Do you now forgive NJ.com/Star Ledger?

[Sir ScarletKnight]

I don't. I still feel that they sensationalized and hurt the reputation of the University more than any of Flood's actions by making it seem like the University as a whole was tarnished by this.

But they were still somewhat right.

Thoughts?

 

[mal359]

The SL boycotters here who call college students "coddled" suffer from a severe case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[RUChoppin]

Crap paper even outside of RU stories, but a product of its time in sensationalizing molehills into mountains. I stopped reading/clicking during Sherman/Margolin - the incidents of the last several weeks haven't changed my mind.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

What? No. The SL writers still sensationalized everything surrounding our school for personal gain. Nothing has changed regarding their willingness to tarnish our school's image. Just because the report now indicates Flood was far dumber than we all assumed, doesn't vindicate them in the slightest.

A lot of Rutgers wounds are self-inflicted, to be sure, but there is no doubt that the SL has played a large role in turning a significant portion of the State against RU. They consistently run Rutgers stories with intellectually dishonest headlines, and outright misinformation.

 

[Scarlet16e2]

They still used our problems to further their agenda. F em

 

[MADHAT1]

From the Josh and Ted days the Star Ledger has been more of an enemy towards RU FB than unbiased.
Just because they fell into the truth, doesn't make that rag innocent of biased reporting .

 

[new jersey1_rivals661559]

What? No. The SL writers still sensationalized everything surrounding our school for personal gain. Nothing has changed regarding their willingness to tarnish our school's image. Just because the report now indicates Flood was far dumber than we all assumed, doesn't vindicate them in the slightest.

A lot of Rutgers wounds are self-inflicted, to be sure, but there is no doubt that the SL has played a large role in turning a significant portion of the State against RU. They consistently run Rutgers stories with intellectually dishonest headlines, and outright misinformation.

Have to agree with this.

 

[ArminRU]

uhhh no. It just could have easily gone the other way. They did not care either way, they just wanted to create drama to support their ****** jobs and ****** paper.

 

[Section118]

They still used our problems to further their agenda. F em

I don't read anything from them. But honestly what paper that exists now and days doesn't?

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

They were right our fans need to get over it.

 

[JPhoboken]

Seriously? Did you read the Politi crap politi just wrote? We get it, Flood messed up, should not have done what he did. but does Rutgers need to be lectured by a journalist who sensationalizes and makes up stuff, and calls for mass firings on a weekly basis for his and his papers personal gain? And lectured JH about her not being sensitive for people losing jobs while at the same time calling for people at Rutgers to lose their job.

Nothing changed for me and how they operate.

 

[motorb54]

No.

 

[JPhoboken]

They were right our fans need to get over it.

Sensationalizing the news and reporting the news are two different things.You want them all to get pulitzers now?

 

[MADHAT1]

http://uselesstriviaandmindlessrants.blogspot.com/2008/12/rutgers-fans-versus-star-ledger.html

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

Sensationalizing the news and reporting the news are two different things.You want them all to get pulitzers now?

No, I want the Flood supporters to do what the Rice and Pernetti supporters never did- admit the SL was right to call on all 3 of them to be fired.

I hate the SL, but the three were way over their heads and it's time RU fans admit it.

 

[DHajekRC84]

http://uselesstriviaandmindlessrants.blogspot.com/2008/12/rutgers-fans-versus-star-ledger.html

I am as proud as ever that my name is on the bottom of that Ad.
As for this time.."even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile"
They suck and it is not just about Rutgers Football..they have plenty of other agendas I don't care for.

 

[RU848789]

The SL boycotters here who call college students "coddled" suffer from a severe case of cognitive dissonance.

Yep...while I do think the SL folks hype the "bad news" to get traffic/clicks, they're not making this **** up - as I said on another thread, if you don't want them reporting dumb stuff, don't do dumb stuff.

