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That is literally the main part of the Florida law. That and ensuring kids are only taught age appropriate information.

Curious that you find that funny.
You know the law doesn't actually ban teaching children sex right? You could teach third graders every sex position under the sun and it wouldn't run afoul of this legislation. The only thing you can't do is have discussions about "sexual orientation or gender identity." You could do all the grooming you want as long as you don't mention those two things.

So we can't tell Timmy that some kids have gay parents, but we can explain to Timmy in explicit detail how he arrived on this planet.
 

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You know the law doesn't actually ban teaching children sex right? You could teach third graders every sex position under the sun and it wouldn't run afoul of this legislation. The only thing you can't do is have discussions about "sexual orientation or gender identity." You could do all the grooming you want as long as you don't mention those two things.

So we can't tell Timmy that some kids have gay parents, but we can explain to Timmy in explicit detail how he arrived on this planet.
Actually you're quite wrong but instead of explaining it to you, let's see if you can educate yourself.
 

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Actually you're quite wrong but instead of explaining it to you, let's see if you can educate yourself.
http://laws.flrules.org/2022/22

"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Only part of the bill that deals with anything sex or gender related.
 

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http://laws.flrules.org/2022/22

"Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

Only part of the bill that deals with anything sex or gender related.
Try harder.
 

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Try harder.
I linked the bill. Feel free to prove me wrong using the actual text from the bill. It’s only like two pages of actual legislation so it shouldn’t be hard.

This act where you guys dismiss literally anything that goes against your worldview without actually addressing the points others make has gotten really old. If you’re so confident I’m wrong prove it.
 

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I linked the bill. Feel free to prove me wrong using the actual text from the bill. It’s only like two pages of actual legislation so it shouldn’t be hard.

This act where you guys dismiss literally anything that goes against your worldview without actually addressing the points others make has gotten really old. If you’re so confident I’m wrong prove it.
Its illegal in Florida for sex education before 5th grade so your entire rant earlier was wrong. The bill simply keeps confusing ideas away from young kids. Thats the way it should be.
 

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You know the law doesn't actually ban teaching children sex right? You could teach third graders every sex position under the sun and it wouldn't run afoul of this legislation. The only thing you can't do is have discussions about "sexual orientation or gender identity." You could do all the grooming you want as long as you don't mention those two things.

So we can't tell Timmy that some kids have gay parents, but we can explain to Timmy in explicit detail how he arrived on this planet.
Which was not by his gay parents
 
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You know the law doesn't actually ban teaching children sex right? You could teach third graders every sex position under the sun and it wouldn't run afoul of this legislation. The only thing you can't do is have discussions about "sexual orientation or gender identity." You could do all the grooming you want as long as you don't mention those two things.

So we can't tell Timmy that some kids have gay parents, but we can explain to Timmy in explicit detail how he arrived on this planet.

I guess a person could attempt to teach sex acts without teaching sexual orientation, but this is a meaningless discussion, unless you believe teachers are teaching sex acts to K-3 in schools. The law also does not speak about teaching kids about artificial fertilization of eggs, how to can beets, or mass genocide. Go figure.
 

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I absolutely agree with ukcatz12 that politicians passing/reversing laws based on spite is an absolutely horrible and miserable precedent and everyone should agree with that, but you’re not because most of you are into party politics and your team won.

I also am so GD sick of all these corporations, and every part of society frankly, getting constantly involved in politics. It’s like Jesus Christ can everyone just STFU and live their lives, damn. Disney+ was a miracle to me as it allowed me to completely ignore all news about 2 weeks into COVID and just watch benign cartoons with my kids, it was great. So I’m secretly happy that Disney for some reason felt the need to get into politics and now it’s backfiring. I hope it will cause other companies to just STFU and offer the best product they can moving forward, which I’m sure is a hopeless hope.

Michael Jordan, my favorite athlete growing up, once famously said “Republicans buy shoes too”. I love him for that attitude and not needlessly getting into politics like everyone seems to nowadays. What a breath of fresh air.
My issue is the people who do not live in Florida using their money and political might to fight everything our Governor and State Legislature do. They distort laws the legislature passes and file lawsuits to tie everything up in court knowing it is just a nuisance case but it keeps things in the news and stirs up people like UK fans on a message board.

