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The easiest, no effort required, good coach falls into your lap, SEC hire in any sport I can remember is Nutt to UM last year. The ease of the Cohen hire for Byrne is not even close. What obstacles had to be overcome in the 10 minutes it took for Boone to decide to offer the job to Nutt and him to accept? Compared to that, the Mullen hire is a coup.

We know that part of Byrne's popular image is the contrast to his predecessor. But the wet blanket over our approval of his work so far is ridiculous and smack's of . . . something. Envy? Whatever it is, if your response was apathy, then we would know that we were in the same "know our role" position of most of the last 50 years.
 
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mabtsdawg

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The easiest, no effort required, good coach falls into your lap, SEC hire in any sport I can remember is Nutt to UM last year. The ease of the Cohen hire for Byrne is not even close. What obstacles had to be overcome in the 10 minutes it took for Boone to decide to offer the job to Nutt and him to accept? Compared to that, the Mullen hire is a coup.

We know that part of Byrne's popular image is the contrast to his predecessor. But the wet blanket over our approval of his work so far is ridiculous and smack's of . . . something. Envy? Whatever it is, if your response was apathy, then we would know that we were in the same "know our role" position of most of the last 50 years.
 
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Mullen is not a coup. Whether or not he is a good hire is yet to be determined, but this is not a coup. When a BCS school hires a coordiantor who has never been a head coach, it is just not a coup.

As for Byrne, I think he has the potential to be a good AD. He has good energy and he has shown he will make his own descions and not be influenced by others. I think the Cohen hire was a pretty logical hire. I don't think it's something only he could have done. I feel the same way about the Mullen hire.

Byrne's legacy is yet to be determined. If Cohen and Byrne fall on their faces in the next several years (please don't take this as me saying they are going to. I think Cohen will be a good coach for ya'll. I don't know about Mullen, I want to see his staff and see him coach before I declare that), then Byrne won't have such a great legacy anymore. In the end, it will always be about results.
 
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in case you don't remember. Hell, Pete Carroll was USC's fourth or fifth choice I think.

Being a "coup" is in no way related to how it pans out in the end.
 
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that even after several good seasons and bowls under Cutcliffe, when they fired him they had such a hard time finding a coach that they settled for a college defensive line coach. I wonder what the coaching search would have been like for Ole Miss if Nutt hadn't fallen into their lap, considering the debacle that was Coach O.
 
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mabtsdawg

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I do not believe the Mullen hire is, on its own, a coup, except compared to the no effort required by Boone hiring of Nutt last year. Is that so hard to comprehend?

I do believe that Mullen is a good hire, especially for 1.2 million. I made the comparison of the Cohen/Mullen hires to Nutt's hire because of how often we are hearing from the Reb fans that the Cohen hiring was so easy--Byrne hasn't done anything. I feel no need to justify my approval of Byrne's job so far, but I don't mind defending it. It is certainly much different for me to be defending the actions of the MSU AD.
 
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and <17> your subtle downplaying of all things good MSU. Can't talk yourself out of the truth, pal.
 
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but even I wouldn't call it a coup. A coup is something like Bama pulled off getting guy that has a NC ring and bringinghim back into the same conference he did that. I wouldn't even consider Petersen a coup because he's never coached or recruited in the SEC or even been in a BCS conference but would have considered his hiring a notch above Mullen. With that being said though, CP was always an extreme longshot for us and pulling HCs from their current schools if they are big time names like CP or GP is getting to be nearly impossible except for the very elite programs. All I will say is that given our circumstance over the past 8 years, this was a big time sales job by Byrne and he is to be commended. Mullen would have been a VERY hot commodity over the next 2 or 3 years and I feel like we beat some others to the punch.
 
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mabtsdawg

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I do not believe the Mullen hiring is a coup. I tried to make the point, that I actully felt would be interesting to most folks here, that the easiest SEC hire I've ever seen is Nutt to UM, not Cohen to MSU or Mullen to MSU. Apparently, I used the wrong word in my comparative effort to argue the ease of the Nutt hire.
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would be akin to ya'll hiring Tuberville once he resigned from Auburn. That would've been the first call I would've made if I were the AD (maybe he did, I don't know). Mullen may work out fine, but you can't underestimate the advantages of having someone with 10-12 years of SEC experience under his belt when he takes the job. We got lucky with Nutt, because outside of him (based on who else we were considering), we would not be where we are today. To be clear, Fulmer would not have been an option.
 
