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<blockquote data-quote="Volatility_rivals135605" data-source="post: 131738368" data-attributes="member: 1476288"><p>Trajectory matters. Yes, Dana had a couple better then average seasons. 2012, 2016, was his two best years. 2012 he won the Big East and beat Clemson, and did it with a team he inherited. 2016 we barely hit 10 wins, many of which was a last minute TD or FG, BUT a win is a win, however the 2016 team got absolutely Smacked in the face & manhandled in the Russel Athletics bowl by Miami. 2018 was put together to compete on national level, and we did, however it didnt end well, and vastly under-performed when measuring the amount & caliber of Seniors on that team. It was a senior laden team, and while I dont blame DH for the OU loss or Griers two scoop & scores, I do blame him for losing to OkieSt. We were the better team, and it was easy to see. Frankly DH got out coached and if you go back and rewatch that game, its blatantly obvious.</p><p></p><p>That said, DH also did not build a program for consistent success. His recruiting, aside from the 2018 year, was declining, and the team he assembled post Grier era was/is one of the worst WVU teams in the past 20 years. Combining player recruiting rankings & experience of the 2015-2017 classes. Yes, the 2018 team had a lot of high end Senior Talent, however the program he designed experienced one of the largest declines in talent & experience ever a single season in the last 20 years. When you read all these articles from WVU writers, all they talk about is how great of a job NB & Staff are doing getting talent on campus, the difference between the previous staff and this staff is significant and every WVU writer has all but said this in their articles. I could add multiple quotes from multiple sources, but you can google that yourself.</p><p></p><p>DH hires, specifically Joe Deforest, which ranks up there with Jeff Mullen as one of the worst WVU hires in history, and probably was one of the main reasons why WVU under performed when it entered the Big12 for the first few years.</p><p></p><p>When people think NB didnt inherit an absolute disaster, please before you form an opinion, I invite you to take a few minutes and look at the 2019 roster that NB inherited. Then look at their recruiting rankings & experience. DH's JUCO strategy inhibited him from ensuring there would not be significant yearly fluctuation in quality. Its a path to ensure you can "Win some games", but not build for a higher level of outcome consistency.</p><p></p><p>DH had 8 years to build our program. If he was a great coach or on NB's level, NO WAY should the next coach inherit one of the youngest rosters in all fo D1. Not only was it extremely young, inexperienced, but the average ranking of those players(Aside from the Freshmen class), was horrible. </p><p></p><p>Dont respond with class recruiting rankings, because ive already posted here the top 5-7 players of 2015,2016,2017 in each class either never played for WVU, transferred before NB, kicked off team, medically retired, didnt maintain the grades, etc. When you subtract the top 5-7 rated players from the past 3 classes, in sequence nonetheless, and these classes ranked in the 40's WITH those players, it paints a very clear picture of the state of the program POST 2018. Subtract all those players that wasnt on the team(for whatever reason) and then compare it against other P5 programs, and I can tell you NB should have won a coach of the year award for winning 5 games in 2019.</p><p></p><p>QB development: How many times under DH did WVU lose to a backup QB? However, the system DH deploys makes it extremely difficult to not have a significant decline. While QB1 going down for any team is always tough, if it happened to WVU it was an above average decline. He rarely recruited & developed HS QB's, to have them in his program for multiple years, it just wasnt a strategy that best aligns with the historical requirements/justifications when WVU is a good team. WVU is a development program, that needs healthy upperclassmen experience & talent to compete at higher levels, and pursuing every decent JUCO player just to hit 7 wins, is not building to secure a more consistent higher ceiling.</p><p></p><p>Physicality: Aside from Karl Joseph, and maybe a couple other individual players, DH's teams always seemed to be physically dominated. The "Heart" or attitude also just didnt seem to be....aligned.</p><p></p><p>I was a strong DH supporter. Im not a fan of hiring+firing coaches after a few years, as it takes 5 years historically for any coach to build a program. Our utter disaster in 2017 when Grier got hurt and the next QB was absolutely horrible. Then, 2018 ending in complete disaster, and losing to Syracuse, only scoring 17 points, which was a perfect indication of the next season. IT was time to move on. DH had plenty of time to show his ceiling, ability to build, etc...</p><p></p><p>DH was a decent coach. He did have some success here, but my personal thoughts is he's not the type of HC WVU needs in order to obtain a more consistent higher level of play. I think we found the type of coach we need, we just have to be patient and give him time to implement the various types of change needed to take us where we want to be as a program. To get back in an "UP" cycle...