We are a better nation than our dark fears and trivial divisions might suggest.
I’ve experienced folks pulling together even when standing six feet apart.
Did I sleep through H1N1 pandemic?
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We are a better nation than our dark fears and trivial divisions might suggest.
I’ve experienced folks pulling together even when standing six feet apart.
Just because one side is the majority doesn’t mean the people on that side are unbiased. There are always going to be people who support literally anything any president does, not just Trump, that’s called bias.
The quote wasn’t the problem, the death rate is the issue.
The death rate is compared to the number infected.
Totally agree. I’m biased.
But I was responding to the assertion that this wild phenomenon called political bias should be placed solely at the feet of Trump and republicans. That’s completely ridiculous.
You already know the answer to this...not even in the same park! It would expose the "kings" regime. 8 years of futiluty.
The problem is you have no idea on the funeral postponements and the number. I guarantee you there are more than normal at this time, not including taking any funeral workers that get sick and have to quarantine, or cemetery workers, and on down the line. All of that slows the process of handling bodies, but they still must be chilled in that process in limited space.
Things are bad in NYC no doubt about it, but a lot of is in preparation for what could happen, which is smart. A lot is also done for show to give the appearance of situational control.
Yeah man, facts are irrational.
Enjoy acting like you’re the smartest person in the room and above it all. And enjoy knowing you hold the minority opinion - no matter how smart you think you are.
I was a presumptive positive. Got Tamiflu or something the second I showed symptoms (it was floating around my work) and it wasn't bad at all compared to the seasonal flu. I'm sure it would have been worse if I held off a day or two before going to the doctor.
The mortality rate and the incredible transmission/ infectious rate of C19 are not comparable to H1N1. At all.
Unless you listen to AM radio conspiracy kooks..
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Or perhaps I had a conversation yesterday with someone who would know this. They happened to mention it because someone from the press spoke to them as part of a story they’re working on that should be published today. Which is the reason this has been top of mind for me today.
The morgues will hit capacity before the funeral homes and not the other way around. And some of the funeral homes are doing double the number of services they’d normally do. The reason for that is because most people are proceeding with having the services now and not postponing.
In terms of cemetery workers, that too will not be a source of congestion in the morgues. If there are capacity issues at the cemetery, the result will be caskets stacked up at the cemetery containing patients who’ve already been embalmed.
You think they’re just going to stack caskets up with embalmed bodies at the cemetery ?
So you talked to someone that knows most people are not postponing, and maybe they aren’t, but if it were 10% it would create a log jam of bodies in a city with 8-10 million people.
Stacked up either in a building at the cemetery, inside a church if it’s a religious cemetery or inside the funeral home until the cemetery is ready for it.
But that’s not what’s relevant. What’s relevant is my original point which is that the 85 trucks are required to handle the massive increase in deaths and not because of a spike in funeral postponements that you presume to be occurring.
And it looks like the article was published this afternoon. It even includes a stat towards the end that compares the number of COVID-19 deaths per day to the average number of deaths from other causes per day (a bit like my post last night).
It also mentions this about the funeral homes:
Some of the city’s funeral homes are already “stretched to capacity” and others are “helping twice as many families as they normally would,” Lanotte said.
The article also stated what I was trying to explain to you.
“They’re not able to bury as many people in a day as they normally would and that’s a concern because if there’s a large number of cemeteries that start to do this, we’re going to start to have — for lack of a better word — a bottleneck,”
It then stated having split up cemetery crews to prevent everyone from being exposed together, funeral directors getting sick
all of that causes bodies to build up, I’m not saying that’s the only reason, but it is a reason.
It’s also telling that NYC wouldn’t state how many bodies it currently has in the morgue.
“They’re not able to bury as many people in a day as they normally would and that’s a concern because if there’s a large number of cemeteries that start to do this, we’re going to start to have — for lack of a better word — a bottleneck,”
It then stated having split up cemetery crews to prevent everyone from being exposed together, funeral directors getting sick
all of that causes bodies to build up, I’m not saying that’s the only reason, but it is a reason.
It’s also telling that NYC wouldn’t state how many bodies it currently has in the morgue.
That would create a bottleneck, but not one that impacts the morgues nor would it necessitate additional morgue capacity. That’s not how this works. And right now, there’s only one cemetery who’s doing this so there is no bottleneck in reality.
And while irrelevant, it's also not what you’ve been saying all along. At 8:39am today, you were asserting as fact that New York’s funeral homes weren’t processing bodies because they were postponing things, and that this was causing a back up into the morgues. That is clearly not a true statement.
Now you’re trying to assert that all along you were taking about the fact that reduced capacity at one, single cemetery was causing a bottleneck that required OCME to increase temporary morgue space, rather than increased deaths being the cause.
Either way, we have the same dynamic going on. You speculate a reason that will support your predetermined viewpoint and then move forward as if that speculation were fact, despite having no first hand knowledge of whether it’s actually true..
