Data Points that Validates WVU is a Top 25 Athletics Program

[Volatility_rivals135605]

1. 27th Largest TV Market + Streaming
2. Top 15 Brands/Logo
3. Top 20 Merch Sales
4. Top 5 Facebook Fan engagement
5. Top 10 Twitter Fan Engagement
6. Top 10 InstaGram Fan engagement
7. Top 30 Average Game Attendance
8. 15th Winningest Football Program
9. Multiple BCS Wins
10. 14 Conference Football Championships & # of weeks AP poll ranked
11. Top 20 Basketball Program(#Wins, Conference Championships, # of weeks AP poll ranks, NCAA Tournament, etc)
12. Top 20-25 Facilities - (Recent upgrades, have not yet been officially rated, but this is logically assumed given the recent updates)

13. Leadership : Gordon Gee - One of the most distinguished University Presidents in P5. Shane Lyons - Recently awarded as the best AD in the country. Bob Huggins - 900 win HC, soon to be a HOF HC(inevitable). Neal Brown - One of the Top HC in the country under 40(His ranking will continue to rise as the corrections are made from what he inherited).

14. Multiple Sport quality - Baseball, Rifle, Womens Soccer are all top tier in P5. While these are not as popular as Basketball or Football they do help to cement overall program health & competitiveness.

15. Tier1(R1) Research : One of the top Land Grant research Universities in P5
16. Rhode Scholars, Truman Scholars, GoldWater Scholars - Collectively rank higher then many "Prestigious institutions", including Pitt.

While WVU will never be a blueblood, we will never be on the same level as a Bama, OSU, ND, etc, we are absolutely head & shoulders above the vast majority of NON-BLUEBLOOD programs. While some non-blueblood programs are or can be good at one sport, not many are good at multiple sports or have the history/accomplishments we have in multiple sports.

Every program experiences up & down cycles, even Clemson, FSU, USC, Bama, etc experienced periods when they was not good. WVU is just starting to slowly exit a down cycle by the previous staff. The only way to holistically measure a program's quality is to measure it over its entire history.

I heard on a podcast recently someone called in, and said Cinci is a better program to add to the ACC than WVU. Which is hilariously inaccurate. From every major data point Cinci is nowhere near the quality, revenue potential, history, culture, fan engagement, etc as WVU. While WVU may be a smaller state, we have a significant out of state following, specifically in PA, VA, NC, & FL. WV is 39th in population, Nebraska is 37th for example, so while WV is not a Texas or FL, when you combine the high% in-state viewership(the only P5 program in the state) and multiple healthy out-of-state viewership WVU ranks far higher then its population.

Also, WVU being added into the ACC will also organically increase ACC viewership from other programs such as UVA, Pitt, VT, Louisville, BC, Cuse, Clemson etc. Will the fans of those teams more likely to watch their team play Cinci, or WVU? Adding WVU will increase fan engagement, game attendance, and viewership. Giving the ACC a better negotiating position on the next media deals. VT vs WVU is already quickly approaching to be sold out, how many of those tickets are VT fans? Opponents & WVU will be more likely to travel, esp given our substantial out-of-state fanbase.

Look, While if it was my personal decision, I would choose the BigTen, for multiple reasons. However, our probable path forward is the ACC, and to think WVU would not bring added value or "Just be another mouth Clemson would have to feed" to the ACC is nonsense. The perception is WVU brings no additional revenue because its a small population, but when you actually look at ALL the data it quickly dismisses that as a completely false narrative.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

1. 27th Largest TV Market + Streaming
2. Top 15 Brands/Logo
3. Top 20 Merch Sales
4. Top 5 Facebook Fan engagement
5. Top 10 Twitter Fan Engagement
6. Top 10 InstaGram Fan engagement
7. Top 30 Average Game Attendance
8. 15th Winningest Football Program
9. Multiple BCS Wins
10. 14 Conference Football Championships & # of weeks AP poll ranked
11. Top 20 Basketball Program(#Wins, Conference Championships, # of weeks AP poll ranks, NCAA Tournament, etc)
12. Top 20-25 Facilities - (Recent upgrades, have not yet been officially rated, but this is logically assumed given the recent updates)

