Taking a turn when your lost doesn't mean you're headed the right way. If you're lost, then the way you were going might be right as well. Do I think we need to turn? Yes. But it's dangerous to make a drastic change.
DeVos--Trump had a country full of qualified administrators with strong education background....
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You're a f'ucking liar, again. You just think you can say whatever you want and people will believe you.
You're a f'ucking liar, again. You just think you can say whatever you want and people will believe you.
Liar, strong words coming from a racist.
Here is the CBS report:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/
I'm not sure I understand dangerous turn? We have Charter Schools across the country. We know what is good and bad about them. We have voucher programs across the country. We have evidence of both. We have school choice across the country. These are not dangerous or radical concepts. And we have experimental evidence on their performance.
We have to shake up the current system because it is failing far, far too many students, particularly minority students.
Agreed. So charter schools, magnet schools, vocational schools, home schools...whatever options Parents given a choice can utilize that works best for their kids is what we should pursue. More choice, more options, more competition.
Let's give Parents vouchers, and allow their dollars to shape the marketplace and follow those programs, administrators, academic charters, and educational missions that best serve the student's needs and meet the Parent's wishes.
One size fits all doesn't work in restaurants, hotels, housing, fashion, entertainment, or any other market where competition, creativity and ingenuity drive results.
The Education marketplace should be no different. You'd think the teacher Unions would be as concerned about the kids learning as they are about protecting their jobs, but they don't yet understand their jobs will be protected by delivering outstanding quality educational choices & services to their customers.
DeVos will open up that educational marketplace and foster that competition. Nice part about it is we don't have to spend any more money to do it either, just put the Parents and Teachers in charge of directing those dollars instead of the Unions and bureaucrats.
Win-win
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Wherever minority Parents have been provided choice options through vouchers, they have enthusiastically accepted them and in many cases demanded them. Public or Private charter schools in Washington DC, St. Louis, Baltimore, New York City and Cleveland have opened financed with vouchers and long wait lists of minority students clamoring for admittance have developed. More students than schools available for them.
Just as reliably, Teachers Unions backed by Democrats always stand in the way of expanded choice options & vouchers, insisting minority Parents don't have the ability to know what's best for their kids or can't make the right choices without them (Democrats, Unions) which is extremely insulting as well as dead wrong.
The schools perform almost instantly better than failing Public schools in many of the same areas.
Agreed! The faster most of them are dismantled, or at least reduced to sizes smaller than their ability to do damage, the better off the country will be.
We know how to educate kids without the U.S. Department of Education's "expertise", which has left us with more failing Public schools, massive debt, low graduation rates especially among minority students, along with poor or failing grades among many who are functionally illiterate.
Nice job Feds.
Find one Private or Parochial school in America that's consistently been in operation and doesn't manage to graduate the majority of its students, most if not all of whom can read and in fact do so at highly effective tested rates of literacy and competence?
You'll be looking for a long time, or find those particular schools who aren't doing the above no longer around.
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In this case I will agree with you for the most part. We have to fix our education system. It is badly broken in many places including the city I reside in. The last thing we need is someone married to the status quo. However, I don't like the pay for play scenario that Trump promised to end.
I have family members in public education that are coming unhinged. Frankly, this was long overdue.
Charter schools have benefited inner city children in urban areas where they have been ALLOWED. School vouchers will overwhelmingly benefit inner city children.....but both charter schools and vouchers have been opposed by the current politicized education community.
If they're competent Teachers & administrators they will be needed. If they're worthless pencil pushing bureaucrats or Union leaders standing in the way of reforms, they'll have to find another line of work.
DeVos is going to be awesome with the reforms she will promote and encourage.
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You can't bribe someone who's worth Millions if not Billions of dollars as DeVos is. She doesn't need the job, or anything else being the head of the Education department can bring that she doesn't already have access to...except more schools that work.
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You folks are now suddenly upset about cronyism or "good 'ol boy" politics after the Clinton Foundation's pay for play or State Department payola corruption or Hillary's ties to big Wall Street donors revealed in all of those so called "Russian" sponsored Wiki Leaks?
Really?
Doesn't take long to look up "failing charter schools" on Google and get your results.
I once was on board for privatization of the prison system. I felt that business and government could work together to provide the best option. I was extremely wrong, and I never thought that children would be exploited by our judicial system. This is where my apprehension is derivative from in regards to charter schools, they are subject to driving forces of success in student achievement (which seems good), but with NCLB we saw in Florida that students were pushed out of schools in order to increase achievement. It can happen with Charters as well. It's just something that we should mindful of
Be consistent. Would you have said that if Hillary was elected and rewarded her rich cronies? No you not have been. We have no idea whether or not she will succeed. But we needed to change the course drastically.