If you are not a Florida resident why would you be concerned about anything Florida does. Shouldn't the residents decide that by the process set in our state constitution? We live here, our children and grandchildren go to school here, we work here. If Florida passes a law our residents do not agree with, they can vote those responsible out of office.

Why should the most powerful, wealthiest and opinionated corporation in world history use their power and money to interfere? And if they do why scream and cry when their is a backlash against them by the people and parents of the state.
Disney had an opportunity to continue to provide quality entertainment but decided to get political. And they got political against children and parental rights. What do you expect would happen

The law that has opponents in a fit was demanded by the parents of our state. They contacted our state representatives. They made their voices heard. Their representatives listened and they acted. And they acted fast.
 

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If you are not a Florida resident why would you be concerned about anything Florida does.
I don't want to restart an argument about what exactly this bill prohibits, but you can care about the residents of Florida who make be negatively affected by certain legislation. On a selfish level you can care that clumsy legislation will be copied all around the country. Take the recent Texas abortion law that puts enforcement in the hands of private citizens and civil lawsuits. As an enforcement mechanism I do not want private citizens bringing civil lawsuits against people they feel violate certain laws and that new law opened the door for that. California was talking about using that mechanism for a gun control law which I would also vehemently disagree with.
 

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I guess a person could attempt to teach sex acts without teaching sexual orientation, but this is a meaningless discussion, unless you believe teachers are teaching sex acts to K-3 in schools
It's not a meaningless discussion because supporters of the bill have said it bans teaching kids sexual material and it does not. It doesn't mention it anywhere. The issue is people think the any discussion of LGBTQ people is inherently sexual, and it is not.
 

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Its illegal in Florida for sex education before 5th grade so your entire rant earlier was wrong. The bill simply keeps confusing ideas away from young kids. Thats the way it should be.
No it is not illegal. The sexual health education standards in Florida are very sparse. It doesn't tell you what you can't teach, it tells you the minimum that schools must teach. You can view the learning statues here. You will not find that these statues prohibit any sort of sexual education.

All it says is that "The health education curriculum for students in grades 6 through 12 shall include an awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence as the expected standard and the consequences of teenage pregnancy." That wording does not prohibit anything, all it does is set a standard for what the baseline should be.

And we're talking about this bill specifically, not general Florida education standards. My specific quote was "You could teach third graders every sex position under the sun and it wouldn't run afoul of this legislation." A Republican Legislator proposed an amendment to specifically ban sexual content for grades K-3 and it was rejected. People keep saying this bill bans teaching children sex and prohibits grooming, but nothing in the actual bill does either of those things. There's no wording whatsoever that prohibits those things.
 

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It's not a meaningless discussion because supporters of the bill have said it bans teaching kids sexual material and it does not. It doesn't mention it anywhere. The issue is people think the any discussion of LGBTQ people is inherently sexual, and it is not.
I don’t know what some supporters have said, but you like to focus on what some faction says and make a huge production about that despite the fact that it really is not the issue. Now, I don’t think there is a problem in Florida with K-3 teachers teaching sex ed, and some here have pointed out there already is law/policy in place to prohibit that, but I do see impressionable young girls being guided into believing they would be happier as men. There can be little doubt that we have a socialized sexual orientation confusion happening in our society. That is not surprising when people say sexual orientation is not a choice, but then praise the hell out of people for having that claimed innate immutable issue in their lives. It appears to be impacting young girls more and it seems to be a joyful thing for some on your side of this debate. Protecting kids from socialized mental illness is a good thing.
 

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I don't want to restart an argument about what exactly this bill prohibits, but you can care about the residents of Florida who make be negatively affected by certain legislation. On a selfish level you can care that clumsy legislation will be copied all around the country. Take the recent Texas abortion law that puts enforcement in the hands of private citizens and civil lawsuits. As an enforcement mechanism I do not want private citizens bringing civil lawsuits against people they feel violate certain laws and that new law opened the door for that. California was talking about using that mechanism for a gun control law which I would also vehemently disagree with.
That is your opinion. There is nothing in the law that would be negative against our citizens. You think the law is clumsy so I would suggest if your representative voted for it you could take it up with them. The only people I see who are calling it out are liberal lunatics down here and out of state activists. The majority of our residents are quite satisfied.

