This is hilarious. Get Nasty has been attacked in many other threads but I haven't been one to do it. Get outta here with this BS. I don't know the guy/gal, so how am I supposed to "not like them"?
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Derryck Thornton Is Going To Give Me An Ulcer
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Now, back to Derryck; I was the one calling out your small sample size of knuckleballs and examples, now you're coming around. The kid is 20-50 from 3, playing with a tight "lease" as PG. I've seen him shoot plenty enough to know he can (see the 50 shots above and plenty of video and 2 games I've been to, especially watching him shoot beautifully before the Elon game). Can he improve his shot? Yep, he can get to 50%, or maybe 100%, but considering he's a late-developing Freshman (regardless of HS year and numerical age), averaging 8.2 ppg, and has basically won Duke two games this year, I'm happy with where he is. As I stated above, others have been on your arse here for the negativity, and it's painfully obvious why.
As for Frank - kid is a stud, but he doesn't have true PG skills yet, not for college anyway. DT will be improved in year 2, and will have the job on lockdown next year.
As for Frank - kid is a stud, but he doesn't have true PG skills yet, not for college anyway. DT will be improved in year 2, and will have the job on lockdown next year.
Sorry if I erred, Crank. I associated you with the constant bickering with Get Nasty. I apologize.
But it does bother me that every time GN posts the thread turns into personal attacks and he gets defensive and it all goes to hell in a handbasket. Forgive me?
OFC
No need to apologize buddy! I do come across aggressively sometimes, I just don't get people picking on these kids, especially ones thrown into the fire, playing with a tight lease.
Have a good night....
I said before the season that Thornton was going to wow you on some nights and other nights you would break your remotes watching him. Unfortunately, I am under wowed and out of remotes. But, he does have the skill set that will make him a valuable asset in the future. And though we aren't that great of a team this year, we are better with him than we would have been without him.
I think we've all been spoiled by what last year's freshman class did, and more specifically, what that class's point guard did. 250-300 D1 programs (or however many) would love for this kid to be their starting point guard, but he unfortunately has to follow in the footsteps of arguably the greatest freshman point in Duke history. I think he'll continue to grow and get better; unfortunately, his struggles and growth can't be masked by surrounding upperclassmen helping him out or a team that is otherwise doing really well. I hope he continues to grow this year and certainly next year with the new recruiting class coming in.
I love me some DT and I happen to be mighty proud he wears that Duke jersey
I didn't start this thread but i've kept it on track. We're talking about dukes potential current and future pg, my concern is his shot. There's things such as driving and finishing that you can improve on but shot form at this stage is tough to change. Like i said, that's my concern. With that said. I along with others think frank is a stud and is better than Thornton right now. He's not a true pg, but Thornton isn't playing like one either.
If you think Thornton has a good shot, say so and I'll be done.
Picking on kids? They're not kids. They're paid to play. Although not as much as they could be. They're adults. They're potentially a few months away from being multi millionaires.
I already said Thorntons shot is fine - I guess you have been selectively reading yet again.
DT is a kid - not everyone develops at the same pace, and he isn't a few months away from making millions. Your generalizations are part of your inaccurate (and consistently negative) tone. And frank is playing against HS (some very weak) competition, yet WE KNOW he's already better? Fits perfectly with your inconsistent rationale.
DT is a kid - not everyone develops at the same pace, and he isn't a few months away from making millions. Your generalizations are part of your inaccurate (and consistently negative) tone. And frank is playing against HS (some very weak) competition, yet WE KNOW he's already better? Fits perfectly with your inconsistent rationale.
You are the one that's falsifying information. I never said WE KNOW, I said myself and others believe frank is already better. I didn't say thornton was a couple months away from making millions, I said potentially some of the college athletes are and they're the same age as him, heck Ingram is younger I believe. The fact you think he's a kid shows everything I need to know about your take on college sports and what goes on with athletes behind the scenes. College sports has drastically changed, hopefully you'll someday understand that. Do you realize that athletes get checks from schools if they live off campus? Do you realize they get paid every time they're on the road? Doesn't seem like something that "kids" typically go through. I get they're probably a kid to you from an age difference, but again, the game has changed. These "kids" are making business decisions in HS with the college they choose. They have a team around them to guide them through college to the league. It's insane to see the entourage some have.
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Now you're just arguing semantics. While a lot has changed since I was in college 16 years ago, I was, for all intents and purposes, a kid. We're technically considered adults, but I know few people who didn't consider themselves kids as 18- and 19-year-old students. I got paid working in the student union too....didn't make me an adult. I was also paid to mow lawns in high school. Again....not an adult.
