Difference between Living in America and Being an American

mrhotdice

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what seems to be lost in the Muslim immigration debate is that many of these immigrants want to live in America but don't want to live under the laws of American and not accept the American Constitution. Living in America does not make you an American. Remember these Muslin countries governments are based on laws and teachings from Koran. If you have ever lived in a Muslim country you see it everyday. Women are treated like second class citizens, in some countries they can't vote, drive, and can be stoned to death. These radical Muslims who have many followers that live in America now want to kill us. They hate Western Society were freedom is paramount.

It's obvious that only a small amount of Muslims living in America are radical but as the shootings in California prove, it only takes two to kill you. I fear that due to political correctness America is in real danger. Thomas Paine said it best.
These are the times that that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country.

America needs to wake up.
 

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OP doesn't even live here, correct?

You've lost your right to an opinion that anyone should care to listen to, imo.

"LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT."

You chose wrong, imo!
 

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Speaking of that Constitution, does it define what "being an American" is? TIA
The founding fathers wrote many things concerning that subject. Among them included swearing fealty to the republic in order to become a citizen. Learning the language.
 

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Why does his residence disqualify him from having an opinion?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

He left the arena.
 

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I wonder, since the OP is so knowledgeable on how Muslims think, how many he actually knows, has spoken with or even met.
 
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Women are treated like second class citizens, in some countries they can't vote, drive, and can be stoned to death. These radical Muslims who have many followers that live in America now want to kill us. They hate Western Society were freedom is paramount.

It's obvious that only a small amount of Muslims living in America are radical but as the shootings in California prove, it only takes two to kill you. I fear that due to political correctness America is in real danger. Thomas Paine said it best.
These are the times that that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country.

America needs to wake up.

The irony of talking about how Muslims treat others like second class citizens as evidence as to why America should do it also.

Hell, the rest of the world should ban Americans due to the outrageous amount of gun violence and mass killings that occur in this country. Why would they want any parts of that imported into their countries? Sure, American committing mass killings in other countries is not an epidemic in those other countries, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Makes total sense.

These are the times that try men's souls. The mindless and simple route is to just treat anyone who looks like a threat as a threat with complete disregard to the impact on the innocent.
 

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what seems to be lost in the Muslim immigration debate is that many of these immigrants want to live in America but don't want to live under the laws of American and not accept the American Constitution. Living in America does not make you an American. Remember these Muslin countries governments are based on laws and teachings from Koran. If you have ever lived in a Muslim country you see it everyday. Women are treated like second class citizens, in some countries they can't vote, drive, and can be stoned to death. These radical Muslims who have many followers that live in America now want to kill us. They hate Western Society were freedom is paramount.

It's obvious that only a small amount of Muslims living in America are radical but as the shootings in California prove, it only takes two to kill you. I fear that due to political correctness America is in real danger. Thomas Paine said it best.
These are the times that that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country.

America needs to wake up.

Soooo, you're telling me their women don't vote or drive? What's your point here?
 

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t's obvious that only a small amount of Muslims living in America are radical

 

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The irony of talking about how Muslims treat others like second class citizens as evidence as to why America should do it also.

Hell, the rest of the world should ban Americans due to the outrageous amount of gun violence and mass killings that occur in this country. Why would they want any parts of that imported into their countries? Sure, American committing mass killings in other countries is not an epidemic in those other countries, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Makes total sense.

These are the times that try men's souls. The mindless and simple route is to just treat anyone who looks like a threat as a threat with complete disregard to the impact on the innocent.
Wow, it's not often that I meet a self-hating American.
 

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By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
 

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By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
Dead on accurate.
 

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It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

You could replace the word France with United States and Muslim with African-American and your sentence would be just as true.

It is not uncommon for ethnic groups that immigrate into another country to be largely segregated for generations thus why we have "Chinatown", "Koreatown", "Little Italy"s, "Little Saigon"s... why most Mexican immigrants here live in close proximity to one another...most blacks live clustered in our cities...
 

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You could replace the word France with United States and Muslim with African-American and your sentence would be just as true.