It absolutely would affect the morgues as funeral homes won’t take a body they don’t have room to keep.
Where do you get it’s one single cemetery?
I didn’t state anything as fact, it’s common sense that a percentage of people that can’t attend a loved ones funeral that they would postpone, and that’s exactly what we’ve read today.
Do you think you’re the only one with family in NY? Hell, my sister is a journalist in NYC.
The temporary morgues are mandatory under NYC’s pandemic plan whenever deaths in the city reach over 200 people a day. Whether they’re needed or not.
Irony. You literally did in this very post what you bitched about at the end of your post.
IMHE projects 84K dead and their projections are decreasing with data that is coming in. If Trump is saying that it is a "good job" if the overall number is below 100K, it's because he has good information that it is likely to be less than that. Then, when the final numbers come in, to the extent that any numbers can be "final" (people still die from the swine flu on occasion), presto, it was a good job.
I'm mostly just a lurker here, but I wanted to say I've really enjoyed reading your posts on the subject these last few weeks.
Yep. Pence and Brix sound good up there. Trump sounds like an absolute bumbling idiot, just blabbering whatever thought comes to mind, without any regard for facts, people who actually know what they're talking about, or reality. And the way he says things on live TV, then denies saying them on live TV is absolutely mind boggling.
I wonder if Trump is annoyed with Pence showing him up almost every press conference with realistic takes and leadership. It's possible Trump isn't even aware.
Covid19 passed the year long totals of H1N1 deaths today in only 4 weeks and people are still acting like they're the same thing. They think Covid19 should have been covered the same and cite the year long totals from H1N1. Imagine being that clueless. H1N1 originated in America too, Covid19 of course originated in Chi-nuh
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H1N1 originated in Mexico, and as Dr Birx announced tonight, everyone that dies and tests positive is considered a Covid death, and those not able to be tested with symptoms are also counted.
H1N1 deaths was an estimate. Having said that Covid is bad.
They might die of complications related to the broken hip, but not from the broken hip itself.
Nevertheless, I just read on another forum that the counted COVID deaths only include those who have tested positive - meaning they are *undercounting* and missing those who likely died from it but were never tested.
So who is right? I haven't seen anything official about how the counting is done, or if it's done consistently from one hospital to another.
Nevertheless, I just read on another forum that the counted COVID deaths only include those who have tested positive - meaning they are *undercounting* and missing those who likely died from it but were never tested.
So who is right? I haven't seen anything official about how the counting is done, or if it's done consistently from one hospital to another.
Dr Birx stated tonight that in areas that don’t have testing prevalent that if a patient dies with symptoms they are counted as Covid.
Circulatory infections don’t happen on non-hip breaks. But I agree with rest of your post.
Someone was in hospice. Got Covid. How I don’t know. But death cert was Covid
Alzheimer’s was ranked 6th on death rate. But higher due to the complications
I remember seeing news stories on evening news about H1N1 when I was living in Vegas. I think the big reason why some people didn't hear about the virus as much was 1. The amount of people who died from that flu was over the course of a year. In comparison, nearly 2k Americans died just today. 2. The biggest news story going on at the time in 2009 was the recession. The economy was already in toilet. I saw this first hand in Vegas when the housing market burst. The economy was what was on everyone's mind.
Plus, depending on what your news source was, that could have also determined what you saw.
Plus, depending on what your news source was, that could have also determined what you saw.
It was in the news, and it was concern. There wasn’t the laser focus that there was on Covid. Part of that is due to models that predicted millions could die, and hospital systems overloaded.
There also wasn’t a running count on deaths, which isn’t accurate. Death with Covid is being attributed to death by Covid.
I always get this sense that you're constantly trying to get this idea across that the numbers are over inflated but for reasons I don't understand. I know you've shared a lot of concerns about government over reach, which I think can be valid at times.
But bottom line is, I don't know what you're trying communicate.
There wasn't a constant focus on H1N1 because the focus was on the economy since most of America had been hit so hard. There were several large financial institutions that had almost all but shuttered not to long before the virus arrived in the States so most people were scared of losing their job at the time because so many others already had.
H1N1 killed about 12,000 Americans in about one year.
Covid 19 has killed about 12,000 Americans in about one month.
See the difference?? Hope this helps.
in all likelihood, H1N1 was more than likely responsible for upwards of 30,000 deaths, the way covid is being reported. See that difference.
Yes, people are really dying from broken hips, not the global pandemic. When is the lamestream media gonna start reporting on these broken hip deaths? can't help but to laugh at the cult members.
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DR Birx stated it this evening in the taskforce news conference, and the CDC. They are more concerned with tracking the disease which makes sense. The media is more interested in viewers, so what is a benign data point for the CDC becomes sensationalism for the media.
How is it rationalization? I gave my point of view from what I experienced and that was all. Sorry it doesn't fit into your world view exactly the way you want it to.