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Dear Tyler Russell, MOVE YOUR 17ING FEET IN THE POCKET!!!!!

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You look like a statue back there; keeping your feet planted the whole time you're in the pocket gives away which direction you are intending to throw the ball. Look at the Greats (Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers), they all SHUFFLE THOSE FEET. I'm not saying you need to be a Brees/Brady/etc. but it would help to have those quick feet when you need to shift to throw in another direction.

How has this not been a larger issue?
 
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mcdawg22

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LonesomeDog said:
You look like a statue back there; keeping your feet planted the whole time you're in the pocket gives away which direction you are intending to throw the ball. Look at the Greats (Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers), they all SHUFFLE THOSE FEET. I'm not saying you need to be a Brees/Brady/etc. but it would help to have those quick feet when you need to shift to throw in another direction.

How has this not been a larger issue?
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There is this guy named Marino. That was the same way. I hate those statues. You do realize that "happy feet" used to be a knock on QB's, because planting allowed for more accurate, consistent throws. The reason Peyton went after Leaf was because of happy feet. The problem is we ran an offense that favors the fleet footed, with a 2/3 second window for release. So Russell looks unimpressive, now take Russell's footwork vs this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...4YGADQ&usg=AFQjCNGW4ulLOkjqCNVn_Dpl-dVn3rhWxg and he will make noise. Let's hope it happens next year.
 
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Yeah. No one has talked about TR focusing on one receiver and lacking mobility.
 
mcdawg22

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Yep, I am an idiot, I remember thinking somebody made a bad move and

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Peyton Mannng was taken before Leaf.
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It was taking Leaf over Moss. My entire argument is shot down and I will stay on a 8 month suspension when it comes to QB mechanics.
Addendum: Please be advised newcomers to six pack, just because I have admitted to stupidity to a Bear, that does not signify that I myself am a bear. Luckily that statement has thrown you off my trail so I can proceed with all of my Rebel Alliance ******** in secret.
 
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Rebels7

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Your argument is still valid, but the game is different

mcdawg22 said:
It was taking Leaf over Moss. My entire argument is shot down and I will stay on a 8 month suspension when it comes to QB mechanics.
Addendum: Please be advised newcomers to six pack, just because I have admitted to stupidity to a Bear, that does not signify that I myself am a bear. Luckily that statement has thrown you off my trail so I can proceed with all of my Rebel Alliance ******** in secret.
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Pocket passing/play action was much more prevelant in the late '90's than it is now. Hell, even the pros have evolved since then. Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, and others are no longer the prototype QB, even for the NFL.
 
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This is not correct. There may be a little fad in the NFL right now, but it won't stay that way.
 
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MStateFan22

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One could argue that Brady stands pretty calmly in the pocket when he doesn't get rid of it quickly and/or has a nice pocket.
 
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Holy ****, in my research I found out Jeff Saturday was undrafted the same year.

Rebels7 said:
Pocket passing/play action was much more prevelant in the late '90's than it is now. Hell, even the pros have evolved since then. Troy Aikman, Dan Marino, and others are no longer the prototype QB, even for the NFL.
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Maybe this is common knowledge amongst others but I never knew that.
 
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The problem with Russell is the clock in his head is about 3

LonesomeDog said:
Tyler Russell can remain calm and move around in the pocket. I just want him to show some kind of footwork.

Brady moves around to get out of trouble, but even when he's not evading rushers he is bouncing up and down, moving his feet. Source:Tom Brady 2012 Highlights - YouTube
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seconds off when it comes to real SEC game speed. He stands back there and does well against **** defenses, and thinks he can do the same against the better SEC defenses. Instead of taking what available, he waits, and waits, and either takes a sack or makes a bad decision. He did this more times than I can count in the last 5 games. He needs to start getting rid of ball quicker.

Side note: what the 17 happened to our screen passing ge to Perkins the last half of the year? We hardly ever ran it after it had worked so well. This could have been part of our woes down the stretch.
 
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Blows my mind how MSU fans think regarding our QBs. History just repeats itself over and over. The only thing holding Russell back against the better teams on the schedule was faulty OL play. That will be shored up this year.

He's a great QB, and he gives it his all. You all really need to shut the **** up about him and just support him. It's a damn shame how many QBs we have booed off the field in Starkville. An even worse shame that Russell really did have to endure very harsh unwarranted criticism last year.

He'll shut you ungrateful pieces of **** up this fall, bank on that.
 
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It took all of 22 seconds until a highlight of Brady standing still after dropping back. Then again at 1:14. Then i stopped watching.

ETA what RougeDawg was getting it at. It has more to do with the clock in his head and the inability of the receivers to get open.
 
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Heawww said:
This is not correct. There may be a little fad in the NFL right now, but it won't stay that way.
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Just not true at all. This is the golden age of QB's. In one season I get to watch maybe 2 of the top 5 (definitely 10) greatest QB's of all time in Brady and P. Manning and I get to watch Drew Brees break and reset every single passing record ever. We're 3 years removed from seeing another top 10 ever retire (Favre).

