Dawson a candidate for HC at ULM?
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Kentucky Football: launching pad to the Sun Belt.
Bill Curry: Georgia State
Neal Brown: Troy
Shannon Dawson: ULM?
Bill Curry: Georgia State
Neal Brown: Troy
Shannon Dawson: ULM?
I'll just leave this here:
Cons: For all the success WVU enjoyed with Dawson as offensive coordinator, Holgorsen was the man running that side of the ball. Kentucky’s offense isn’t exactly the greatest show on turf this year with Dawson calling the plays. The Wildcats are scoring 21.4 points per-game, 109th in the FBS, and their 362.9 average in total offense is 99th. Dawson’s base salary at Kentucky is $550,000 —almost $200,000 more than Berry made in 2014.
Thoughts: The potential long-term job security of Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops could be a factor here, but so could money. It’s very doubtful ULM could approach the kind of pay day Dawson is already receiving at Kentucky. The best strategy ULM could take here is to sell the opportunity to be a head coach and the chance to get out of a situation that could go south at in Lexington. Of course it’s also fair to point out the ‘Cat’s offensive struggles under Dawson are part of the reason for their struggles.
Cons: For all the success WVU enjoyed with Dawson as offensive coordinator, Holgorsen was the man running that side of the ball. Kentucky’s offense isn’t exactly the greatest show on turf this year with Dawson calling the plays. The Wildcats are scoring 21.4 points per-game, 109th in the FBS, and their 362.9 average in total offense is 99th. Dawson’s base salary at Kentucky is $550,000 —almost $200,000 more than Berry made in 2014.
Thoughts: The potential long-term job security of Kentucky head coach Mark Stoops could be a factor here, but so could money. It’s very doubtful ULM could approach the kind of pay day Dawson is already receiving at Kentucky. The best strategy ULM could take here is to sell the opportunity to be a head coach and the chance to get out of a situation that could go south at in Lexington. Of course it’s also fair to point out the ‘Cat’s offensive struggles under Dawson are part of the reason for their struggles.
UK cannot have a revolving door OC situation and progress as a program. I don't know if Dawson is UK's answer but changing OCs every year isn't. Seriously doubt he'd be considered but he probably will get a HC job at some point.
I'm beginning to wonder if Dawson is the problem here. This would be 2 Air Raid OC's in 3 years. Dawson and Brown averaged over 80 plays on Offense on the stop before they got to KY. Now we are somewhere in the middle 60's.in terms of plays run during a game.. So now we are saying both guys decided the day they got here to stop doing what had made them successful and run over 20% less plays on offense. Something odd about that.. Just saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,
We run less plays because we can't convert 1st downs. There are a lot of factors that go into this offense's terrible performance this year. It's a culmination of poor play calling, poor line play, poor qb play, poor wr play. There is plenty of blame to go around. If not for Boom this offense's numbers would be even worse.
We can only hope this actually happens. Dawson seems incompetent and I get the feeling Stoops will never fire him.
Need a guy that has sec experience. It's a different story going from the big 12 to the sec. Very little D is played in the big 12 and thus much more plays are going to be run. The D in the sec is second to none compared to the rest of the country. These OC's are findig that out rather quickly when they come in.
lets hope he goes. If you are running Air Raid than these guys are dime a dozen, might help to get one the next time that has actually called plays on a FBS team. Brown was limited due to youth, bad personnel etc.. I cut him slack.
Dawson has turned this offense into a dumpster fire, It is bad. QB's have reverted, OL is put in bad situations due to play calling, terrible 1st down averages, longest 3rd of any team in SEC to convert. That is coaching.
This team has playmakers, OL has blocked well enough at times, some of it was just terrible situation FB, QB's running out of pocket etc..
Stoops has to find a guy he trusts and wants to run. Dawson has not merited Stoops taking the kid gloves off. Doesn't seem like he has that acute awareness that all great play callers have.
