Did I sleep through H1N1 pandemic?

UKnCincy_rivals

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Wildly inaccurate? What have I stated that's wildly inaccurate? So you don't think funeral homes are postponing funerals due to this?

https://www.democratandchronicle.co...al-homes-proceeding-amid-pandemic/2900874001/

Funeral homes are not postponing funerals for this. Any decision to postpone is made by the family, not the funeral home. A funeral home would merely make it available as an option.

And the fact is that the vast majority of people are proceeding with funerals and electing to do things like streaming the service to family members who can’t attend.

Your assumption that a significant amount of these are being delayed is wildly inaccurate. Funeral homes have basically been conducting funerals around the clock.
 

Bill Derington

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Funeral homes are not postponing funerals for this. Any decision to postpone is made by the family, not the funeral home. A funeral home would merely make it available as an option.

And the fact is that the vast majority of people are proceeding with funerals and electing to do things like streaming the service to family members who can’t attend.

Your assumption that a significant amount of these are being delayed is wildly inaccurate. Funeral homes have basically been conducting funerals around the clock.

That article says different, and it makes no difference if it's funeral homes or the family, the bodies still have to be held somewhere.

I also didn't say it was a significant amount, but it wouldn't take a significant number to create a backlog. A funeral home most definitely can make the decision to postpone burial.
 

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That article says different, and it makes no difference if it's funeral homes or the family, the bodies still have to be held somewhere.

I also didn't say it was a significant amount, but it wouldn't take a significant number to create a backlog. A funeral home most definitely can make the decision to postpone burial.

No, the article doesn’t say anything different.

And the fact is that people are proceeding with burials and cremations. They aren’t holding that up. Many may schedule a second memorial service at a later date, but the burials and cremations are proceeding. Again, you’re making assumptions and do not know what you’re talking about.

But to Ron’s point a few posts up, what’s your broader point regarding the media’s coverage of this? Nearly 3 billion people are on lockdown, including closures of international borders. Bodies have been piling up in Italy, Spain and now starting to in parts of the US. GM and Ford are making ventilators and 76,000 retired medical professionals have signed up to help manage the patients in just New York. These are things unseen for at least 100 years, if at all.

What else could there possibly be for the media to cover right now?
 

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Whether it's 12 or 18K whatever it was barely covered I was a senior in high school we joked about it. Media was never gonna put Obama under that kind of scrutiny when he just took office

I think there's at least some truth to this, even if COVID19 is far worse of an illness. The left needed a hail mary between now and November.. they got it.. and they are certainly cashing in on it.
 
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I think there's at least some truth to this, even if COVID19 is far worse of an illness. The left needed a hail mary between now and November.. they got it.. and they are certainly cashing in on it.

Right you can say oh well this is so much worse. But you barely heard about swine flu at all! Just shows how this media cabal worshipped Obama and has a hatred for trump that is toxic it borders on complete derangement. I think when it's all said and done you're gonna find this is similar to other pandemics we've had like swine flu infected a lot of people didn't kill that many
 

Bill Derington

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No, the article doesn’t say anything different.

And the fact is that people are proceeding with burials and cremations. They aren’t holding that up. Many may schedule a second memorial service at a later date, but the burials and cremations are proceeding. Again, you’re making assumptions and do not know what you’re talking about.

But to Ron’s point a few posts up, what’s your broader point regarding the media’s coverage of this? Nearly 3 billion people are on lockdown, including closures of international borders. Bodies have been piling up in Italy, Spain and now starting to in parts of the US. GM and Ford are making ventilators and 76,000 retired medical professionals have signed up to help manage the patients in just New York. These are things unseen for at least 100 years, if at all.

What else could there possibly be for the media to cover right now?

Yes the article clearly states that funerals are being postponed.
My point is the constant barrage of updated numbers without proper context scares the **** out of people. It also drives ratings.

It isn’t a death sentence, yet people are scared to death.
 
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I think there's at least some truth to this, even if COVID19 is far worse of an illness. The left needed a hail mary between now and November.. they got it.. and they are certainly cashing in on it.

Right you can say oh well this is so much worse. But you barely heard about swine flu at all! Just shows how this media cabal worshipped Obama and has a hatred for trump that is toxic it borders on complete derangement. I think when it's all said and done you're gonna find this is similar to other pandemics we've had like swine flu infected a lot of people didn't kill that many

It's frankly amazing how unaware of the world outside the US so many Americans are.
 
