DirectTV issues a statement about the SECN

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"We're in the middle of productive discussions with Disney over ESPN's new SEC Network and hope to be able to provide it as soon as we possibly can," the undated statement reads. "Both DIRECTV and Disney understand and appreciate the unique bond between SEC teams and the communities they represent, many of which lack any professional teams. We are working cooperatively to ensure that everyone can still see their favorite SEC team play at the most reasonable value to all SEC fans and the rest of our customers throughout the Southeast."

"Many teams, leagues and conferences will deny their most loyal fans access to games in order to get everyone—whether you're a fan or not—to pay the soaring price of admission," DirecTV writes. "Every TV viewer should have a choice: Fans should have access to the games they want, and viewers with no interest in sports should not have to pay for what they don't want."

They bring up the same old rhetoric Comcast is using to try to make SECN a premium channel. Making customers pay for channels they don't want is their freaking business model. Most of their customers don't want Lifetime, MSNBC, or any number of other channels. Yet they still force us to pay for them. The SECN should be no different. The SEC isn't charging anywhere near what the premium channels do.

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Likewise, Lifetime doesn't ask anywhere near what the SEC is. Less than 1/10th I'd guess. I don't think there's a right or wrong way to package it but DirecTV has basically no negotiating power. ESPN has them by the balls. They WILL lose a lot of revenue if they don't pick up the SECN. At this point I think they're just posturing so when they have to bump up subscriptions by $5 they can point at how hard they tried.
 

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Sounds to me like they are trying to work out a deal to carry regional games until they can negotiate the full network. That won't do the trick, SEC fans expect to see ALL the SEC games, so you can't just show me MSU and think I am going to be happy. Come August 1st I am going to have to leave my 12 years with DirecTV if they don't have an agreement in place. Those idiots don't really realize how tied people in the south are to the SEC.
 

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They bring up the same old rhetoric Comcast is using to try to make SECN a premium channel. Making customers pay for channels they don't want is their freaking business model. Most of their customers don't want Lifetime, MSNBC, or any number of other channels. Yet they still force us to pay for them. The SECN should be no different. The SEC isn't charging anywhere near what the premium channels do.

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To be fair, it's the channel owners that drive the bundling. They make the cable networks take their crappy channels to get a decent price on the channel they actually want in the first place. You have Lifetime because you pay for whatever gets you the A&E Networks bundle of channels. MSNBC comes with the NBC contract. Etc. Now, could they make the tiers of programming more granular, sure, but that would probably not be a competitive advantage in the marketplace. The complexity of managing and marketing it is greater than the customer demand.

Now the argument is do they charge $1.30 for every customer in the south and $.25 for those not in the south, or can they charge it a la carte at probably $10 / month.

DirectTv will fold. It will be part of the ESPN bundle in the next contract negotiation, but they have to posture.
 

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It's not just the channel owners that drive bundling. It's the cable companies themselves as well. You bring up the point that Lifetime is part of the A&E Networks. Comcast decides whether I pay for all of the A&E networks or for none of them. I don't know that I watch any of their networks. Why doesn't Comcast give me the same choice of whether to pay for them or not that it claims it wants to give me with the SECN?
 

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Aren't the commercial sponsors putting pressure on espn to get the direct tv market EVERY bit as much as the customers of direct putting on the provider to add the sec network.

If I'm paying the price of advertising, I'm bitching at espn for not securing that market quicker.

It's also what I think direct is counting on.
 

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I hope they will fold but I'm starting to feel like I'm getting greased up
 

codeDawg

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It's not just the channel owners that drive bundling. It's the cable companies themselves as well. You bring up the point that Lifetime is part of the A&E Networks. Comcast decides whether I pay for all of the A&E networks or for none of them. I don't know that I watch any of their networks. Why doesn't Comcast give me the same choice of whether to pay for them or not that it claims it wants to give me with the SECN?

Not really. The contract A&E gives them charges for all the channels in their offering by subscriber and does not give them discretion on individual channels. The networks use this for leverage to get their crappy channels out there so they can sell more advertising on them. Theoretically, they could charge more for the popular channels and less for the others and net it out, but that would complicate contract negotiation, operations, etc. and it's easier to just bundle it all together.

It's a crappy system, but nobody is willing to risk going against it. When Time Warner went up against CBS it didn't end up well for them.
 

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Did you even read my post? What if I don't want ANY A&E channels? Where's my choice to just not pay for them like Comcast wants to give me for the SECN? This isn't about customer choice, it's about Comcast wanting to be able to force another premium channel on a lot of its customers.
 

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Did you even read my post? What if I don't want ANY A&E channels? Where's my choice to just not pay for them like Comcast wants to give me for the SECN? This isn't about customer choice, it's about Comcast wanting to be able to force another premium channel on a lot of its customers.

That's why the A&E channels are usually a 2nd tier option. I don't disagree that providing more granular control over packages might be desirable. The rub would be you would be paying more per channel in the smaller bundle than the larger packages. A lot of people could end up with less TV for a lot more money b/c the cost isn't spread around as much.

Hopefully somebody can take this on with a better business model and negotiation approach. Right now the channel providers churn out a bunch of crap just so they can sell advertisements. You would think a more focused approach would yield a higher quality product.
 