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Dawson has turned this offense into a dumpster fire, It is bad. QB's have reverted, OL is put in bad situations due to play calling, terrible 1st down averages, longest 3rd of any team in SEC to convert. That is coaching.
This team has playmakers, OL has blocked well enough at times, some of it was just terrible situation FB, QB's running out of pocket etc..
Stoops has to find a guy he trusts and wants to run. Dawson has not merited Stoops taking the kid gloves off. Doesn't seem like he has that acute awareness that all great play callers have.
IMO
Heard a guy on ESPN today talking about Lincoln Riley, new OC at OU. Was just raving about him, said he's one of these guys you see who seems to think on a different level from most coaches. So we got that going for us.......
What's funny is people (including me) were saying the same thing about hoping Troy would take Brown. Let's say Dawson gets the gig. All I'm hoping is Stoops is smart enough or isn't forced into hiring another air raid diciple.
Yes, there is a lot of blame to go around but after two air raid guys with a head coach that is more ball control and defense orientied, with the same problems for years, I'm starting to think it's a philosophy issue. This team is a mixed bag on offense and has no identity. I don't think it's a coincidence that you've had 2 different philosophies on offense in a head coach and the OC & you continue to struggle to find an identity.
Yes, there is a lot of blame to go around but after two air raid guys with a head coach that is more ball control and defense orientied, with the same problems for years, I'm starting to think it's a philosophy issue. This team is a mixed bag on offense and has no identity. I don't think it's a coincidence that you've had 2 different philosophies on offense in a head coach and the OC & you continue to struggle to find an identity.
Is it possible it's not confused coaching or an undeveloped philosophy/identity, and maybe it's just poor line play and inconsistent quarterbacking?
First off, I think Dawson will be retained for another year, especially if we look good with Barker.
I'm all for assistant coaches taking jobs to help further and advance their careers. I also think the OC job here may be better than the head coaching job at UL-M. BUT, if he were to leave, after one year and taking a pay cut, that would really make me wonder about our OCs relationships with Stoops.
If you think Stoops doesn't micromanage our OCs, just watch a game. We've had two OC's hired who were responsible for top 15 or so offenses before getting here. I know our personnel hasn't been the best the past couple of years, but what we see our offense running compared to what Brown and Dawson/Holgerson did before getting here couldn't be any more different. Stoops doesn't want a high tempo high offense, he has made that pretty obvious. If he did, he would let Dawson go at the tempo he wants.
A person that makes a ton of sense to me that will be open here soon is James Coley at Miami. He's an experienced guy who is not from the "air raid" tree. Stoops doesn't want to run an up tempo offense so I don't know why he keeps hiring guys who do and then tell them, "nope, you're slowing it down and running it my way." Coley runs a multiple offense, a lot of shotgun/pistol but incorporates the TE a lot. Plus, another recruiter in south Florida never hurts.
I'm all for assistant coaches taking jobs to help further and advance their careers. I also think the OC job here may be better than the head coaching job at UL-M. BUT, if he were to leave, after one year and taking a pay cut, that would really make me wonder about our OCs relationships with Stoops.
If you think Stoops doesn't micromanage our OCs, just watch a game. We've had two OC's hired who were responsible for top 15 or so offenses before getting here. I know our personnel hasn't been the best the past couple of years, but what we see our offense running compared to what Brown and Dawson/Holgerson did before getting here couldn't be any more different. Stoops doesn't want a high tempo high offense, he has made that pretty obvious. If he did, he would let Dawson go at the tempo he wants.
A person that makes a ton of sense to me that will be open here soon is James Coley at Miami. He's an experienced guy who is not from the "air raid" tree. Stoops doesn't want to run an up tempo offense so I don't know why he keeps hiring guys who do and then tell them, "nope, you're slowing it down and running it my way." Coley runs a multiple offense, a lot of shotgun/pistol but incorporates the TE a lot. Plus, another recruiter in south Florida never hurts.