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and instead try to read something ridiculous into his post that isn't there. Very Rick Cleveland like.

You stated that when a BCS school hires a coordinator it is not a coup. Therefore, DAA stated that you must not consider Stoops, Richt, and Leach as coups. Can you follow the logic now?
 
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While I often make fun of MSU, I have never actually feared for it's academic integrity until I read your posts in this thread. I cannot even classify it as stupid, because even stupid posts require coherence and logic at some level.

Please, please tell me that the nurses left you alone in the Day Room without your medication and you somewhat managed to log on without anyone knowing.
 
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mabtsdawg

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All I will ask of you is that you offer some reasoning that what I wrote is not true. Some Rebs have posted here that Byrne is doing nothing especially noteworthy in the performance of his duties. They have cited as evidence the ease of the Cohen hire. While I will admit that bringing up an SEC hire that I believe was easier does not give the Cohen hire more credit, I thought it was within the context of the conversation to point out that Boone's hiring of Nutt was actually much more of a fall-in-the-lap/no-brainer type of hire.

If you can't follow this line of thinking, then our conversation is over.</p>
 
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How is it a coup? Are you saying Mullen was/is a better hire than Nutt or are you saying Ole Miss couldn't have hired a high school coach if Nutt hadn't "fallen" in our lap?

Mullen is a good hire he will generate excitement and possibly instill an offense at MSU. To call it a Coup before he has coached a season let alone a game and before he even gets his staff in place is jumping the gun.
 
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mabtsdawg

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some Rebs seem to have a need to try to rain on our Byrne/Cohen/Mullen parade. Nobody is claiming you should send the Egg trophy over to us because of our great AD. On the field is what counts. Hopefully, we're getting prepared to do a lot better on the field.
 
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To see what was being said, since I think the white helmet looks sharp. But you really need to take some reality pills if you think anyone envies your new coach. I'm not saying it's not a good hire. But why would we envy a guy who hasn't head coached yet? That's just dumb.
 
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and your coup. We'll see how it works out for you. As for the best-hire in America contest.....congratulations, I guess.
 
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mabtsdawg

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By "coup" I mean hiring somebody that would historically and situationally be almost impossible to convince to take the job. Perhaps I chose the wrong word. I think Nutt was the good, logical hire for UM and I think that UM was a logical, and most importantly, timely place for Nutt to land. I attempted to COMPARE the efforts required by the 2 AD directors repsectively.

I did not intend to claim that in the general landscape of college football that the Mullen hire is a "coup." Though with our history, it seems to me to be a pretty good job by Byrne.</p>
 
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they turned out to be great hires, but at the time, no one thought those hires were going to turn out like that. Oklahoma didn't have to do a lot of recruiting to get Bob Stoops there. UGA didn't have to do a lot to get Mark Richt there.

Alabama hiring Nick Saban was a coup. North Carolina hiring Butch Davis was a coup. Those are coups.
 
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That's like saying, "I cooked my on cheeseburger....I understand that I didn't win any culinary awards with it, but someone picked up a cheeseburger from Mugshots and dropped it off at your house.......so me cooking my own cheeseburger is a coup compared to you getting lucky and having one fall into your lap.

I swear to God, this place is turning into Gene's Page........
 
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mabtsdawg said:
All I will ask of you is that you offer some reasoning that what I wrote is not true. Some Rebs have posted here that Byrne is doing nothing especially noteworthy in the performance of his duties. .</p>
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That's the point. Byrne isn't doing anything noteworthy. He's just doing what any decent AD should do. It just seems spectacular to most MSU fans because you've dealt with LT for so long that common sense decisions and effort seem like exemplary qualities.

Hiring Cohen was a good hire, but it was a hire that most other ADs not named LT would've made.
Firing Croom was a good move, but it was a move that most other ADs not named LT would've made.
Hiring a solid coordinator as your football coach was a solid move, but it was a move that most other ADs not named LT would've made.

You see the trend here? It's not that we think he's doing a bad job. Most of us just think that the intense man love is a little over the top. I see where it is coming from since LT is your reference point, but all Byrne has done so far is what any decent AD would've done.
 
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