13. Leadership : Gordon Gee - One of the most distinguished University Presidents in P5. Shane Lyons - Recently awarded as the best AD in the country. Bob Huggins - 900 win HC, soon to be a HOF HC(inevitable). Neal Brown - One of the Top HC in the country under 40(His ranking will continue to rise as the corrections are made from what he inherited).

14. Multiple Sport quality - Baseball, Rifle, Womens Soccer are all top tier in P5. While these are not as popular as Basketball or Football they do help to cement overall program health & competitiveness.

15. Tier1(R1) Research : One of the top Land Grant research Universities in P5
16. Rhode Scholars, Truman Scholars, GoldWater Scholars - Collectively rank higher then many "Prestigious institutions", including Pitt.

While WVU will never be a blueblood, we will never be on the same level as a Bama, OSU, ND, etc, we are absolutely head & shoulders above the vast majority of NON-BLUEBLOOD programs. While some non-blueblood programs are or can be good at one sport, not many are good at multiple sports or have the history/accomplishments we have in multiple sports.

Every program experiences up & down cycles, even Clemson, FSU, USC, Bama, etc experienced periods when they was not good. WVU is just starting to slowly exit a down cycle by the previous staff. The only way to holistically measure a program's quality is to measure it over its entire history.

I heard on a podcast recently someone called in, and said Cinci is a better program to add to the ACC than WVU. Which is hilariously inaccurate. From every major data point Cinci is nowhere near the quality, revenue potential, history, culture, fan engagement, etc as WVU. While WVU may be a smaller state, we have a significant out of state following, specifically in PA, VA, NC, & FL.

Also, WVU being added into the ACC will also organically increase ACC viewership from other programs such as UVA, Pitt, VT, Louisville, BC, Cuse, Clemson etc. Will the fans of those teams more likely to watch their team play Cinci, or WVU? Adding WVU will increase fan engagement, game attendance, and viewership. Giving the ACC a better negotiating position on the next media deals.

Look, While if it was my personal decision, I would choose the BigTen, for multiple reasons. However, our probable path forward is the ACC, and to think WVU would not bring added value or "Just be another mouth Clemson would have to feed" to the ACC is nonsense. The perception is WVU brings no additional revenue because its a small population, but when you actually look at ALL the data is dismisses that as completely false narrative.

You spent too much time on this

 

[WVUALLEN]

He is not wrong.

 

[quinnjj]

What sources did you use to gather this information?

 

[VaultHunter]

Very interesting and true!

Now do football revenue production.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

What sources did you use to gather this information?

google. Everything is very simple to find online. The only one that is more of an opinion, would be the facilities ranking. Naturally/Logically assumed being how significant the recent remodel & upgrades..

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

1. 27th Largest TV Market + Streaming
2. Top 15 Brands/Logo
3. Top 20 Merch Sales
4. Top 5 Facebook Fan engagement
5. Top 10 Twitter Fan Engagement
6. Top 10 InstaGram Fan engagement
7. Top 30 Average Game Attendance
8. 15th Winningest Football Program
9. Multiple BCS Wins
10. 14 Conference Football Championships & # of weeks AP poll ranked
11. Top 20 Basketball Program(#Wins, Conference Championships, # of weeks AP poll ranks, NCAA Tournament, etc)
12. Top 20-25 Facilities - (Recent upgrades, have not yet been officially rated, but this is logically assumed given the recent updates)

13. Leadership : Gordon Gee - One of the most distinguished University Presidents in P5. Shane Lyons - Recently awarded as the best AD in the country. Bob Huggins - 900 win HC, soon to be a HOF HC(inevitable). Neal Brown - One of the Top HC in the country under 40(His ranking will continue to rise as the corrections are made from what he inherited).