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Volatility_rivals135605, post: 131738368, member: 1476288"] Trajectory matters. Yes, Dana had a couple better then average seasons. 2012, 2016, was his two best years. 2012 he won the Big East and beat Clemson, and did it with a team he inherited. 2016 we barely hit 10 wins, many of which was a last minute TD or FG, BUT a win is a win, however the 2016 team got absolutely Smacked in the face & manhandled in the Russel Athletics bowl by Miami. 2018 was put together to compete on national level, and we did, however it didnt end well, and vastly under-performed when measuring the amount & caliber of Seniors on that team. It was a senior laden team, and while I dont blame DH for the OU loss or Griers two scoop & scores, I do blame him for losing to OkieSt. We were the better team, and it was easy to see. Frankly DH got out coached and if you go back and rewatch that game, its blatantly obvious. That said, DH also did not build a program for consistent success. His recruiting, aside from the 2018 year, was declining, and the team he assembled post Grier era was/is one of the worst WVU teams in the past 20 years. Combining player recruiting rankings & experience of the 2015-2017 classes. Yes, the 2018 team had a lot of high end Senior Talent, however the program he designed experienced one of the largest declines in talent & experience ever a single season in the last 20 years. When you read all these articles from WVU writers, all they talk about is how great of a job NB & Staff are doing getting talent on campus, the difference between the previous staff and this staff is significant and every WVU writer has all but said this in their articles. I could add multiple quotes from multiple sources, but you can google that yourself. DH hires, specifically Joe Deforest, which ranks up there with Jeff Mullen as one of the worst WVU hires in history, and probably was one of the main reasons why WVU under performed when it entered the Big12 for the first few years. When people think NB didnt inherit an absolute disaster, please before you form an opinion, I invite you to take a few minutes and look at the 2019 roster that NB inherited. Then look at their recruiting rankings & experience. DH's JUCO strategy inhibited him from ensuring there would not be significant yearly fluctuation in quality. Its a path to ensure you can "Win some games", but not build for a higher level of outcome consistency. DH had 8 years to build our program. If he was a great coach or on NB's level, NO WAY should the next coach inherit one of the youngest rosters in all fo D1. Not only was it extremely young, inexperienced, but the average ranking of those players(Aside from the Freshmen class), was horrible. Dont respond with class recruiting rankings, because ive already posted here the top 5-7 players of 2015,2016,2017 in each class either never played for WVU, transferred before NB, kicked off team, medically retired, didnt maintain the grades, etc. When you subtract the top 5-7 rated players from the past 3 classes, in sequence nonetheless, and these classes ranked in the 40's WITH those players, it paints a very clear picture of the state of the program POST 2018. Subtract all those players that wasnt on the team(for whatever reason) and then compare it against other P5 programs, and I can tell you NB should have won a coach of the year award for winning 5 games in 2019. QB development: How many times under DH did WVU lose to a backup QB? However, the system DH deploys makes it extremely difficult to not have a significant decline. While QB1 going down for any team is always tough, if it happened to WVU it was an above average decline. He rarely recruited & developed HS QB's, to have them in his program for multiple years, it just wasnt a strategy that best aligns with the historical requirements/justifications when WVU is a good team. WVU is a development program, that needs healthy upperclassmen experience & talent to compete at higher levels, and pursuing every decent JUCO player just to hit 7 wins, is not building to secure a more consistent higher ceiling. Physicality: Aside from Karl Joseph, and maybe a couple other individual players, DH's teams always seemed to be physically dominated. The "Heart" or attitude also just didnt seem to be....aligned. I was a strong DH supporter. Im not a fan of hiring+firing coaches after a few years, as it takes 5 years historically for any coach to build a program. Our utter disaster in 2017 when Grier got hurt and the next QB was absolutely horrible. Then, 2018 ending in complete disaster, and losing to Syracuse, only scoring 17 points, which was a perfect indication of the next season. IT was time to move on. DH had plenty of time to show his ceiling, ability to build, etc... DH was a decent coach. He did have some success here, but my personal thoughts is he's not the type of HC WVU needs in order to obtain a more consistent higher level of play. I think we found the type of coach we need, we just have to be patient and give him time to implement the various types of change needed to take us where we want to be as a program. To get back in an "UP" cycle... [/QUOTE]
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