I know he’s dealt with injuries and he has less than 10 starts, but he does not look like a NFL quarterback. Dammit!
Difficult Conversation: We need to talk about JJ
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It appears that JJ has always been a product of his system. Grew early, had a great career at Naz, but also was surrounded by elite weapons. Michigan was run first and he was viewed as a game manager but he was a winner. I was very very surprised that he was a first round pick. Lots of chatter on social media about the cheating by Michigan and how it helped him.
Before the posse attacks me, I like JJ. Seems like a great kid. I just think he’s a very bad nfl qb.
Before the posse attacks me, I like JJ. Seems like a great kid. I just think he’s a very bad nfl qb.
Today on Get Up, they kind of ripped him for the persona he is projecting. His alter ego, 9, was chided. I have always thought he called himself that as an homage to Riggins calling his quarterback by their number on Friday night lights.
The portrayal of him meditating on the field in college has not been forgotten either. Is he trying to be Matthew McConaughey?
Bruce Arian yesterday when talking to Pat MacAfee said “Knock this **** off and go be a ******* NFL quarterback.”
The portrayal of him meditating on the field in college has not been forgotten either. Is he trying to be Matthew McConaughey?
Bruce Arian yesterday when talking to Pat MacAfee said “Knock this **** off and go be a ******* NFL quarterback.”
Give him time. Getting hurt last year and having to sit around for a whole year waiting and watching and coming out knowing this team went all in with you is a lot of pressure. He never put up eye popping numbers in college like Williams or Daniel's did. He was just a game manager and winner. Obviously with no real back up this is his season to finish out. Hopefully he does that strong.
I I've watched very little of JJ this year but I've always felt it was a reach taking him so high in the draft. Combine that with them trading up to get him, choosing him over Darnold, and the success Darnold is having... the expectations are going to be unrealistic
I'm pulling for JJ, as much as I like to watch the Vikings lose. I'm not convinced he'll ever be a top NFL QB, but I think he's going to get better than what he has shown the last few weeks.
His recent performances are flashbacks to the 2019 state championship!
His recent performances are flashbacks to the 2019 state championship!
I am rooting for the kid too. He has tremendous arm talent. He may be one of those guys that takes a while to develop. He might get the luxury of becoming a journeyman back up and retired in 10 years, a multimillionaire, fully healthy, and a gig waiting at ESPN.
Peyton Manning set the career mark for interceptions his rookie year.
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And if nothing else he's a Millionaire with a good head on his shoulders!
Playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult. Even when coming from a high level college system. There is no sugar coating his play but it is way early to make any proclamation on him. Wish him the best, which is hard considering he plays for MN, lol.
(1) Minnesota didn't give JJ time to develop, see for example Jordan Love and Jimmy Garoppolo, Who is to blame, I don't know but it is not JJ. (2) JJ didn't help himself with the war paint, his alter ego 9 and the meditation before games. If the Vikings were winning no one would care about those things and likely would be celebrating them. Now they are a distraction and he is derided for them.
Hopefully he can come back and have a couple good games and get ready for next season.
Hopefully he can come back and have a couple good games and get ready for next season.
(2) doesn't affect his on-field performance. Sure it is some noise in the media but that is it.
I believe Caleb Williams has a long way to go with his accuracy. I was struck by how inaccurate JJ is as well. Caleb is in his second year versus JJ’s first, but JJ’s accuracy was shockingly bad the few times I’ve seen him play. His improvement needs to start there imo.
Rooting for JJ but his QB coach from high school needs to keep his mouth shut on soical media. Guy has ridden JJ's coattails into making a career for himself "developing" middle school QBs.
Trying to find it but there’s a realpy
Good video analyzing his throws on social media.
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JJ is best when he throws a bullet with his feet set. His touch is awful and his arm strength is drastically reduced on long throws. I’ve noticed with other qbs that Holcomb coaches that they all have an identical release, but when they make throws that they don’t practice with him the arm strength, spiral and accuracy fall apart.
I like when any Illinois guys do well, but right not JJ looks horrible.
Hes getting killed on social media worse than any other qb I’ve ever seen. He’s at Akili Smith levels of criticism
Good video analyzing his throws on social media.
Cliffs notes:
JJ is best when he throws a bullet with his feet set. His touch is awful and his arm strength is drastically reduced on long throws. I’ve noticed with other qbs that Holcomb coaches that they all have an identical release, but when they make throws that they don’t practice with him the arm strength, spiral and accuracy fall apart.
I like when any Illinois guys do well, but right not JJ looks horrible.