14. Multiple Sport quality - Baseball, Rifle, Womens Soccer are all top tier in P5. While these are not as popular as Basketball or Football they do help to cement overall program health & competitiveness.

15. Tier1(R1) Research : One of the top Land Grant research Universities in P5
16. Rhode Scholars, Truman Scholars, GoldWater Scholars - Collectively rank higher then many "Prestigious institutions", including Pitt.

While WVU will never be a blueblood, we will never be on the same level as a Bama, OSU, ND, etc, we are absolutely head & shoulders above the vast majority of NON-BLUEBLOOD programs. While some non-blueblood programs are or can be good at one sport, not many are good at multiple sports or have the history/accomplishments we have in multiple sports.

Every program experiences up & down cycles, even Clemson, FSU, USC, Bama, etc experienced periods when they was not good. WVU is just starting to slowly exit a down cycle by the previous staff. The only way to holistically measure a program's quality is to measure it over its entire history.

I heard on a podcast recently someone called in, and said Cinci is a better program to add to the ACC than WVU. Which is hilariously inaccurate. From every major data point Cinci is nowhere near the quality, revenue potential, history, culture, fan engagement, etc as WVU. While WVU may be a smaller state, we have a significant out of state following, specifically in PA, VA, NC, & FL. WV is 39th in population, Nebraska is 37th for example, so while WV is not a Texas or FL, when you combine the high% in-state viewership(the only P5 program in the state) and multiple healthy out-of-state viewership WVU ranks far higher then its population.

Also, WVU being added into the ACC will also organically increase ACC viewership from other programs such as UVA, Pitt, VT, Louisville, BC, Cuse, Clemson etc. Will the fans of those teams more likely to watch their team play Cinci, or WVU? Adding WVU will increase fan engagement, game attendance, and viewership. Giving the ACC a better negotiating position on the next media deals. VT vs WVU is already quickly approaching to be sold out, how many of those tickets are VT fans? Opponents & WVU will be more likely to travel, esp given our substantial out-of-state fanbase.

Look, While if it was my personal decision, I would choose the BigTen, for multiple reasons. However, our probable path forward is the ACC, and to think WVU would not bring added value or "Just be another mouth Clemson would have to feed" to the ACC is nonsense. The perception is WVU brings no additional revenue because its a small population, but when you actually look at ALL the data it quickly dismisses that as a completely false narrative.

LOT OF GOOD POINTS. WVU IS FAR FROM BEING THE LITTLE SISTERS OF THE POOR. IT'S NOT ALABAMA, BUT WHO IS?

 

[nvEERs]

Keep preaching Brother

 

[Tylerite]

The only thing in the op post that I don't agree with was that our football program was in bad shape. The previous head coach only had 1 losing season out of 8. Don't let personality dislike cloud your judgement there.
Was there room for improvement? Certainly. But there is every year.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

our football program was in bad shape.

When Neal Brown leaves, which he will, history tells us if he's successful, the same people will be lying about Neal "leaving the program in bad shape." In the Big East, Dana's first season in 2011 the Mountaineers finished atop the conference standings and won the Orange Bowl and was a top 20 team. Dana had ONE losing season at WVU. And was 61-41. What is SO terrible about that? Beware, Neal Brown: Top 20 and winning seasons aren't enough for some WVU fans. They want you to turn my alma mater into Alabama or get out of town on a rail! Idiots!

 

[Rootmaster]

our football program was in bad shape.

When Neal Brown leaves, which he will, history tells us if he's successful, the same people will be lying about Neal "leaving the program in bad shape." In the Big East, Dana's first season in 2011 the Mountaineers finished atop the conference standings and won the Orange Bowl and was a top 20 team. Dana had ONE losing season at WVU. And was 61-41. What is SO terrible about that? Beware, Neal Brown: Top 20 and winning seasons aren't enough for some WVU fans. They want you to turn my alma mater into Alabama or get out of town on a rail! Idiots!

