while driving through the state of WV this past weekend to get home I noticed something that kind of confused me. Now I love many things about WV, such as pepperoni rolls, the buckwheat festival, Oliverios and Murials resteraunts, wings ole ect but seeing so many Reble flags just makes me laugh. Not sure that many that live in WV realize that WV broke away from Virginia because they did not want to fight in the side of the confederacy and made the state known as West Virginia. Just helping out here
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maybe the people who put up the flags are not native west virginians. maybe they are from elsewhere, like georgia or florida. or maybe they are actually hipsters...the same people who walk around with che guevara tshirts on trying to make some kind of statement.
Maybe the folks who put up the reble flags are rednecks and are from any state USA. This could be the case since I am sure that Ole Warez.......................has his father's redneck. Me, my wife and all nine of my children sport a mullet hairdo these days...............but it does little to hide the rednecks. I'm just proud to be an Amurakan.
Common misconception, it was more about culture, economics...just watch the video.
http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/west-virginia
If you're referring to the stars and bars that's the battle flag of northern Virgina..most people wouldn't recognize the confederate flag..no I don't display either one.
Most of these same people who fly that flag or wear the t-shirts that say "heritage not hate" couldn't pass a Civil War history test if they tried. For fun, I stopped a guy in a local business who had one of those shirts on and a hat. I asked him 4 questions to justify his "heritage" claim:
1. Name one Confederate general (other than Robert E. Lee).
2. Which state was the first to secede from the Union?
3. Who was the president of the Confederacy?
4. Where was the FIRST capital of the Confederacy?
He was 0-4.....and I laughed and said "nice heritage".
I've lived in the state for 73 years and have seen very few rebel flags here lately. However there are a number of Confederate Memorials throughout. As AZeer said, it was more about culture and economics.
https://sites.google.com/site/wvotherhistory/confederate-monuments-of-west-virginia
Seems stupid to celebrate a bunch of racist losers. Racist, because the Confederacy wanted to perpetuate their slavery culture. Losers, because they got such a royal ***-kicking.
Cool story. Too bad you made the whole thing up. We all know you would have got your *** kicked if you did that in real life.
Careful there ole son. I thought I could take care of my dadgum self until a young feller from Lincoln County put a royal whipping on ole Warez. Yes, we were stinking of gin when he caught me making eyes at his wife. But, he got his revenge just the same. Of course, I'm on the backside of thirty now and have to watch how and where I tread.
The Rebel Flags came out in full force after the Dylan Roof incident last summer. It is the Rednecks saying they think the war will be won sometime in the future.
I get very tired of seeing them.
1st I could care less about the "Reble" flag or really any flag. Symbolism to me isn't in a piece of cloth. Also don't live in the past.
I do want to answer those question just to see if I could do well at confederate trivial pursuit.
1. Albert Pike-"national treasure-book of secrets" movie
2. SC-that's easy. And they were the last state to fly it on their capital lawn.
3. Jefferson Davis-I knew this one from the Dukes of Hazard. It is who jD Hogg was named after. His twin brother was named Abraham Lincoln Hogg. Who says the Dukes were not educational TV?
4. Montgomery-knew this one from an away game at Auburn. Took a tour of the state.
Again I think flags or marching or any of that stuff is crazy. Just get a 2nd job and you'll make more $$$$$ and all problems can be fixed.
I do want to answer those question just to see if I could do well at confederate trivial pursuit.
1. Albert Pike-"national treasure-book of secrets" movie
2. SC-that's easy. And they were the last state to fly it on their capital lawn.
3. Jefferson Davis-I knew this one from the Dukes of Hazard. It is who jD Hogg was named after. His twin brother was named Abraham Lincoln Hogg. Who says the Dukes were not educational TV?
4. Montgomery-knew this one from an away game at Auburn. Took a tour of the state.
Again I think flags or marching or any of that stuff is crazy. Just get a 2nd job and you'll make more $$$$$ and all problems can be fixed.
