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Change, she is a-coming.
Change, she is a-coming.
Division 4 Athletics
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Would a separate division just for one sport be needed since Division I...
...has hundreds of universities participating?
...has hundreds of universities participating?
Just look at the money. Football brings in more than all other sports combined, even for so-called basketball schools like Kentucky and North Carolina. So yeah, it probably does justify being separate from all the other sports. Of course, I think the next move will be to break away from a couple hundred of the other Div. I schools in the other sports as well.
I agree. I'm a bit surprised that the suggestion hasn't been made for the other sports as well but would Division IV allow for other schools to be involved in basketball-- notably the Big East and the American?
I think there would have to be room for the other major basketball conferences. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out. One thing that just popped into my mind is what about Notre Dame? Will this force their hand into joining the ACC fulltime?
I think basketball is going to have to be in the discussion. There are a few billion dollars sitting on the table with the NCAA tourney that the schools could rake in for themselves. Add to that the liability exposure to not just the NCAA, but the member schools with the O'Bannon case, and there are too many reasons to break up basketball too.
i think he's referring to all the programs like florida atlantic and north texas and umass and what not that avg like 10K fans per game and have little to no shot of beating the MSU's and OM's of the CFB world, much less the bama's and lsu's of the CFB world.
i'm hoping the big 12 goes ahead and adds boise and byu. byu is a pretty big traditional school that shouldn't be left behind, and boise is the king of the non-BCS programs and deserves to get taken along with the big boys imo. cincy and uconn also probably deserve to squeeze in somewhere, but otherwise, i can't really make much argument for any of the programs not currently in or soon to be in the big 5 conferences being included.
I smell Congressional Hearings on the matter
Too much $ involved for that not to happen. Non Profit Org. they said... So how will Title 9 work out for those left behind? It goes back to the $...
Too much $ involved for that not to happen. Non Profit Org. they said... So how will Title 9 work out for those left behind? It goes back to the $...
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Both of those teams are a much better fit in the PAC than the Big12. Problem is, they don't bring much to the table monetarily and would almost certainly result in a pay cut for the other teams unless something changes.
meh the pac 12 already has a CG though. big 12 needs to get with the program.
also, pac 12 is universally pretty liberal and already voted down a BYU offer (instead offered utah) because of their extremely religious, conservative beliefs. mormons aren't exactly protestant christians, but their core beliefs and lifestyle choices and overall culture probably have more in common with middle america than eugene, berkeley, LA, seattle, boulder, etc.
They are still adjacent to Pac12 teams/locations and have longstanding "rivalries" with those schools -- and they are half the country away from the entire big12, none of which they care about other than the simple "prestige" of getting to play big games @ OK and Texas, the novelty of which will wear off immediately when the beat downs begin.
You are going to see this "land division"(West Va is the notable example thusfar) absolutely destroy the secluded teams by alienating their fanbases and recruiting bases. The novelty of playing at Texas or Oklahoma are certainly great -- but culturally, socioeconomically, and plain distance, they are about as different as anyone could imagine.
Why would the Big12 take 2 secluded teams in the Pacific Northwest when they could take teams in the east and give West Va some semblance of geographic rivals? Nevermind the eyeball difference that's actually driving all this...
I see one huge difference in College Football and NFL that begs the question: Why do you want to do this?
In college, you have very few schools/teams that millions of people across the entire nation cheer for very year. In fact, I would say that most of the nation cheer against Notre Dame, Alabama, Texas and USC. College Sports (especially football) has regional followers, but primarily supporters of those particular geographic school one attended or grew up cheering for.
The NFL, on the other hand, though it has huge Regional support for the teams in each geographical area, also has thousands of drive by fans of teams. Green Bay jerseys can be seen on people in all 48 contiguous states, as do Oakland Raiders, Miami Dolphins, the self professed Americas Team Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers and even the New Orleans Saints, who were the darling of the Super Bowl run because of their underdog status.
I doubt you will see very many drive by fans in Wisconsin or Iowa suddenly become LSU fans or Georgia fans with no connection to those schools.
The vast majority of people who want this, very much want to separate the haves from the have nots. And my friends, WE MSU Bulldogs fall into the HAVE NOTS!
In college, you have very few schools/teams that millions of people across the entire nation cheer for very year. In fact, I would say that most of the nation cheer against Notre Dame, Alabama, Texas and USC. College Sports (especially football) has regional followers, but primarily supporters of those particular geographic school one attended or grew up cheering for.
The NFL, on the other hand, though it has huge Regional support for the teams in each geographical area, also has thousands of drive by fans of teams. Green Bay jerseys can be seen on people in all 48 contiguous states, as do Oakland Raiders, Miami Dolphins, the self professed Americas Team Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers and even the New Orleans Saints, who were the darling of the Super Bowl run because of their underdog status.
I doubt you will see very many drive by fans in Wisconsin or Iowa suddenly become LSU fans or Georgia fans with no connection to those schools.
The vast majority of people who want this, very much want to separate the haves from the have nots. And my friends, WE MSU Bulldogs fall into the HAVE NOTS!
Who could the Big 12 take in the East that they would actually want? Cincinnati for sure. But that's it. Nobody's going to take Boise. It's just never going to happen. I don't see the PAC-12 taking BYU since they already have Utah. I think they're done.
The AZ schools and WSU are not so liberal. Instead, BYU was not invited to the PAC-10 because it is widely considered a joke of an academic institution. It would have been an academic scandal waiting to happen. So long as they keep a low profile and don't take too much of the money, other schools and the NCAA leave them alone.
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think there is a Title IX issue here as long as you still have the same number of men and women scholarship sports. I think the real issue is perception from athletes in other sports, the "why am I not getting paid" attitude that will likely lead to a college strike in at least basketball. Problem is, most schools (us included) will not be able to afford to pay athletes in anything but football, as most other sports are money pits already.