Did you and the rest of the water boys get participation trophies? You just love mediocre.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

Trajectory matters. Yes, Dana had a couple better then average seasons. 2012, 2016, was his two best years. 2012 he won the Big East and beat Clemson, and did it with a team he inherited. 2016 we barely hit 10 wins, many of which was a last minute TD or FG, BUT a win is a win, however the 2016 team got absolutely Smacked in the face & manhandled in the Russel Athletics bowl by Miami. 2018 was put together to compete on national level, and we did, however it didnt end well, and vastly under-performed when measuring the amount & caliber of Seniors on that team. It was a senior laden team, and while I dont blame DH for the OU loss or Griers two scoop & scores, I do blame him for losing to OkieSt. We were the better team, and it was easy to see. Frankly DH got out coached and if you go back and rewatch that game, its blatantly obvious.

That said, DH also did not build a program for consistent success. His recruiting, aside from the 2018 year, was declining, and the team he assembled post Grier era was/is one of the worst WVU teams in the past 20 years. Combining player recruiting rankings & experience of the 2015-2017 classes. Yes, the 2018 team had a lot of high end Senior Talent, however the program he designed experienced one of the largest declines in talent & experience ever a single season in the last 20 years. When you read all these articles from WVU writers, all they talk about is how great of a job NB & Staff are doing getting talent on campus, the difference between the previous staff and this staff is significant and every WVU writer has all but said this in their articles. I could add multiple quotes from multiple sources, but you can google that yourself.

DH hires, specifically Joe Deforest, which ranks up there with Jeff Mullen as one of the worst WVU hires in history, and probably was one of the main reasons why WVU under performed when it entered the Big12 for the first few years.

When people think NB didnt inherit an absolute disaster, please before you form an opinion, I invite you to take a few minutes and look at the 2019 roster that NB inherited. Then look at their recruiting rankings & experience. DH's JUCO strategy inhibited him from ensuring there would not be significant yearly fluctuation in quality. Its a path to ensure you can "Win some games", but not build for a higher level of outcome consistency.

DH had 8 years to build our program. If he was a great coach or on NB's level, NO WAY should the next coach inherit one of the youngest rosters in all fo D1. Not only was it extremely young, inexperienced, but the average ranking of those players(Aside from the Freshmen class), was horrible.

Dont respond with class recruiting rankings, because ive already posted here the top 5-7 players of 2015,2016,2017 in each class either never played for WVU, transferred before NB, kicked off team, medically retired, didnt maintain the grades, etc. When you subtract the top 5-7 rated players from the past 3 classes, in sequence nonetheless, and these classes ranked in the 40's WITH those players, it paints a very clear picture of the state of the program POST 2018. Subtract all those players that wasnt on the team(for whatever reason) and then compare it against other P5 programs, and I can tell you NB should have won a coach of the year award for winning 5 games in 2019.

QB development: How many times under DH did WVU lose to a backup QB? However, the system DH deploys makes it extremely difficult to not have a significant decline. While QB1 going down for any team is always tough, if it happened to WVU it was an above average decline. He rarely recruited & developed HS QB's, to have them in his program for multiple years, it just wasnt a strategy that best aligns with the historical requirements/justifications when WVU is a good team. WVU is a development program, that needs healthy upperclassmen experience & talent to compete at higher levels, and pursuing every decent JUCO player just to hit 7 wins, is not building to secure a more consistent higher ceiling.

Physicality: Aside from Karl Joseph, and maybe a couple other individual players, DH's teams always seemed to be physically dominated. The "Heart" or attitude also just didnt seem to be....aligned.

