The question is not “free speech” but rather is what Disney did protected by the First Amendment from having a government bestowed privilege revoked? I suspect we will discover the answer.
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There is no question. This has nothing to do with free speech. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
It absolutely does. Florida can change tax law regarding Disney all it wants if it has a real reason. They reason they're doing this is the only thing that matters. If they didn't think Reedy Creek existing was in the best interest of the state they can dissolve it all they want. The could dissolve it if they thought Disney was somehow using Reedy Creek to abuse the system. What they can't do is dissolve it because Disney made a statement about a completely non-related bill.
"When Disney kicked the hornet’s nest, we looked at special districts.” That quote 100% shows that this is retribution and the reasoning for dissolving the district has no actual tax concerns behind it.
Baloney. If you somehow think discussions about sexual orientation and gender issues are somehow unrelated to sex then that’s completely on you.
Those that want to claim the bill is unclear would have us believe that professional educators who have been trained on boundary issues are still somehow unsure about what is appropriate. That’s the hill Disney has chosen. That’s their fault.
Maybe, but hold that thought, because it could very well be litigated. The problem for Disney is that perpetuating this story may not make good business sense.
It’s all rooted in religion, but with each passing decade this country is getting less religious and it’s accelerating rapidly. I blame it on the weaponization of Christianity for political and monetary gain. The same arguments against gay marriage were used 50 years earlier against interracial marriage by the same type of people
I find immense hypocrisy in folks getting mad at “don’t make me watch them gays on TV” but being OK with “we need to pray in school and put the 10 commandments up in the courthouse.” Don’t force your beliefs on me, but I want to force my beliefs on you.
This country is filled with prudes who give way too much of a **** about how someone else lives their life. I don’t do religion, but if you or anyone else here does, cool. I hope it makes you happy/fulfilled.
This is "them" imposing their beliefs on "you."
Transgender and nonbinary are neologisms; they are made up words given meaning recently. "You" are imposing your (their) sociological theory on "others."
You can't talk about such things without talking about sex, and I don't want the government or corporations teaching my kids about the birds and the bees, just the 1, 2, 3's. Kids can figure this out on their own without you imposing your worldview on them.
It's same same, religious right and woke left... both unacceptable in our secular liberal society for the same reason you note.
How much of your worldview is based on looking at everything through the prism of your small town? Have you lived in a major city?
Wokeism/Leftism is this country's biggest religion and most profitable gain. There's way more devotion and faith to that than anything else. No one is afraid to offend a Christian but you'll be terrified to offend anyone or anything on the left's voting bloc.
Truly amazing that men are men and women are women is now a political issue. But like with everything on the left, take the craziest **** and try to normalize that and then demonize anyone who didn't drink the Kool-Aid.
Shows how wacked out the left has become that issues that Democrats ran on in the 90s and 2000s are now "far right."
You (conservatives) "wnat" them to continue down this path.
It could be politically devastating for them for a very, very, very long time... even a death knell.
I just want it to stop; this bunk sociological theory has no business being foisted on 4 year olds who do not have the capacity to reason this through, and are incapable of protecting their innocence on their own.
Again, it's bad government when it's the conservatives removing special status from an organization exerting political opinions. It's good government when it's liberals weaponizing the IRS, or removing special status from a church because the pastor talks about something political. Same stuff different situation....
I’m still asking:
granted, I have these clowns on block, but there are still idiots defending this grooming? You sickos
granted, I have these clowns on block, but there are still idiots defending this grooming? You sickos
GET WOKE, GO BROKE! CNBC Anchor: Disney Is ‘Worst Performing Dow Stock’ After 31.5% Tumble
https://newsbusters.org/blogs/busin...n2oYeap0RNZ5DHd0-ZNOv2fHuPnB3Q2myn_lsR9dGGqQEDisney screwed itself. It shot itself in the foot. The State of Florida must move fast to take money from Disney to pay their debts. I think Disney owes 2 billion dollars. Once Florida has the 2 billion, Disney can go broke and few will shed a tear.
Are special tax privileges constitutional rights?
Good one. Why doesn't Universal Studios Orlando, located right down the street from Disney World have the same privileges? How about Lego World, how about any of the other tourist attractions or resorts.
Why only Disney? Disney has enjoyed the privileges for 50 years. They made millions of dollars because of it. Then the company decided to go into Woke Politics and extreme anti-family positions. And now you see what happened.
The left can moan and spin this anyway all day they so choose. Welcome to The Real Florida Disney.
At the time, it was believed Disney would build the city of the future. The Disney focus was diverted, just a bit, and that never happened.
This chest thumping pissing contest will come to an amicable conclusion. Too much $ at stake for both sides.
Yes, because it will go to the courts and eventually a deal will be made. A lot of this is political theatre.
The State of Florida is not finished with the handling of Woke Disney. I have been listening to interviews with state legislatures and a several other hammers are going to be dropped on their head.
Disney lobbied the State to exempt them from the Big Tech act passed last year. The legislature will void that exemption. Disney lobbied hard against sports gambling in the state saying it would contrast their "family friendly image". Truth is they did not want to compete against it. Of course they bought ESPN and sports gambling is one of their main focuses. So Disney has always been a HYPOCRITE and the state legislatures knows that.
Another thing mentioned was Woke Disney can not walk this back. No matter what they say or try to do to change this, it is much too late. Too many things have occurred in the past.