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It's frankly amazing how unaware of the world outside the US so many Americans are.
Well that wouldn't be me man I am very passionate about geography and history

A lot of people don't know that much about China and their regime they don't know much about Italy's Connection with them. The Italian soccer league the Serie A is basically run by the Chinese
 

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Yes the article clearly states that funerals are being postponed.
My point is the constant barrage of updated numbers without proper context scares the **** out of people. It also drives ratings.

It isn’t a death sentence, yet people are scared to death.
No. The article clearly states that postponement is an option. The following is the only time postpone is mentioned.

To do that, funeral directors across New York have been offering families a variety of options, from postponing burials, to holding a small service now with the option of a larger gathering at a later date.
 

Bill Derington

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No. The article clearly states that postponement is an option. The following is the only time postpone is mentioned.

To do that, funeral directors across New York have been offering families a variety of options, from postponing burials, to holding a small service now with the option of a larger gathering at a later date.

Again, postponements are happening, which is exactly what I stated. What happens to the body when a funeral is postponed, it has to stay refrigerated.
 

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Again, postponements are happening, which is exactly what I stated. What happens to the body when a funeral is postponed, it has to stay refrigerated.
No, you said "the article clearly states that funerals are being postponed" and it does not. It only states that there is an option. It doesn't even give a percentage, so it could anywhere between 0 and 99 percent. We know it's not 100 because funerals with limited attendance are mentioned. However, there are exactly 0 instances of an actual postponement mentioned.
 
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Bill Derington

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No, you said "the article clearly states that funerals are being postponed" and it does not. It only states that there is an option. It doesn't even give a percentage, so it could anywhere between 0 and 99 percent. We know it's not 100 because funerals with limited attendance are mentioned. However, there are exactly 0 instances of an actual postponement mentioned.

If it were zero then postponement wouldn't be an option. When someone dies of Covid 19 do you think the hospital immediately ships them to a funeral parlor? They have a world ending virus, would that be the proper technique or do they hold the body in quarantine for a period of time?

Funerals are being postponed, how many is anyone's guess, be it due to family or funeral parlor backlog from numbers or sick staff.
 

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I hate being a Republican these days. Our president is an idiot who sounds like he may have passed, at best, 10th grade. His diehard followers sound like they didn’t get that far. These are serious times. This situation is nothing like the previous viruses some of you political zealots want to throw in the mix. We need a leader. We need to treat this without political bias. Unfortunately, too many people can’t do that.
 

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Right you can say oh well this is so much worse. But you barely heard about swine flu at all! Just shows how this media cabal worshipped Obama and has a hatred for trump that is toxic it borders on complete derangement. I think when it's all said and done you're gonna find this is similar to other pandemics we've had like swine flu infected a lot of people didn't kill that many
LOL ... this is the kind of stuff that makes it embarrassing to be a Republican right now.
 
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If it were zero then postponement wouldn't be an option. When someone dies of Covid 19 do you think the hospital immediately ships them to a funeral parlor? They have a world ending virus, would that be the proper technique or do they hold the body in quarantine for a period of time?

Funerals are being postponed, how many is anyone's guess, be it due to family or funeral parlor backlog from numbers or sick staff.

Funeral postponement is nothing new. It’s not unusual for people to postpone funerals in winter in order to have the burial in spring. As such, the amount of postponements has been consistent with prior years up to this point, meaning there’s not been an appreciable uptick due to COVID-19. Almost everyone has been going forward with burials / cremations because of the uncertainty of when things will open up again. So they’re opting for a small funeral now with a larger memorial service later.

Regardless, the acquisition of trailers is not because of funeral postponement. It is part of the city’s Decedent Recovery Strategy and is done to increase storage capacity at health care facilities. The reason for this is reduce the volume of time-sensitive tasks and help with centrally coordinating activities (i.e., managing ME capacity / workload).

During a pandemic, the ME can easily get overwhelmed managing the activities required to process the deceased. For example, a number of bodies will be loaded into the trailer not having a known identify. Others will be held up at the city morgue because the ME needs a cause of death and doctor’s signature on the death certificate and doctors are tied up treating the massive influx of patients. For others, they’ll be held up because the next of kin is also sick or quarantined and the body can’t be released. There’s a whole host of issues the ME’s office has to manage that have nothing to do with funerals being postponed.

The majority of my in-laws live in NYC, including one who helped work on the ME’s pandemic surge strategy several years ago. My description of what’s happening and why it is happening is based on several conversations with friends and family who are experiencing these things first hand.

That’s the reality of things. COVID-19 is killing significantly more people in New York right now than past flu seasons and it’s not even close. Beyond the makeshift morgues, there’s a Navy hospital ship, 4 military field hospitals, a Samaritan’s Purse field hospital, a field hospital in the Javits Center and another nursing home that’s been converted to a hospital and they still may need more. These things don’t happen with the flu and that’s the reason for the coverage.
 