Hes getting killed on social media worse than any other qb I’ve ever seen. He’s at Akili Smith levels of criticism
As soon as the "nine" quote was out there it was over in terms of social media. I mean any struggling QB is gonna invite tons of criticism anyways, but that's made him one of easiest targets of criticism I can remember.
He still has time to develop, but being injured all last season gave him a year to absorb knowledge and learn the game, much like Love. He needs the reps for sure, but sadly the writing was on the wall after his career at Michigan where he was never asked to throw the ball.
“QB Coaches” are some of the slimiest people around. Tell you anything to swindle people out of their money.
The posse got mad at me when I said he was Tyson Bagent on a better college team before he was drafted.
Obviously he's biased, but I suggest people check out Conor Stallions X account where he has some detailed breakdown of what JJ is going through, using game film. Very eye opening for me and might change your tune about how much "fault" is his with what has been going on...
I can think of a lot of quarterbacks who flamed out early, rode the bench, and then went on to win a Super Bowl or two. This kid still has the raw talent that we saw at Naz, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is HoF someday. Right now, though, he is getting slammed everywhere, which isn't helping.
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J.J. McCarthy’s historically bad start continues, rest of Vikings follow suit vs. Packers
The Vikings' "razor-thin margin for error" with McCarthy at quarterback has not been a recipe for success this season.
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Still way too early to make a judgement. Plenty of quality players have struggled in their first half dozen games. Look at Loveland. People were calling him a bust and saying Warren was way better after 5 games. Look at him now after the last 5 games. Even 11 games is way too small of a sample size. Too many recent examples of players developing in year 2 or 3. Seems more mental than physical now. He can correct that.
Anyone that was calling Loveland a bust 5 games in doesn't have an opinion of value.
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Bagent is better.
Why do we give young nfl qb’s so many excuses? IE: JJ missed all last year. So what? He was able to absorb a ton with no pressure of ever playing. Young QB’s are able to hit the ground running now than ever before.
JJ has arguably the best set up of any young QB. Has the best WR in the game and an outstanding head coach.
Looks to be the opposite to me. He's all mentally jacked up and that’s effecting his mechanics/decisions.
Warren didn't fit Johnson's offense. Loveland does. Outside of Taylor, Warren is their offensive focal point, we didn't need that here. I think Loveland is doing great and will keep getting better, but right now there is a so many other options with the receiving corps, two capable RBs and sharing the position with Kmet. They brought him along slowly and it's really helped him. Maybe we could have gone with an edge rusher at #10 but the Edge rusher wouldn't have caught that pass to beat Cincinnati.
HOF might be a stretch.I can think of a lot of quarterbacks who flamed out early, rode the bench, and then went on to win a Super Bowl or two. This kid still has the raw talent that we saw at Naz, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is HoF someday. Right now, though, he is getting slammed everywhere, which isn't helping.
J.J. McCarthy’s historically bad start continues, rest of Vikings follow suit vs. Packers
The Vikings' "razor-thin margin for error" with McCarthy at quarterback has not been a recipe for success this season.
Who are "a lot" of QBs that rode the bench and won a Super Bowl or two? Sadly raw HS talent doesn't translate to the NFL, see Lynch. His HS talent didn't transfer to college where they barely let him throw. He's in a perfect situation with the WRs he has in Minnesota so hopefully he can calm down and get into a rhythm with the guys he has.I can think of a lot of quarterbacks who flamed out early, rode the bench, and then went on to win a Super Bowl or two. This kid still has the raw talent that we saw at Naz, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is HoF someday. Right now, though, he is getting slammed everywhere, which isn't helping.
J.J. McCarthy’s historically bad start continues, rest of Vikings follow suit vs. Packers
The Vikings' "razor-thin margin for error" with McCarthy at quarterback has not been a recipe for success this season.
They let him throw, averaged 3,000 yards passing a season in his 2 years as a starter. See below. And he ran for a ridiculous amount. His style of play was not yet accepted in the NFL, he was a couple years early. If he came out of college today with the stats he put up and the publicity around him being a Heisman Finalist he would be drafted in the first four rounds for sure. And we can argue the "Not a chance" debate but will never know so it's just my opinion. Passing stats below, Happy Thanksgiving!
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Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Trent Dillfer (yes the Baltimore defense won it but he was the QB). Little farther back Doug Williams for the Redskins in 88 Super Bowl and Jeff Hostedler (spelling way off I know) for the Giants in 1991 Super Bowl.
Still need to give him time. It was Michigan that slowed down his growth at QB. Michigan's run game and defense was so great that they did not need JJ to pass the ball much. Therefore this slowed down JJs learning curve at QB at the college level.
So you will have to give JJ time before he can do well at the NFL level.
So you will have to give JJ time before he can do well at the NFL level.