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Cable companies seriously need antitrust laws. Comcast won't go into Philadelphia because it's TWC territory and vice versa. Can you imagine Wells Fargo and BOA taking that approach? It doesn't help that the head of the FCC is a former cable company lobbyist.
 
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What are the pros/cons to Dish?

I can't get ATT Uverse. I've had Comcast before and really, really don't want to go down that path again assuming they do get SEC Network. Currently have DirecTv, which I've enjoyed for the better part of 6 years but, like the other poster, am worried I may be grabbing my ankles if I keep waiting until August for an announcement.

I seriously don't know a single person with Dish. Can't say I've ever watched it except at a tailgate. Anyone have an experience with them?? Good HD?? Their DVR capacity seems impressive. Other sports coverage good?? Seems fairly inexpensive and have been considering them as a viable alternative.
 

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That brings up an interesting thought regarding "tailgate TV viewing". For those of us who have left Directv for UVerse, does anyone know if there is a portability factor to get Uverse TV to the tailgate sites?
 

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Am I the only one that hates the SEC network at this point?

This is like the league officially selling out. Like when your favorite band you used to see at 2000 seat theaters has to start playing huge *** ****** arenas.

i might be the only one though.
 

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Right now on my App I can watch all the Espns. So you could send it to a tv via AppleTV, or HD cable. Now I don't know how much college football will be blocked from that feature.
 

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Right now on my App I can watch all the Espns. So you could send it to a tv via AppleTV, or HD cable. Now I don't know how much college football will be blocked from that feature.

It's tied to your cable provider, so I assume they would only allow streaming to providers with agreements. I couldn't stream ESPN for a while b/c U-Verse didn't have a streaming agreement.
 

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This is like the league officially selling out. Like when your favorite band you used to see at 2000 seat theaters has to start playing huge *** ****** arenas.

i might be the only one though.
I somewhat feel that way.

I had no problems up here in New York accessing Mississippi State coverage. Hell, the other SEC Network which played mostly MSU games was played on MSG for the whole city to see. I thought that was pretty great for us.

But it ensures we get a "Game Day" every year, attracts students wanting to get into broadcasting across the whole county to us and the other 13 schools because of the production department, gets our production department out of the gutter, gives us more money, and we are ensured that we are forever tied to the fate of some of the biggest, baddest, and most bandwagoned schools in the country. That's great for exposure. There are Cardiff City fans out there because they get to play Manchester United. I'm hoping eventually everyone adopts a team once it's shoved down their throats and we get a lot of "I like those guys" fans.
 

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DISH customer here

I have had Dish for about 8 months now and I love it. The HD looks great, the hopper is awesome, tons of DVR space. I went back and forth between Dish and DirecTV when deciding, but the Dish price was better and I was able to lock into a great rate for 24 mos. Plus, at the end of those 24 months I will be able to sign up for any new offer or special they have.

It's all who is offering the best deal at the time. DirecTV had too many price escalators for my taste. The deal looked great for 6 months, but the monthly rate went up from mos 6-12, and then again after a year.
 
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Dish vs Directv

I, myself have never had anything but Directv, going on 15 years and have visited enough friends that had Dish, Comcast, and others and I've saw enough, or should say havent saw enough to make me ever change to anything but Directv. But I have probably a dozen friends that have made the swap from one to the other. Pretty much every one of then have the same opinion. The ones that have swapped from Dish to Directv are all much much happier with Direct than with Dish. Their only negative was that direct was more expensive, but its a case of you get what you pay for, none of them have even considered swapping back under any circumstance.

4 of 5 of those friends swapped from Directv to Dish for whatever reason, and they all admit that their current setup falls way short to the service/picture they had with Directv and regret the swap.. A couple have even swapped back to Directv once their contracts were up, while none that swapped from Dish to Directv swapped back.

One of the sales pitch Dish uses is the new DVR that will let you record up to 6 shows at one time. My thing is, with my Directv I can record 2 shows and dont find time to watch a third of shows I record, who the 17 has time to watch 6 shows recorded at a time. I dont know weather affects Dish, but in the first handful of years I had Direct anything more than a hard drizzle and it was time to pick out a DVD or turn the playstation on. I dont know what they did to improve that problem but now it takes a pretty nasty thunderstorm with very heavy rain to completely interrupt service. Some channels are worse than others, HD movie channels will lose signal due to less than rain than most stations, while HD local stations almost take a monsoon to knock them out and non HD channels pretty much never get knocked out anymore.
 

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no you aren't alone...............

here's another reason to hate it. State has a huge storage room full of old video footage. It's the SEC's now. Not that State ever did much with it though.
 

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What? You do realize you'll still be watching them on the same TV, don't you? Only difference is they'll be on SECN instead of Fox, syndication, CSS, etc?
 

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I might be forced to using Dish due to my only cable option being TWC, (UVERSE not available in my neighborhood) who doesn't look to be making a play soon. I'm giving TWC until early August.
 

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What? You do realize you'll still be watching them on the same TV, don't you? Only difference is they'll be on SECN instead of Fox, syndication, CSS, etc?

Yeah, that made no sense to me...

If the SEC "sold out", they did it with the first mega contract that put almost every game on TV -- not this one that, while not technically correct, basically just gives us the games that were on FSS, CSS, and PPV previously... and alot more money...
 

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I want to see those Philly or Boston guys, whatever they are, do SEC Network commercials.