You could argue that Wilson, RGIII, Newton, and Kaepernick overshadow all of those guys to younger audiences. Turn on any national or regional NFL show and they're talking about RGIII more than any other QB... and they should. He's incredible. Those guys are a lot more fun to watch for a wider audience, and they utilize positions that are more fun to watch (WR's, RB's, TE's) than the OL's that pocket passers posterize. They're here to stay until the NFL makes the full circle and goes back to a ground and pound style.

I think Tyler's problem is he's being taught 1 on 1 by an old fart who played QB 93 years ago. I'd rather hire a brainiac type of young guy who had success at a lesser level (D3 and wasn't good enough to even sniff the NFL) fresh out of college similar to what we did with Mirando (minus the cheating and getting caught thing) than keep Keonning. That guy sucks at everything he does. The only way I could justify keeping him moving forward is moving back to the wishbone and abandoning the passing game.
 
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This is a Bash TR tread

So, TR needs to move around more in the pocket? Is it because he took one of the lowest sack totals in the nation last year?

TR needs to get rid of the ball faster? If the receivers could get separation. His clock is 3 seconds off? His clock is when he's about to take one in chops. If he did get rid of the ball faster, people would complain that he was scared to hold the ball.

If TR hasn't started developing this aspect by now, I don't want him working on it during the season.

If he only had the "graceful feet" of Wallace, he'd be a lock for the Conerly (or lead the country in INTs).**
 
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Watch Tebow and Leak in the pocket at Florida. Then you'll know where the statue style comes from.

/dangle
 
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Takes fewer sacks, throws fewer picks, throws for more yards, completes a higher percentage, throws for more touchdowns, the team scores more points per game...

...yeah this guy sucks. His feet are terrible. Get him out of there.***

Lonesome, you are one of two things, and neither of them is good.
 
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121Josey said:
...TR needs to get rid of the ball faster? If the receivers could get separation.
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^^^^THIS^^^^^

Who complaining about how long Russell hangs on to the ball have really broken down game film to see how often our receivers get separation but he holds on to the ball? Maybe he does it a lot, but most of what I see when I watched the games live looks like Russell is standing in the pocket like a man taking hits from 300 lb monsters to keep the play alive long enough for his subpar receiving corp to get open. I don't doubt he could improve some in this area because he also took shots when playing subpar defenses, but I don't know what people expect him to do playing against elite SEC defenses when we don't have a ground game that can open up the passing game, we have zero deep threat, and only one of the receivers we play is better than an average SEC receiver.
 
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I think he'll get better

He throws a pretty ball, he is accurate, and for most of the year he made good decisions with it. Great size to see over the line downfield. I feel like the wr corp getting bigger will help this year. He still has malcolm/brandon hill to throw to down the middle. I would like to see us use backs (perk) more catching the ball like we did in '10-'11. screens help with the pass rush, and the qb can feel more at ease with a check down ball. I think Rojo/Chappelle/Morrow can stretch the field a bit more than the last guys. chappelle has real leap ability, and can high point over SEC corners at 6'3" 215, and the boy will straight run block like Hines Ward. Wish we still had bump in the slot with those on the outside.

I hope he'll work on getting it out quicker (he has a long release ala Kerry Collins), disguising his throws a bit more, and feeling the rush a bit better to ease around it some. I don't think I would trade him for many of the other guys in conference. he has tenured experience now, and he is pretty accurate on the run. I would like to see Dak get some play mixed in cause he is such a beast running it. If the oline can give TR 4 secs from snap he can tear some people a new *** from the pocket. he is the best we have ever had no doubt.
 
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Play calling wasnt TR's best friend either, but he's got to...

MStateFan22 said:
It took all of 22 seconds until a highlight of Brady standing still after dropping back. Then again at 1:14. Then i stopped watching.

ETA what RougeDawg was getting it at. It has more to do with the clock in his head and the inability of the receivers to get open.
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recognize the defenses he's going against and make quicker decisions against the upper echelon ones, and take what is given. A 3 yard dump pass is always better than a sack that's a result of waiting for WR's to come open or forcing one into triple coverage 30 yards downfield. He was lulled into a false sense of security early in the season, against ****** defenses, that he could sit back all day, 7 on 7 style, and thread needles against any defense.

Hopefully playing stiff competition early and often this year will force him to take what's given and create positive plays where before he would throw ball away or take a sack. Negative plays are drive killers. I think this is the point most posters are trying to convey, but they aren't saying it directly.

Does anyone have insight on to the absence of our screen game the last half of last season? Did that portion of the Playbook get destroyed in a fire?
 
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We are 2 years removed from Kurt Warner, too. Russell reminds me of him more than anyone else. Kurt had a fantastic arm and got hit a lot, but he lived off timing passes. If russel can refine the clock in his head and his receivers can deliver, timing patterns are the hardest to defend.
 
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