^I disagree. Stoops said before he hired Brown that he does want the Air Raid offense and that one that goes up tempo at times. Heck, Stoops has even hired 2 Air Raid guys.....I think it's pretty clear that he wants to run it. I just don't think we've been able to execute plays slow......which means up tempo is certainly off the board.
The personnel has been dreadful since Stoops took over. It's improving but it was dreadful. Brown threw it 44% of the time in yr one. 48% of the time in yr 2. 51% of the time in yr 3 (Dawson). And I would argue that the passing would be higher already if we could protect, pass, or catch. But, unfortunately, the only thing we've been able to do with fair consistency is run the ball.
I don't think Dawson leaves. I don't think he's one of the better candidates that's on ULM's list. That's not a shot against his performance this past yr, but more to say that I think ULM will go after someone that has a better resume at this time. If Dawson continues to trend he'll get a HC position before too long.
The personnel has been dreadful since Stoops took over. It's improving but it was dreadful. Brown threw it 44% of the time in yr one. 48% of the time in yr 2. 51% of the time in yr 3 (Dawson). And I would argue that the passing would be higher already if we could protect, pass, or catch. But, unfortunately, the only thing we've been able to do with fair consistency is run the ball.
I don't think Dawson leaves. I don't think he's one of the better candidates that's on ULM's list. That's not a shot against his performance this past yr, but more to say that I think ULM will go after someone that has a better resume at this time. If Dawson continues to trend he'll get a HC position before too long.
And my argument would be that we haven't even tried to go up tempo. I know the personnel was bad and is getting better, but we haven't even tried to do anything that resembles a tempo. I think it would definitely help the offensive line out.
Another thing, which would you feel better about: our offense going up tempo and trying to outscore people or going like we are and relying on our defense to try to hold people to below 30?
I mean, our defense isn't going to stop people consistently. We might as well let the offense loose and keep us in games.
Don't think Shannon will leave after one season. IMO very mediocre o. line play is the culprit for offensive coordinator and quarterback woes!
JMO, but Dawson hasn't really demonstrated anything to justify consideration for a HC job anywhere. With all due respect to ULM, their HC board must be pretty bare if Dawson is this high on their list.
With CMS micro-managing the OC play calls, finding a real good OC will be problematic. The play caller needs to be the man on offense, with no static from the HC, at least during the game.
If there are differences in opinion, they should be worked out during the week leading up to the game !
If there are differences in opinion, they should be worked out during the week leading up to the game !
If we had an offense that could do anything to score points....whether up tempo, slow, or otherwise.....anyone would be in favor of that. If we could score points we would. If you have an offense that struggles to execute, going up-tempo usually makes it worse.
Stoops isn't dumb. Does anyone truly think that he's sitting back saying, "Ok, we've only scored 10 pts....that should be enough. Let's slow it down and play defense."?
Meanwhile, both Mike and Bob Stoops (both defensive guys) have gone out of their way to bring in explosive Lincoln Riley offense to Oklahoma. Mark emulates his brothers quite a bit......which is probably why he's hired 2 different Air Raid guys. Yeah, Mark wants to run a power rush, low tempo offense. (Eye roll)
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Dawson has been a disappointment. Talked all off season about being physical. Hasn't happened yet. Now the O-line is average at best, but he knew this going in. Didn't use Towles in the run as much as he should have imo.
Stoops has his handprint on these offenses. He is a defensive guy and has made comments in the past about wanting to establish a power running game into the air raid. This offense doesn't much resemble what Leach is running. We had an all American tight end here when we ran air raid in the 90s and the last three years we have forgotten we have a tight end. Lots more passes to the backs and quick hits to the wide outs back then too. I really don't know what this is. The pass /run ratio is off too.
^Stoops has never said that he wanted to establish a "power run game." He has said that he wants a fairly balanced Air Raid offense that is flexible according to personnel. Basically like what Oklahoma State and West Virginia run......hence why he hired 2 different Air Raid OC's.