We have a legislative process down here. We elected a governor and state legislature. If they do not represent our interests we remove them. What Floridians do not like and will not accept are major corporations, Hollywood elites of below average intelligence and athletic teams and players fighting everything we do. I heard a Democrat representative this morning on the radio say, Democrats would file suit against every bill passed by Republicans in the state legislature. All of them. Your attitude reflects this.

I thought in your earlier posts you were a Florida resident but I guess you are not. In what state do you live?
 

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This man sums up the feelings of most people living here. He is a State Representative from Brevard County

 

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When I read about parents who affirm their trans kids I really feel for them. It could so easily have been me. When my kid told me, I found Mermaids Parents via 1st page of Google.
Trans is not a phase they said, get them on blockers quick, get on the list, use GenderGP,

don't use their deadname, change their pronouns, have a fun shopping trip for a new wardrobe and visit the hairdresser, if you don't they will self harm or worse!
But my kid wasn't showing any signs of being the opposite sex and never had before.
Some of the affirming parents...

made worrying posts, SO MANY kids appeared to have ASD or ADHD. Sometimes 5 or more new parents joined each day, all with the exact same story, nobody thought it was odd! A few parents DMd me in private, agreeing with my concerns.

I went deeper into Google's results and found..

a very different story. Studies clearly showed: it COULD be just a phase, Blockers WERE harmful, Xsex hormones were NOT a cure, social contagion IS a thing, affirmation DOES make a difference, kids DO desist, brains are NOT fully developed, gender is NOT biology, therapy CAN help

the suicide studies were flawed, the Dutch study was seriously flawed, in fact all of the 'science' I'd been shown was flawed.
But all those people couldn't be lying or mistaken, why? What's the point?
Then I saw for myself who sponsored who, how many private clinics & surgeons

were popping up. The lobby groups, the politics, the activists, the vulnerability of the gender concept, the cult-like behaviour, shaming and cancelling, the power, the attention...
I actually read JKR's essay!
My entire social group were brainwashed too, I couldn't be open with

them, others had been silenced
Trans friends became activists and obsessed

It was all terrifying-all the time

We never affirmed, we waited and learned and listened. It was the harder path.

My kid no longer feels like the opposite sex.
Therapy & time helps with GD, it's ongoing
 

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That is your opinion. There is nothing in the law that would be negative against our citizens. You think the law is clumsy so I would suggest if your representative voted for it you could take it up with them. The only people I see who are calling it out are liberal lunatics down here and out of state activists. The majority of our residents are quite satisfied.

We have a legislative process down here. We elected a governor and state legislature. If they do not represent our interests we remove them. What Floridians do not like and will not accept are major corporations, Hollywood elites of below average intelligence and athletic teams and players fighting everything we do. I heard a Democrat representative this morning on the radio say, Democrats would file suit against every bill passed by Republicans in the state legislature. All of them. Your attitude reflects this.

I thought in your earlier posts you were a Florida resident but I guess you are not. In what state do you live?
I wasn't speaking specifically to this bill in my answer. I was just answering why someone from out of state would be concerned with laws in another state. I don't think we need to re-litigate how we feel about this specific bill, no one is changing their mind.
 
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This thread has really exposed the groomers... yikes.
It really did. I had no idea some UK fans were so in favor of pedophilia and child grooming. It is scary. Think of how many times I have been in large crowds with them.

The thread turned out to be a good thing because as you said, it exposed some real deviants to keep your distance from.
 

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It's not a meaningless discussion because supporters of the bill have said it bans teaching kids sexual material and it does not. It doesn't mention it anywhere. The issue is people think the any discussion of LGBTQ people is inherently sexual, and it is not.
Nowhere did it mention lgbtqrstuvwxyz in the law. K-3 don't need to be taught gender dysphoria.
 

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Taking this a step further... how does the Disney CEO even survive? I mean, I sold my shares... but there's NO WAY that I would be affiliated with them unless they fired everyone involved.

Do they really expect us, as parents, to trust our kids with them? Are they that stupid?