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While Bill and Air Raid see everything around this situation through an obvious political prism, and they insist on their own facts as well as their own opinion, I bet there is one widely reported fact they buy into: that this virus is not as dangerous to a person of 30-40 years of age as to the older among us.
 

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I hate being a Republican these days. Our president is an idiot who sounds like he may have passed, at best, 10th grade. His diehard followers sound like they didn’t get that far. These are serious times. This situation is nothing like the previous viruses some of you political zealots want to throw in the mix. We need a leader. We need to treat this without political bias. Unfortunately, too many people can’t do that.

I would agree. It’s frustrating as hell.
 
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Trump didn't say the death rate would be 6 times higher. Because we still don't know how many have or will have , and 100000 aren't going to die in the US from it.

Here’s Trump’s full quote:

"And so, if we can hold that down, as we're saying, to 100,000 — that's a horrible number — maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100- and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job."
 

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Here’s Trump’s full quote:

"And so, if we can hold that down, as we're saying, to 100,000 — that's a horrible number — maybe even less, but to 100,000, so we have between 100- and 200,000, we all together have done a very good job."

Only problem with quoting Trump is that there’s a good chance he’ll be saying the exact opposite of that in a few days and act like this never happened.

Where have all the William McCulloch’s of the world gone?
 

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H1N1 wasn't new in 2009.

The first time it was identified it was called the Spanish Flu in 1918 and killed an estimated 50-150 million people.

There is an episode of Explained on Netflix that explains this. It's the one called "The Next Pandemic" and it was released in November of 2019. It is eerily accurate about what is happening now.

It also talks about SARS from 2002, how it spread, how the Chinese government tried to hide it, and that it went away abruptly without explanation.
 

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I hate being a Republican these days. Our president is an idiot who sounds like he may have passed, at best, 10th grade. His diehard followers sound like they didn’t get that far. These are serious times. This situation is nothing like the previous viruses some of you political zealots want to throw in the mix. We need a leader. We need to treat this without political bias. Unfortunately, too many people can’t do that.
For being a Republican you sure are hard on other Republicans. Name the individual that you think you would rather have leading this charge.
 

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I hate being a Republican these days. Our president is an idiot who sounds like he may have passed, at best, 10th grade. His diehard followers sound like they didn’t get that far. These are serious times. This situation is nothing like the previous viruses some of you political zealots want to throw in the mix. We need a leader. We need to treat this without political bias. Unfortunately, too many people can’t do that.
Who, exactly, do you feel like is treating this with political bias? You laying that at the feet of the republicans?

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Dude, first of all, you’re a child. Nevermind my second part — the first part covers it. I’m sorry your parents made you this way. Maybe you will eventually grow up and figure it out.

no you're a child and your left wing pals have no idea how the world works. Never let a crisis go to waste. You ain't fooling me for three seconds
 

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The very first thing Trump did (travel ban), the democrats politically pounced on him for being a racist xenophobe quicker than a cat could lick its a$$.

He mentions a potential treatment and democrats started yelling about how he was gonna kill people.

It’s amazing to me how some of you all are so cock-sure that your opinion of Trump’s handling of this crisis is the majority opinion. And any dissent from that means the other person is a politically biased fool.

Yet, every major poll says otherwise - YOU are the minority. YOU are the ones acting in a politically biased manner. BUT ORANGE MAN BAD!! AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
 

UKnCincy_rivals

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Thank you for the good news in the other thread.

No problem. It restored a little faith in humanity, and the American people specifically, for me and thought it was worth sharing. It was a single sentence buried in the article and easy to overlook.

I’d also say that for all of the hardships and challenges associated with this, I’m seeing a lot things that are encouraging in terms of how people are responding. If we can manage to survive these next few weeks, I’m cautiously optimistic that we might end up better because of the experience.

Here’s hoping anyway.
 
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The very first thing Trump did (travel ban), the democrats politically pounced on him for being a racist xenophobe quicker than a cat could lick its a$$.

He mentions a potential treatment and democrats started yelling about how he was gonna kill people.

It’s amazing to me how some of you all are so cock-sure that your opinion of Trump’s handling of this crisis is the majority opinion. And any dissent from that means the other person is a politically biased fool.

Yet, every major poll says otherwise - YOU are the minority. YOU are the ones acting in a politically biased manner. BUT ORANGE MAN BAD!! AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!

When I read this post, I can’t help but be amazed at how calmly and rationally this poster responds to others.