I was a strong DH supporter. Im not a fan of hiring+firing coaches after a few years, as it takes 5 years historically for any coach to build a program. Our utter disaster in 2017 when Grier got hurt and the next QB was absolutely horrible. Then, 2018 ending in complete disaster, and losing to Syracuse, only scoring 17 points, which was a perfect indication of the next season. IT was time to move on. DH had plenty of time to show his ceiling, ability to build, etc...

DH was a decent coach. He did have some success here, but my personal thoughts is he's not the type of HC WVU needs in order to obtain a more consistent higher level of play. I think we found the type of coach we need, we just have to be patient and give him time to implement the various types of change needed to take us where we want to be as a program. To get back in an "UP" cycle...

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Trajectory matters. Yes, Dana had a couple better then average seasons. 2012, 2016, was his two best years. 2012 he won the Big East and beat Clemson, and did it with a team he inherited. 2016 we barely hit 10 wins, many of which was a last minute TD or FG, BUT a win is a win, however the 2016 team got absolutely Smacked in the face & manhandled in the Russel Athletics bowl by Miami. 2018 was put together to compete on national level, and we did, however it didnt end well, and vastly under-performed when measuring the amount & caliber of Seniors on that team. It was a senior laden team, and while I dont blame DH for the OU loss or Griers two scoop & scores, I do blame him for losing to OkieSt. We were the better team, and it was easy to see. Frankly DH got out coached and if you go back and rewatch that game, its blatantly obvious.

That said, DH also did not build a program for consistent success. His recruiting, aside from the 2018 year, was declining, and the team he assembled post Grier era was/is one of the worst WVU teams in the past 20 years. Combining player recruiting rankings & experience of the 2015-2017 classes. Yes, the 2018 team had a lot of high end Senior Talent, however the program he designed experienced one of the largest declines in talent & experience ever a single season in the last 20 years. When you read all these articles from WVU writers, all they talk about is how great of a job NB & Staff are doing getting talent on campus, the difference between the previous staff and this staff is significant and every WVU writer has all but said this in their articles. I could add multiple quotes from multiple sources, but you can google that yourself.

DH hires, specifically Joe Deforest, which ranks up there with Jeff Mullen as one of the worst WVU hires in history, and probably was one of the main reasons why WVU under performed when it entered the Big12 for the first few years.

When people think NB didnt inherit an absolute disaster, please before you form an opinion, I invite you to take a few minutes and look at the 2019 roster that NB inherited. Then look at their recruiting rankings & experience. DH's JUCO strategy inhibited him from ensuring there would not be significant yearly fluctuation in quality. Its a path to ensure you can "Win some games", but not build for a higher level of outcome consistency.

DH had 8 years to build our program. If he was a great coach or on NB's level, NO WAY should the next coach inherit one of the youngest rosters in all fo D1. Not only was it extremely young, inexperienced, but the average ranking of those players(Aside from the Freshmen class), was horrible.

Dont respond with class recruiting rankings, because ive already posted here the top 5-7 players of 2015,2016,2017 in each class either never played for WVU, transferred before NB, kicked off team, medically retired, didnt maintain the grades, etc. When you subtract the top 5-7 rated players from the past 3 classes, in sequence nonetheless, and these classes ranked in the 40's WITH those players, it paints a very clear picture of the state of the program POST 2018. Subtract all those players that wasnt on the team(for whatever reason) and then compare it against other P5 programs, and I can tell you NB should have won a coach of the year award for winning 5 games in 2019.

QB development: How many times under DH did WVU lose to a backup QB? However, the system DH deploys makes it extremely difficult to not have a significant decline. While QB1 going down for any team is always tough, if it happened to WVU it was an above average decline. He rarely recruited & developed HS QB's, to have them in his program for multiple years, it just wasnt a strategy that best aligns with the historical requirements/justifications when WVU is a good team. WVU is a development program, that needs healthy upperclassmen experience & talent to compete at higher levels, and pursuing every decent JUCO player just to hit 7 wins, is not building to secure a more consistent higher ceiling.

