Discussion topic - Giants 12 men on the field - got this in an email...

dawgstudent

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How has this rule not been addressed in the past and why do
coaches not run out 12 or even 13 guys on a play like that more often. Think
about this, the Patriots had less than 20 seconds left and had to go 50+ yards
and get a TD. Why would the Giants not run 20 guys on the field,
guarantee an incompletion and remove 8-10 seconds from the clock while in the
process. To me, in that situation, I would trade those 5 yards for that time
all the time. Seems like the only way this doesnt work is if the offense
recognizes the 12 men on the field and just spikes the ball.
 

aTotal360

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They might hit you with delay of game as well and adjust the clock accordingly. Just a thought.
 

davatron

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If the media picks it up and runs with it then the league might have some discussions over the off season.

Just off the top of my head there could be some additional guide lines to the rule. Say inside of two minutes, time is put back on the clock and a five yard penalty is given. There are plenty of ways for the offense to exploit that unfairly, I'm sure, but maybe it will drive some in tents Six Pack message board debate.
 

patdog

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Plus in the last 2 minutes of a game, set the clock where it was when the ball was snapped.
 

TXDawg.sixpack

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The situation is the same, just in reverse. Defensive penalty to intentionally waste time. Assess the 5-yard penalty and ADD 10 seconds to the clock.
 

OMlawdog

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Also in the heat of the moment the rules could have been exploited and nothing been done.

It reminds me of the way the Wisconsin coach exploited the rule that the clock was to start as soon as the ball was kicked.

Here is the article about when Wisconsin abused a rule. What could the refs do? I would have rushed 7 and dropped 8 in coverage, maybe Brady throws a pick and you can run the ball around for a while and run the clock to zero, and leaving the offense only one play after the penalty.

http://www.usatoday.com/s...-06-clock-loophole_x.htm
 

willi13

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There is a HS coach in the Memphis area that has been doing this for a long time. Anytime the opposition is deep in the zone, he trots out an extra player. Most coaches and refs are aware of his strategy by now, but he still does it. Also famous for painting the extra point stripe at the one instead of the three.
 
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High School: It should be a pre-snap penalty (5 yards= illegal substitution), if the Back Judge isasleep and not counting the players then it is a 15 year penalty for illegal participation.

In NCAA if the foul causes the clock to stop you have a 10 second run-off. In the NCAA the Back Judge, Field Judge and Side Judge all have to brain cramp for it not to be a pre-snap penalty.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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yeah but now you are taking away the offenses shot at a big gain. what if the giants had 12 guys on the field, but in the confusion forgot to cover welker, and brady had him wide open for a TD? but the whistle blew the play dead at the snap even though the giants left a guy uncovered.<div>
</div><div>the remedy is the simply put the time back on the clock after the penalty to the time at the snap if the penalty is accepted. if the team declines the penalty and takes the yardage, no time is added. simple. cut and dry.</div>
 

dawgs.sixpack

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Rutherford B Hays said:
In NCAA if the foul causes the clock to stop you have a 10 second run-off. In the NCAA the Back Judge, Field Judge and Side Judge all have to brain cramp for it not to be a pre-snap penalty.
pretty sure in the NCAA there is no clock runoff ever for a defensive penalty. otherwise who cares about 15 yards if you can get the clock down to zero?