying fruit in the country. Attacking real issues within minority communities is the hard conversation to have, thats why no one has it. But liberal white boys get so warm and fuzzy being down with the cause. Thats all it is.
My grandfather was shot 9 times for that flag in WW2. He was captured by the Germans and tortured in France. They have the right because of him to be the scum of the earth, and those of you who support their cause and tactics are complete scumbags.
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You know what, for someone who bitches and moans constantly about political discourse on the board, you sure as hell won't shut your damn mouth about it overtime it pops up.
I am so glad Im not part of you and your ilk, misfits of society who promote disgusting tactics and hate the country thats given them everything.
I really am ashamed so many died for people like you and others in this thread. You are all a disgrace. The flag was the only symbol of unity in a divided country. We rallied around it for our vets in hopes they would protect us while we worked to make this country the best place it could be. But the left is coming out to show they are in fact what they've always been, a disgusting group who hates our country and the military.
Btw, you and your ilk of misfits can stop with the *im a moderate guy who just hates politics* routine. You guys are extreme and filthy.
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You have issues buddy.
Yeah, his posts are consistently trash. Thankful for the ignore button.
If the guy really wanted to protest, he could start with this. Not surprisingly, he hasn't. Don't expect people to get warm and fuzzy over his "protest".
"Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population.
The increase in black homicides last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.
Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks.
In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.
Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.
Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers — committed vastly and disproportionately by black males."- NY Post
First not uncomfortable. Don't even understand how you get uncomfortable with that. Second I think everyone was already aware of the issue. Third not changing my mind on my hatred for it. Sorry to disappoint.
Not one time said I was offended.
Don't care what they say when their actions are different.
People lie for their agendas like in this issue.m data doesn't hold up
Still gonna hate it like they like it. Not changing my mind. My opinion is just as valid whether you want me to feel different or not.
As far as "structure of my argument" I'm not trying to have an argument. I simply don't like people disrespecting our country under any false statements.
I think it's probably worth protesting that only black people are apparently not allowed to speak out against any issues in America until "their" entire culture is perfect.
It's especially idiotic when there is so much more being done to try and curtail violence than simply taking a knee during the anthem. But until it's all fixed, they don't get a voice.
Really can't comprehend how so many of you are unable to process multiple issues at the same time. As if you're driving and notice you need air in your tire, an oil change, and have a dirty windshield and decide to just let it all ride until you can get that windshield cleaned off.
But then maybe no one has written an article you can copy paste about that.
So your stance is that, by kneeling to draw attention to a cause, that they're intentionally lying about the cause they hope to bring awareness to?
That sounds reasonable to you?
Why do you think people can't process it? I process it fine. I don't agree with the method, not the protest. It's seems you don't want to understand that or agree with it. If you don't agree that's just as fine as me not agreeing with the method.
Because otherwise it's a complete waste of everyone's time to say that you can't protest inequality until black people stop killing black people.
Both things can be an issue that deserves attention and to be worked on.
Because people damn sure weren't telling anyone who has been trying to curtail the violence that they couldn't do that until Issue X was solved. Wonder what the difference is?
Yeah, except youre the only one here making things personal and avoiding any and all logic. I honestly feel sorry for you.
I think you're an absolute disgrace and pitiful. I have no tolerance for you.