Check your history. The "Stars and Bars" was the first flag of the confederacy. The Battle Flag of Northern Va is actually a square version of the "Southern Cross". The rectangular version of the "Southern Cross" that most people fly was actually the Second Confederate Navy Jack.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
I see quite a few Confederate Navy jacks here in Michigan, where nearly 25% of the male population (and well more than half of the able-bodied men) served in the Union army during the War of Northern Aggression and Southern Inhumanity.
In Michigan, raising the Rebel banner is not about heritage, it's about intolerance. In what is now West Virginia, about 40,000 men served with the Union army and about 20,000 with the Confederate army, so at least there is a possibility of heritage.
In Michigan, raising the Rebel banner is not about heritage, it's about intolerance. In what is now West Virginia, about 40,000 men served with the Union army and about 20,000 with the Confederate army, so at least there is a possibility of heritage.
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Just had to add in another technicality. It was not a civil war by definition. It would have been a civil war if two opposing groups were fighting for control of the entire country. It was actually a failed war for independence. The states that seceded from the USA were trying to form their own country, not take over the entire USA
The pro-Union population of Trans-Alleghany WV at the time off the Civil War was heavily concentrated in the Ohio Valley. In 1860, Wheeling was a city of over 14,000 people. (Charleston was still a small town of about 1500; all of Raleigh County had about 1700 people in 1860). In 1860, over 1/4 of all the people in what became WV lived in the thin band of Ohio River counties between Hancock and Cabell. But, add in the northern counties of the Mon Valley and surrounding areas, and still only something a little over 1/3 of the people lived in strongly (not unanimously) pro-Union territory.
The population of the Eastern Panhandle counties, Greenbrier and Monroe which were all very strongly pro-secession and wanted to stay with Virginia was around 1/4 of the state in 1860. WV got those counties because the Union subdued and occupied them, not because they wanted to be part of the Union or of WV.
Kanawha was more divided but leaned more Confederate than Union, especially among the "elite;" it was also occupied by Union forces mostly from other states. Much of the early fighting over whether the permanent capitol would be in Wheeling or Charleston was a Blue-Gray political battle, and the "South" obviously won that one.
Less than 120,000 lived in the entire remainder of the state and the population of those areas was divided. No question, many people in WV today are descended from people who joined or were sympathetic to the Confederacy. Of course, given how empty most of Central and Southern WV was at the time of the Civil War and that many people moved to WV after the war was over to work in mines, factories, mills, timbering operations and all the industries that either didn't exist or were very small until well after the war was over, and may of today's Wvians don't even have ancestors who lived here at the time of the war.
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The population of the Eastern Panhandle counties, Greenbrier and Monroe which were all very strongly pro-secession and wanted to stay with Virginia was around 1/4 of the state in 1860. WV got those counties because the Union subdued and occupied them, not because they wanted to be part of the Union or of WV.
Kanawha was more divided but leaned more Confederate than Union, especially among the "elite;" it was also occupied by Union forces mostly from other states. Much of the early fighting over whether the permanent capitol would be in Wheeling or Charleston was a Blue-Gray political battle, and the "South" obviously won that one.
Less than 120,000 lived in the entire remainder of the state and the population of those areas was divided. No question, many people in WV today are descended from people who joined or were sympathetic to the Confederacy. Of course, given how empty most of Central and Southern WV was at the time of the Civil War and that many people moved to WV after the war was over to work in mines, factories, mills, timbering operations and all the industries that either didn't exist or were very small until well after the war was over, and may of today's Wvians don't even have ancestors who lived here at the time of the war.
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How many of you feller West Virginians admit to having your father's redneck hiding behind that mullet? I do.
Berkeley and Jefferson counties were added to WV late - and it was a very simple reason - The Federal Government did not want the B&O Railroad to fall into rebel hands.
In 1807, when Congress abolished the slave trade, Wheeling was the second-largest city in Virginia after Richmond.
The prohibition on the importation of slaves helped establish the breeding of slaves as a great industry in Tidewater Virginia.
As wealthy slave breeders gathered more and more political power (in part by voting their slaves), it deepened the rift with the relatively powerless yeoman farmers west of the Blue Ridge in what was called the Transmontane.