Physicality: Aside from Karl Joseph, and maybe a couple other individual players, DH's teams always seemed to be physically dominated. The "Heart" or attitude also just didnt seem to be....aligned.

I was a strong DH supporter. Im not a fan of hiring+firing coaches after a few years, as it takes 5 years historically for any coach to build a program. Our utter disaster in 2017 when Grier got hurt and the next QB was absolutely horrible. Then, 2018 ending in complete disaster, and losing to Syracuse, only scoring 17 points, which was a perfect indication of the next season. IT was time to move on. DH had plenty of time to show his ceiling, ability to build, etc...

DH was a decent coach. He did have some success here, but my personal thoughts is he's not the type of HC WVU needs in order to obtain a more consistent higher level of play. I think we found the type of coach we need, we just have to be patient and give him time to implement the various types of change needed to take us where we want to be as a program. To get back in an "UP" cycle...

WE BOTH HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT.

 

[Rootmaster]

WE BOTH HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT.

You mean you and the voice in your head? Both of you?

 

[view2akill]

Make you wonder why the SEC didn’t make us priority #1 in their little expansion doesn’t it ?

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

SEC never got who they originally wanted.
In the late 1980’s they decided to expand under Roy Kramer. Named the Ole Miss Chancellor at the time head of SEC expansion. The reason he was named was because he graduated from the University of Texas.
When the rumors came out the other schools flipped out like you see now. The difference was the Governor at the time was a Baylor grad and the Speaker of the House was a Tech grad
Sad thing is… Ann Richards wouldn’t have became Governor if Clayton Williams wasn’t such a redneck and shook her hand at a debate in Dallas.
The rape comment was bad enough but he treated a female like **** and pissed a lot of people off.
So the SEC went with Arkansas.
When they wanted to expand again to 14 they went to Texas. Texas could have left the Big 12 in 2010.
There may have been a chance of Texas A&M not being able to leave if Rick Perry wasn’t Governor because once again Baylor threw a fit
This time they had everything lined up as the Governor of the state and the Speaker of the House are both University of Texas graduates.


I really don’t know why they aren’t interested in West Virginia. I feel like it is because of the size of the state.

Have to show people they are wrong. Have to show people that WVU fans care about their university and their athletic programs.

Instead of this hurting the school it should make it stronger
I am afraid the opposite will happen

 

[HotInEER]

1. 27th Largest TV Market + Streaming
2. Top 15 Brands/Logo
3. Top 20 Merch Sales
4. Top 5 Facebook Fan engagement
5. Top 10 Twitter Fan Engagement
6. Top 10 InstaGram Fan engagement
7. Top 30 Average Game Attendance
8. 15th Winningest Football Program
9. Multiple BCS Wins
10. 14 Conference Football Championships & # of weeks AP poll ranked
11. Top 20 Basketball Program(#Wins, Conference Championships, # of weeks AP poll ranks, NCAA Tournament, etc)
12. Top 20-25 Facilities - (Recent upgrades, have not yet been officially rated, but this is logically assumed given the recent updates)

13. Leadership : Gordon Gee - One of the most distinguished University Presidents in P5. Shane Lyons - Recently awarded as the best AD in the country. Bob Huggins - 900 win HC, soon to be a HOF HC(inevitable). Neal Brown - One of the Top HC in the country under 40(His ranking will continue to rise as the corrections are made from what he inherited).

14. Multiple Sport quality - Baseball, Rifle, Womens Soccer are all top tier in P5. While these are not as popular as Basketball or Football they do help to cement overall program health & competitiveness.

15. Tier1(R1) Research : One of the top Land Grant research Universities in P5
16. Rhode Scholars, Truman Scholars, GoldWater Scholars - Collectively rank higher then many "Prestigious institutions", including Pitt.