Come on, Crank is using the word "Kid" as a reason we shouldn't be allowed to critique college players. We're talking about his shot and he's getting fired up because i'm stating he has a bad shot right now and I shouldn't be saying that because he's a "kid". Have you had the chance to talk to a scout on a personal level? I know most scouting reports of players in HS or college are put out to the public in a politically correct manner, but if you've had the chance to talk to a scout in person they are brutally honest. The point i'm making is we're not making personal attacks on someones health, well being, or degrading people. Myself and others are critiquing players play. If I blasted a UNC's players skills way worse than I have any duke player it would get laughed at, tons of likes, etc. But if you critique a duke player some posters want to slap your wrist. Both teams players are just "kids". If you disagree with me on his shot, no problem, lets talk about it. But if you can't debate it then don't blast my opinion.
Also, I bet in 20 years when you look back on yourself now, you'll probably consider yourself a "kid". The kid reference when looking back is typically a maturity, experience, etc reference and most of us continue to mature and gain a lot more experiences with time.
Crank said he thinks Thornton's shot is fine. I would then like to know what he considers fine? Can he make it to the league with his current shot? Do you think his percentages will continue to decrease? IF his shot is not his biggest weakness, what is? If he doesn't make major improvements do you think Frank has a good chance to start over him?
This all stems from me trying to think what this teams needs to win a championship. Probably not going to happen this year, but with improved PG play we could have a really good shot next year. I hope he makes major improvements next year, but even with improvements Frank has a chance. Frank is a really really good player, he's an NBA PG in the Westbrook mold. I just think it's going to be hard keeping him off the floor if he's mentally ready. Maybe allen goes pro after this year and you'll see both Thornton and Frank on the court at times.
Thornton knows he needs to improve, you can see he wants it, and the few pre games i've seen he's been really working hard at his shot. It's just hard to change your form mid season let alone at all.
This all stems from me trying to think what this teams needs to win a championship. Probably not going to happen this year, but with improved PG play we could have a really good shot next year. I hope he makes major improvements next year, but even with improvements Frank has a chance. Frank is a really really good player, he's an NBA PG in the Westbrook mold. I just think it's going to be hard keeping him off the floor if he's mentally ready. Maybe allen goes pro after this year and you'll see both Thornton and Frank on the court at times.
Thornton knows he needs to improve, you can see he wants it, and the few pre games i've seen he's been really working hard at his shot. It's just hard to change your form mid season let alone at all.
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and again, nice value add. You have a really good theme going. Can't talk basketball on this board with everyone. Some want unicorns and rainbows.
This board is getting as dramatic as facebook.
No but dude sometimes you gotta let stuff go.. People don't agree with you on here really ever and then u get upset and rile people up... I'd say you're a major contributor on the Facebook group aren't u?
I've said previously in this thread that I agree with you....his shot needs work. IMO, to be a really good player in college it must improve.
I critique our players all the time, but I try not to come across as a pompous ***. That's an area where you could improve. The thing with you is that you don't really discuss it....you tell it from the angle that it can only be the right thing. Then if someone challenges you on it, you resort having played, dunked on people, and now the new one....you've talked to scouts. It's not an endearing quality.
And this is a Duke board, in case you didn't know. So naturally you're going to get a little more push back than you would of a player at another program. That's common sense.
To the bolded part, that's exactly what you do to people on this board.
Get Nasty, I understand what it's like being a collegiate athlete as I was one, and no I didn't play "professionally" but I understand that some kids develop slower than others (pointing to your poor example of Ingram being technically younger). You argue to argue, you ***** to *****, and now I see why people have hammered you on other threads. I'll take the advice of Duke Denver here in utilizing the ignore button. Congrats on continuing to be a narrow-minded complainer; I hope you start to see some bright spots in some of these KIDS.
If you consider what I do as degrading people, what do you consider what Dattier does on this board? Look at his comment on a completely fair post today on the ingram/simmons thread. There's clearly a double standard going on. I admit i can be a prick at times. But my intent is not that. It's just confusing how far apart my opinion is vs most long time posters on the board. I watch games and go to games with other duke friends and we have the exact same discussions and everyone is on the same page, believe it or not i'm typically the quiet one lol. Then I come and see comments on this board and at times i feel like we're watching two different games/teams.
Dukiejay, the dunk comment was a complete joke and i've stated that multiple times. About talking to a scout, i'm sure you have any most have on this board as they're all over. I was just making a point that these "kids" get unbelievably blunt criticism, much more than I or anyone else on this board is giving the board.
Sorry to interrupt the club.
Sometimes you have to remember you are writing on a message board. Just like email..sometimes what you write is read differently than your own intent while writing it. You get to put it into your own context or tone..how you think they mean it....