The prohibition on the importation of slaves helped establish the breeding of slaves as a great industry in Tidewater Virginia.
As wealthy slave breeders gathered more and more political power (in part by voting their slaves), it deepened the rift with the relatively powerless yeoman farmers west of the Blue Ridge in what was called the Transmontane.
Kinda like my uncle who loves West Virginia so much he wears Bib overalls to every family get together and sings bluegrass (very good at it) but has his rebel flag sticker on his truck. Loves West Virginia and loves the rebel flag. Doesn't even bother thinking about why West Virginia became a state. Its just about being part of a crowd nothing more. My dad taught me " be a leader not a follower"
So is the ISIS flag.....the Nazi flag.......Soviet Union flag.......
What do those three and the Confederate flag all have in common? Murder.....rapes.........need I go on?
I know......................and without the flag(s) these things would have never happened. Warez
That's true & funny I don't care who you are.
Also bad hygiene when it comes to brushing their teeth and wearing deodorant and no taste in music (except the confederate folks).
Aside from these real problem which directly impact people in society, no flags ever bother me (except the one for the state of Maryland cause it looks dumb-something out of King Arthur's court). Like I said, I'm not into symbolism or marching to get attention. Just get a 2nd job to get more $$$$ and your problems go away.
Taking your advice...................I have told my wife and all my girl friends to get a 2nd job. Warez
Did you notice that half of those sporting the rebel flag were also bumping to hip hop music too? Yep...only in WV.
I think it has more to do with people not liking to be told what they can or cannot do rather than people wanting to revive the Confederacy. Tell a little kid not to stick his tongue on a frozen flag pole and you'd better get some water ready to get his tongue unstuck from it. There weren't many rebel flags flying in WV or anywhere else before all the controversy the media whipped up after the Dylan Roof incident. Now it's all over the place. Makes good stuff for the networks to fill the spaces between commercials too.
I'm not into flags, but if someone would get creative and come up with a universal and worldwide recognized "F U ______ " flag (that is a fIll in the blank to where the protestors could write who they want to "F U") I would Actually watch more protests on CSpan and the news networks.
Also if protests had pole dancers, more people would watch. I mean like why is it that 80s-90s rappers are the only people who use pole dancers in the background when they're trying to get their point across. It is just something to thing about.
Also if protests had pole dancers, more people would watch. I mean like why is it that 80s-90s rappers are the only people who use pole dancers in the background when they're trying to get their point across. It is just something to thing about.
Yes because our own Union didn't rape their slaves and end up having kids with them. It's also not like the Union didn't murder others as well.
Stop....please for the love of God stop......
It wasn't like a slave owner was raping his slaves under the American flag and saluting it while doing the act. The Nazis, Soviets, and crazy ISIS people are/were killing UNDER their flags......
The Rebel flag is one of traitors, and flying it is condoning and supporting treason.
You guys can debate (in a silly manner) the value of flag worshipping...but I get the best of both worlds.
I don't care when people burn or stomp the American flag but I certainly respect when it's celebrated. When properly represented our flag is a symbol of everyone who helped build our nation (even the Confederates) and our way of life.
You know....we have it pretty good in the USA.....right?
I suppose a piece of cloth representing sound idealism is beneath some of you...but it's not to me.
...and really it is just a big colored sheet... ...depending on your life experiences (and not so much based on intelligence).
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It makes me smile when I see the 'rebel' flag waved proudly.. ...almost laugh.
I don't care when people burn or stomp the American flag but I certainly respect when it's celebrated. When properly represented our flag is a symbol of everyone who helped build our nation (even the Confederates) and our way of life.
You know....we have it pretty good in the USA.....right?
I suppose a piece of cloth representing sound idealism is beneath some of you...but it's not to me.
...and really it is just a big colored sheet... ...depending on your life experiences (and not so much based on intelligence).
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It makes me smile when I see the 'rebel' flag waved proudly.. ...almost laugh.
"Well, if you don't love it.............leave it. Let this song that I'm singing be a warning." If your talking about my country............your walking on the fighting side of me! All folks should be like ............................... Merle Haggard