While WVU will never be a blueblood, we will never be on the same level as a Bama, OSU, ND, etc, we are absolutely head & shoulders above the vast majority of NON-BLUEBLOOD programs. While some non-blueblood programs are or can be good at one sport, not many are good at multiple sports or have the history/accomplishments we have in multiple sports.

Every program experiences up & down cycles, even Clemson, FSU, USC, Bama, etc experienced periods when they was not good. WVU is just starting to slowly exit a down cycle by the previous staff. The only way to holistically measure a program's quality is to measure it over its entire history.

I heard on a podcast recently someone called in, and said Cinci is a better program to add to the ACC than WVU. Which is hilariously inaccurate. From every major data point Cinci is nowhere near the quality, revenue potential, history, culture, fan engagement, etc as WVU. While WVU may be a smaller state, we have a significant out of state following, specifically in PA, VA, NC, & FL. WV is 39th in population, Nebraska is 37th for example, so while WV is not a Texas or FL, when you combine the high% in-state viewership(the only P5 program in the state) and multiple healthy out-of-state viewership WVU ranks far higher then its population.

Also, WVU being added into the ACC will also organically increase ACC viewership from other programs such as UVA, Pitt, VT, Louisville, BC, Cuse, Clemson etc. Will the fans of those teams more likely to watch their team play Cinci, or WVU? Adding WVU will increase fan engagement, game attendance, and viewership. Giving the ACC a better negotiating position on the next media deals. VT vs WVU is already quickly approaching to be sold out, how many of those tickets are VT fans? Opponents & WVU will be more likely to travel, esp given our substantial out-of-state fanbase.

Look, While if it was my personal decision, I would choose the BigTen, for multiple reasons. However, our probable path forward is the ACC, and to think WVU would not bring added value or "Just be another mouth Clemson would have to feed" to the ACC is nonsense. The perception is WVU brings no additional revenue because its a small population, but when you actually look at ALL the data it quickly dismisses that as a completely false narrative.

AGREED

 

[WVUALLEN]

our football program was in bad shape.

When Neal Brown leaves, which he will, history tells us if he's successful, the same people will be lying about Neal "leaving the program in bad shape." In the Big East, Dana's first season in 2011 the Mountaineers finished atop the conference standings and won the Orange Bowl and was a top 20 team. Dana had ONE losing season at WVU. And was 61-41. What is SO terrible about that? Beware, Neal Brown: Top 20 and winning seasons aren't enough for some WVU fans. They want you to turn my alma mater into Alabama or get out of town on a rail! Idiots!

You're full of ****. Dana's first season he lost to last place Syracuse and finished in 3 way tie for first. Won the tie breaker because they beat UCONN

Dana won 10 that season because he beat Clemson in a bowl game.

Took a top 5 team picked to win Big 12 in first season to an awesome 7-6 season.

He went 10-3 in 2016 losing to the 2 teams he needed to beat in a down year in Big 12 then proceeded to get his *** kicked in yet another bowl game.

Marshall
Norfolk State
Bowling Green
James Madison
William & Mary
Georgia State
Towson
Georgia Southern
Liberty
Missouri (horrible team that year)
Youngstown State
ECU
Delaware State

2018 started 8-1 then proceeded to lose 3 straight.

15 of his 61 were against lesser G5 teams and FCS
20 of his wins were 2 seasons. One of which he got lucky to tie for first and win tie breaker.

Dana had some good to great teams but could never finish strong fell short of expectations. He lived off JC and transfer players. That's a band aid and not a foundation. He had 4 big wins Clemson, Texas, Oklahoma State and Baylor. Those 4 wins were against top 15 teams. He could never get over the top.

Neal might fail even worse. He is 11-11 no big wins really. But he's building something much better. Recruiting has never been this good. He may leave if he begins winning that just means he did his job. But then again people claimed Nehlen would leave first opportunity. I believe he stayed what 20 or 21 years?

Guarantee Neal will not leave a bare house and if people claim so are not real fans.