And the collateral damage to the gay community... its one thing to be gay (most of us nowadays just don't care)... but its an ENTIRELY different matter when they start grooming. Can't help but think folks are going to view the gay community with more suspicion.
 
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Taking this a step further... how does the Disney CEO even survive? I mean, I sold my shares... but there's NO WAY that I would be affiliated with them unless they fired everyone involved.

Do they really expect us, as parents, to trust our kids with them? Are they that stupid?

And the collateral damage to the gay community... its one thing to be gay (most of us nowadays just don't care)... but its an ENTIRELY different matter when they start grooming. Can't help but think folks are going to view the gay community with more suspicion.
The argument is that the primary real owners of Disney - Vanguard, Blackrock, State Street - don’t care about a loss in share price. They’re for this sort of stuff.
 

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You REALLY don't want anything to do with these people if/when you notice them in your real life.

They're ignorant and corrupted; no good can come from it in any respect of your personal life.
100%

One learns to keep their distance from them. The problem is they vote in a block and always to the extreme left. I doubt they reproduce because of their sexual orientation so they depend on expanding by grooming.
 
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how does the Disney CEO even survive?
It was looking 50/50 that he'd stick around even before this. He was hired on basically a short term trial contract after Iger retired and it's been misstep after misstep after misstep for him since he took over. Got into conflicts with their big name Marvel actors, has alienated their theme park fans with incredibly unpopular decisions, pissed off a lot of departments with the way he restructured some divisions, lost a lot of theme park creative talent by moving the division to Florida, and now managed to piss off both sides of this situation. Their last quarter was very profitable but the stock price has been on a six month slide. A few months ago he was probably the most hated CEO in company history and since then he's just made it worse.
 

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The argument is that the primary real owners of Disney - Vanguard, Blackrock, State Street - don’t care about a loss in share price. They’re for this sort of stuff.
Therein lies the problem.

Those folks only do what their McKinsey consultants tell them to do... and McKinsey isn't very good at analyzing outside the bubble... and especially poor with retail.
 
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Sickening and demonic.
This is what Disney is pushing and the reason Florida acted. This little stunt skit tells us all we need to now about the perverted left. If you let them slide with something like this they will just go deeper and deeper into sexual deviant, demonic behavior. It is who they are and who people who posted on this thread complaining want. They are not fooling anyone
 

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Another false flag and just more hogwash from the left. The bill Governor DeSantis signed involves a total of 6 districts in Florida that had special privileges. Not just Disney.

Eliminating these special privileges was long over due and Democrats in this state have made it an issue for decades. The problem was Disney has the most powerful lobby in the State of Florida and resisted the change so it never got to first base. Then some moron executive at Disney decided to attack the Parental Rights Act with all of the political clout and money the Burbank, CA company had to overthrow it. DISNEY STIRRED UP A HORNET'S NEST. Parent's, including Democrat parents went ballistic and demanded the State do something.

When Disney spoke out and declared their war, this gave the State Legislature the green light to act. Something Democrats had called for for years. Now they had Republicans on their side and it happened in a matter of days.

Disney is screwed. They have to accept this. They have no choice because the legislation was not targeted at DISNEY. Other districts around the state, six in total are also involved. They too had special privileges.

Another false narrative put out by the left is Orlando residents will have taxes raised. Again another lie and false flag the left is known for. The citizens of Orange and Osceola county or any Florida resident for that matter will not be paying a dime more because of this legislation. So lie and scream and cry bloody murder but DeSantis will do what the majority of Floridians want and that is make corporations operate under the same rules. No special deals. We have 22 million residents and we are not begging people to move down here anymore. We are not giving out special deals to get companies down here. If they are WOKE they are not welcome in this state. Even Democrats down here agree to that. They are parents too. Well some of them are, the rest are trying to figure out what sex they want to be today
I like watching the left blend in and out of when they’re all for mega corporations. A few years ago they bitched about the Trump tax cut as “a tax cut for the rich” and now they’re crying for Disney. Their brains never connect with stunts like AOC’s “tax the rich” dress and then are crying for corporations.

They didn’t care to shut your mom and pop shop down. But Disney being held to the same as anyone else is a flow of tears.

The left: A party so stupid to back Big Pharma and mega corps and their influence all while believing they’re the rebels.
 
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