It is not uncommon for ethnic groups that immigrate into another country to be largely segregated for generations thus why we have "Chinatown", "Koreatown", "Little Italy"s, "Little Saigon"s... why most Mexican immigrants here live in close proximity to one another...most blacks live clustered in our cities...

it's just that all these other minorities aren't goat phuckers.
 

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You could replace the word France with United States and Muslim with African-American and your sentence would be just as true.

It is not uncommon for ethnic groups that immigrate into another country to be largely segregated for generations thus why we have "Chinatown", "Koreatown", "Little Italy"s, "Little Saigon"s... why most Mexican immigrants here live in close proximity to one another...most blacks live clustered in our cities...

You say "segregated" as if WE are the people that segregate them. It is by choice. They live together to ensure their existence is as close as it can be to their homeland.

If YOU were the next person to be killed by a peaceful Muslim, I would chuckle out loud.
 
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The irony of talking about how Muslims treat others like second class citizens as evidence as to why America should do it also.

Hell, the rest of the world should ban Americans due to the outrageous amount of gun violence and mass killings that occur in this country. Why would they want any parts of that imported into their countries? Sure, American committing mass killings in other countries is not an epidemic in those other countries, but it's better to be safe than sorry. Makes total sense.

These are the times that try men's souls. The mindless and simple route is to just treat anyone who looks like a threat as a threat with complete disregard to the impact on the innocent.
Off subject, but gun violence is kind of who we are. It's not getting worse it's basically always been the fabric of America. Look at our history. It's true. The reason it's not part of European history which liberals always hold up as our model is because they were ruled by monarchy for centuries and the monarchy made darn sure their citizens were not armed. An unarmed and easily controlled citizenry is part of their fabric. Understand that before deciding what we should do with our future.
 

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Ignorance is dangerous. Acting as if radical islamists do not live and exist among is not only ignorant but foolish. You can choose to continue to believe there is no imminent threat if you want.
They are cowards who do not have the courage to face their "enemies", but attack defenseless unarmed people. Kill people at a Christmas party. Complete cowards.
Yet, the AG of the United States greatest fear is retaliation against Muslims. Not of another attack. Talk about ignorance.
 

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By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
Pretty much sums it up. Great post.
 
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I wonder, since the OP is so knowledgeable on how Muslims think, how many he actually knows, has spoken with or even met.

Do Muslims living in Muslim countries need to meet and speak with Americans in order to understand our basic principles of existence? Do they need to meet and speak with us in order to know that we think we should allow our women to vote and live equally? Do they need to meet and speak with us in order to know that we function primarily in a free and capitalistic society? Do they need to meet and speak with us to know that when we operate in any militaristic fashion we do so under the terms of our uniformed services, under the rule of our sovereign governments, and not through the approach of tribal law and radicalized religion? Do Muslims living in Muslim countries need to meet and speak with Americans in order to know that we have become fearful and angry as a result of their people's progress? Do I need to meet and speak with you in order to know that you are a Muslim apologist?
 

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we talking about the actual americans (who didn't use very wise immigration policies) or the settlers who destroyed their way of life and took their land?
 

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Do Muslims living in Muslim countries need to meet and speak with Americans in order to understand our basic principles of existence? Do they need to meet and speak with us in order to know that we think we should allow our women to vote and live equally? Do they need to meet and speak with us in order to know that we function primarily in a free and capitalistic society? Do they need to meet and speak with us to know that when we operate in any militaristic fashion we do so under the terms of our uniformed services, under the rule of our sovereign governments, and not through the approach of tribal law and radicalized religion? Do Muslims living in Muslim countries need to meet and speak with Americans in order to know that we have become fearful and angry as a result of their people's progress? Do I need to meet and speak with you in order to know that you are a Muslim apologist?
You have been brainwashed well.
 

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Screw Muslims. Im just now starting to like African Americans. The Mexicans are really starting to grow on me as they work hard and cook good food.
 

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Op, when you say America, can you specify if your referring to north or South America.
I'm sure your not shallow enough to know which America I am talking about Wall2Boogie. Where you trying to make me mad? Good luck with that my friend.