I'd agree with this boom...but if we set high standards and more importantly test for and expect results, you will find that we get more of what we're both paying for and encourage than what we're allowing and settling for under the current mandated non competitive system.
We need choice AND competition AND accountability to test for and measure RESULTS. Adjust what works, throw out what doesn't, but keep pushing and raising the bar until more schools succeed than fail, or at least until success is the standard given some will always do better than others.
It's the same in the Auto industry. At one time Americans didn't build very good cars compared to the Japanese or Europeans. The superior competition was driving them out of business.
Enter competition, reorganization, demands from consumers for better choices, more efficient production techniques, better designs of products, and increased emphasis on getting rid of what wasn't working... and now U.S. manufacturers largely equal or in many cases offer superior market choices for automotive consumers.
They didn't get better though by being a monopoly or with no competition from other manufacturers the way most of primary Education is currently offered in this country.
Agreed change was needed. Disagree she took that job for her own personal benefit. She doesn't need the money, she could have just kept doing what she was doing in the Private sector working to improve Education.
Being head of the Department of Education, she can now simply help to speed up the reforms she's been pushing all along.
Hillary was a crony. Trump conned the world into thinking he wasn't, but he's just filling the swamp now.
Testing shouldn't be the measurement. Empower administrators to decide if a teacher is effective or not. If unions were not an issue, bad teachers would be gone and good teachers would remain....a bad teacher would either train to get better or be removed. Administration is almost powerless next to the testing (and btw, good students sometimes test poorly).
Right. Trump's bribing billionaires with low paying Government jobs. Tillerson is so poor he really needed that gig as Secretary of State.
Trump couldn't balance his checkbook without that 400 Grand salary the President earns right?
Is that why he refuses to take a salary?
Testing is the 1st measure boom since there is really no more effective way to assure mastery...but I'd agree it should not be the only measurement.
However I do favor merit hiring, as well as competency testing and rewarding skills mastery/evaluations for good teachers. Get rid of the poor ones who are either incompetent or unmotivated. Reward (pay more) to those who are better. Expand the talent pool into private business using retired or current experts in Science, Math, Literature, and learning skills mastery. All kids can learn. We need to find as many ways as we can develop to help them do so.
I favor competition among Teachers too. In the Automotive industry we constantly have to go back for retraining and re certifications on our various skills expertise...do the same same for Teachers. Sponsor forums, seminars, exchange ideas, reward innovation, encourage alternative methods, expand skills, peer evaluations, competencies, and keep driving for increased excellence both among students and their instructors.
I was laughed at often for going to grad school for education. Because it's such a low paying job in most of the country, and not seen by many as requiring skill to be competent.
Ummm....duh. But I bet the percentage of public schools failing is a lot LOWER than that of charter schools. Cannot compare number, since they are not equal in total number. Public schools are NOT the problem. Moving a kid from one school to another 2 blocks away isn't going to change the education levels. The way they educate remains the same. The way they learn remains the same. The only difference is the Charter schools are given more by the state board of education and don't have to administer to the same things a public school does. Easy to manipulate the numbers.
"School choice" = new code for "separate but equal." Guess which part DeVos and her kind emphasize?
How do you determine if a teacher is "good" or "bad"? Test scores.....nope, you said that can't happen. College entrance numbers? Again, nope....not in areas where you have generations of family members who never went to college nor do they push their kids to go. Grades? Yeah, sure.....those can be manipulated.
So, how do you judge the teacher? In my children's cases, if they come home and say they did this this and that in their classes, then that's effective. If they say "we didn't do anything"....that's not.
I agree. My parents (that care) are solid barometers of how I feel I'm doing as an educator. They know their kids and know if the knowledge is affecting their development better than I do. Administrators that know this, know where to look. They know the ones who care and the ones that phone it in. Empower them.
This is partially true, but charter schools still have a measure of control over them if they are Public charter schools. Some things they can do, others they need "approval" for. Private charters or Parochial schools have no such restrictions.
That's why I favor increased Freedom for administrators(both Public & Private) to operate and innovate. Excellence in results should be their only barrier for doing what works. If what they're doing isn't working, pull their Charter and give someone else a try in the case of voucher driven programs, but leave them alone to figure out what does work, then go back and measure it/test it.
Private schools already have the competitive pressure of delivering outstanding performance and results, otherwise Parents won't continue funding their operations through tuitions.
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