It's why I don't communicate over email with parents in my own program and choose to do it face to face if they have questions or concerns. A lesson learned over time that's for sure.
Sometimes it's just good to remember that and not always be so quick to want to argue back and forth. I've certainly been guilty that's for sure.
Maybe because I don't do it professionally this board allows me a release of sorts in that way sometimes..I don't know. But it's good to remember we are all on the same side..and while opinions differ..we all are pulling for our team..our coach.
It's why I don't communicate over email with parents in my own program and choose to do it face to face if they have questions or concerns. A lesson learned over time that's for sure.
Sometimes it's just good to remember that and not always be so quick to want to argue back and forth. I've certainly been guilty that's for sure.
Maybe because I don't do it professionally this board allows me a release of sorts in that way sometimes..I don't know. But it's good to remember we are all on the same side..and while opinions differ..we all are pulling for our team..our coach.
Anyways, would you all rather have a healthy Amile this year or a sophmore Tyus Jones (and no Amile)?
Guard play wins in March but Amile gives us so many second shots. It's a tough one. I think I would rather have Tyus this year with DT backing him up and learning from him.
Guard play wins in March but Amile gives us so many second shots. It's a tough one. I think I would rather have Tyus this year with DT backing him up and learning from him.
For the sake of not having my intent for this thread misconstrued, I was merely venting about how Derryck plays too rushed at times. I'm thrilled he's a Blue Devil, and I have no doubt he's going to make big strides over the coming years. I just wish he would slow down this season and not force things as much.
C'mon Mark. You knew this would turn into a bickering fest. You aren't allowed to say anything remotely critical about one of your own around here. No matter how true it is. I enjoy this board a lot. But the sensitivity of some is quite juvenile.
Thornton makes poor decisions.
Matt Jones not playing like our experienced leader.
Plumlee suffers from Jekyll and Hyde syndrome.
Kennard is like the prop in a magician's show. Now you see me, now you don't.
Those comments, I believe are true but will piss some people off. Saying these things does not make you less of a Duke fan.
Even with all of the negatives, I still love our team and wholeheartedly believe that they will find their grove and make something out of the year.
I coach in Richmond Va a Swim Team called Quest Swimming.
Not basketball if that's what you thought.
We have 250 kids in our program ages 6-18...a masters program of about 30..and a growing lesson program.
I work with an absolutely Amazing coach who has taught me everything. He's kinda the Coach K of swimming...a truly amazing person and coach. Wish I would of had a coach like him growing up!!
I swam in college and was a 8 Time All-American. Never thought I'd actually coach it though...met my wife at NCAA's and she was a 10 time All American.
I'll be taking 6 kids to OLY Trials in July...if anyone happens to be there.
Turns out it's my life...
I'm kinda with you LetsGoDuke301 in that you do need be careful with what you say, choose your words carefully, just as you should, particularly around a few on the board who are not mods but feel its their self-appointed right to govern when anyone says anything not to their liking. However, they will say the same critical remarks or negative remarks about a player or the team when they choose to. I usually just laugh about them to myself, let it roll off and carry on so I don't get into pissing contest like we are having on this very post.
Mark said nothing wrong. I thought he approached the subject well. Thornton does make poor decisions sometimes. He does need a little work on his shot, IMO. But he's also done some things really well.
I actually think Matt has played pretty well. He went through a little slump there for a while and took a couple bad shots in situations where he shouldn't have, but he's also being asked to do some things out of necessity that don't play to his specific strengths. The first of which is trying to guard point guards. Matt's a good defender, despite what people say, but he doesn't have the quickness to guard traditional, quick guys handling the ball.
Well, Plumlee really did come on until conference play started. He had moments in the preseason, but I was more frustrated with him then than I am now. Did anyone think a month ago someone would make a Jekyll and Hyde reference about Marshall? I think it points to how far he's come that anyone is even doing that.
Hard to argue a lot on Kennard. Seems more times than not he's either really good, or just kind of disappears. I've never seen a kid look so good as what he did in that Notre Dame game, and then two days later look timid and completely out of sorts against Syracuse.
As for the comments....I don't have a problem with them. You may think them to be true, but sometimes everyone else might not. That happens on message boards. It doesn't make you less of a fan, and it doesn't make the other person a homer. It just means the two of you might view things different.
Agreed about both. He did seem to disappear for a few games there. Glad he's been playing better the past two games.
Looking at it now, I see I did a piss poor job with my words. But I was definitely being sarcastic with my comment to Mark.
I do like your outlook on our players and mostly I was making a point on comments that get ridiculed by some on this board. Like I said, I enjoy this board and win or lose, I will always love Duke.