Since Disney declared war on the State of Florida they have lost $50 billion in stock value. They are destroying a once great company over their pushing homosexuality and transgenderism on our children. RIP Disney
Disney has lost $50 billion in value since war with Florida began
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...with-florida-began/ar-AAWuYY1?ocid=uxbndlbing
Doubtful this even hits the courts. Everything in the special district agreement is well set out and agreed to. Everyone will just sit down and play nice over the next year and the result will be a re-certification of the current special district or a new one put in place. And yes just political theatre.
How? It’s what happened. Instead of reinvesting the money in the U.S. economy, the billionaires who got the tax breaks simply deposited it in tax shelters and offshore bank accounts. That’s a fact
Some of you just aren't getting this...
A government can dissolve a special district, or remove tax benefits, or whatever they want to do. But the reason for it still has to be valid.
- Scenario A: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it feels it no longer serves the purpose outlined in the charter.
- Scenario B: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it doesn't like that Disney took a political stance Republicans disagree with.
There were a handful of Trump immigration decisions that got overturned in the courts not because the Executive doesn't have the power to do what was done, but because the justification behind the action was illegitimate. That is what is happening here. Disney doesn't have the right to a special district, but to remove it the Legislature actually needs a legitimate reason to do so other than they don't like that Disney is "woke".
Disney stock has been on a downward trend for over six months now. It has nothing to do with this spat with Florida. Bob Chapek is a crap CEO who, even if you completely remove this situation, is running the company into the ground. He's pissed off their theme park fans with unpopular changes, pissed off their creative talent, pissed off their high profile actors, and now pissed off the state of Florida. The man is just an absolute disaster of a CEO.
"war with Florida"
Hear that everyone? There's war in Florida!
It's hard to take any headline seriously when dramatic language like "war" is used when there's, you know, actual war happening in say, Ukraine. I bet the people of Ukraine feel terrible for Floridians right now, seeing as how the state is at war at the moment.
When my daughter was in third grade she learned about “figures of speech”. I guess you either didn’t make it to third grade or skipped that day.
Right? Our media are complicit in the destruction of the social fabric of our country.
Some newspaper reporter said it was war. We Floridians see it as war. A war on our children. Their policies are poisoning small children and that is as bad as getting a bullet in your body. Mothers of Florida children want to fight in this war. And they are
Disney crossed the line and into this battle by announcing they were going to use their muscle and mighty dollar to over turn our law. That is war. And they can't put the bullet back in their gun.
We have State Legislatues proposing a $25 fee for every car entering WDW. Paid to the State of Florida.
The percentage of consistent church-goers is rapidly declining, but the rates of religiosity I believe will probably level out. Religion is pretty deeply embedded in our social fabric-whether it’s Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or atheism-people are normally invested in some belief system. Around the world, rates of religiosity are actually rising. Don’t count on a secular world anytime soon.
Good lord, how many Billionaires were there in the 80’s?
You must’ve lived through a different decade than I did.
That didn't answer the question. Just more lib whining. I'll try again. Why did Disney deserve this treatment to begin with?
The left fighting for the little guy.
Big Pharma, Google, Disney, etc, just the little guys trying to make it and the left always has these mega corps’ back.
Because your question is irrelevant to the situation at hand. The reasoning for dissolving Reedy Creek is literally all that matters in this case. Members of the legislature have literally said they're only doing this because Disney spoke out. If Florida thought Disney having control over Reedy Creek was no longer proper they should have dissolved the district due to that.
I'll try again:
- Scenario A: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it feels it no longer serves the purpose outlined in the charter.
- Scenario B: Florida dissolves Reedy Creek because it doesn't like that Disney took a political stance Republicans disagree with.
It's mind boggling to me that conservatives are supporting government action against a corporation because the government doesn't like a stance the corporation took. In no other instance would conservatives support the government retaliation against a private entity. You're only supporting this because you disagree with Disney about HB 1557.
The parties at hand are irrelevant. The bottom line is: Do you agree that the government should be able to retaliate against a private entity because the entity spoke out against a government action. For me the answer is absolutely not. I do not care if that private entity is Disney, or Hobby Lobby, or Chick Fil A, or conservative or liberal citizens.
The government gave that privilege and can take it away at any point. Why? They were elected to serve the people. Disney is causing it's own issue. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The point is giving the rich tax breaks doesn’t mean they’re going to do the right thing and put that money in the stock market or invest it in American jobs; in fact, more often than not, they do not reinvest, and corporations who get tax cuts do not hire additional workers. In my experience, at least.
Now, if you want to make things truly fair, eliminate loopholes that allow Amazon not to pay any taxes.
They can take it away but the justification for taking it away needs to be proper. It can't be "we didn't like what Disney did." If Florida had legitimate concerns about the district, voiced those concerns during a normal legislative session, and provided a detailed impact study on what this would do to the tax payers of Orange and Osceola counties I would have zero problem with it.
It's funny you say the government is elected to serve the people. Show me a quote from any legislator showing concern about how the special district affected the people of Orange and Osceola counties. And then show me an impact study showing what dissolving it will do to the tax burden of those same people. You won't find either. Because this isn't a case of a government caring about its people.
If California ever does something like this to a company taking a conservative stance I'm sure you and I will be on the same side. But I think it's important to be able to have a consistent set of principles regardless of the players at hand. In this case the government action I oppose just happens to be from Republicans.
I'm not defending Disney. I'm defending a private party from government retaliation.
And this was over time; that’s how the millionaires became billionaires. That and the .com boom, Windows, Amazon, and social media.
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