 

[sugarkane2]

I don't. I still feel that they sensationalized and hurt the reputation of the University more than any of Flood's actions by making it seem like the University as a whole was tarnished by this.

But they were still somewhat right.

Thoughts?

no, are you crazy, no way.....

 

[JPhoboken]

No, I want the Flood supporters to do what the Rice and Pernetti supporters never did- admit the SL was right to call on all 3 of them to be fired.

I hate the SL, but the three were way over their heads and it's time RU fans admit it.

I am a Rutgers supporter, not a Flood supporter. Not going to go back and rehash RIce and Pernetti and how that was handled.

I think coaches should be fired over W-L records, not this. Maybe he is in over his head, maybe he isn't. Time will tell. Flood was wrong, but remember, he broke some rules that don't even exist at other schools and he never asked to have a grade changed, only what could be done to improve. We know this, the report said he did not violate any academic integrity rules. Again, the way he went about it was wrong, but IMO, does not rise to the level of dismissal, so no I don't agree with Politi and the SL calling for him to be fired for this. And no, they do not get let off the hook due to their sensationalized journalism.

 

[NotInRHouse_anon]

I am a Rutgers supporter, not a Flood supporter. Not going to go back and rehash RIce and Pernetti and how that was handled.

I think coaches should be fired over W-L records, not this. Maybe he is in over his head, maybe he isn't. Time will tell. Flood was wrong, but remember, he broke some rules that don't even exist at other schools and he never asked to have a grade changed, only what could be done to improve. We know this, the report said he did not violate any academic integrity rules. Again, the way he went about it was wrong, but IMO, does not rise to the level of dismissal, so no I don't agree with Politi and the SL calling for him to be fired for this. And no, they do not get let off the hook due to their sensationalized journalism.

Did you even read the report? Flood is not a leader. His teams are undisciplined and so is he. No one is above the rules especially if you don't win which he doesn't.

 

[sugarkane2]

Did you even read the report? Flood is not a leader. His teams are undisciplined and so is he. No one is above the rules especially if you don't win which he doesn't.

I'm done, too tired..later

 

[JPhoboken]

Did you even read the report? Flood is not a leader. His teams are undisciplined and so is he. No one is above the rules especially if you don't win which he doesn't.

Yes, I read the report. And as I said, what he did was wrong. He has been suspended for three games. Just because I do not believe he should be fired over this, doesn't mean I am not disgusted with this whole sordid mess.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

There is no hindsight here. politi called for flood to be fired almost immediately. He did not have any of this information when he wrote that column. That it is now worse than we expected doesnt justify his column in the least.

These journalists call for people to lose their livelihoods almost daily, and there are zero repercussions whether they are right, wrong, or neither. Yet they call Julie every name in the book when she suggests she hopes they go out of business. The sheer hypocrisy of it is astounding, something that could only be expected from people who have concern not over what is fair and true, but only what people will pay attention to.

They consistently use the "taxpayer money" angle, which is not only untruthful, but it turns non-Rutgers people against our school. They purposely design headlines to be technically true but completely dishonest - "5 Rutgers Players Arrested for Home Invasions, Assault." But they are defended on these boards. Unreal.

If you think there is no agenda at this point, you are brain dead, plain and simple. Their goal is to create controversy to generate web traffic. The truth and fair reporting have nothing to do with it.

 

[RutgersROB]

they werent right at all its not like they predicted it....they probably the ones that paid for the story or paid for the leak

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

Cabbagehead nailed it:

"These journalists call for people to lose their livelihoods almost daily, and there are zero repercussions whether they are right, wrong, or neither."

I would rather read the info and opinions from a variety of posters on this message board and draw my own conclusions than read the SL and be spoon fed biased "info" from people who only want to sell more papers.

-Scarlet Jerry

 

[Sir ScarletKnight]

There is no hindsight here. politi called for flood to be fired almost immediately. He did not have any of this information when he wrote that column. That it is now worse than we expected doesnt justify his column in the least.

These journalists call for people to lose their livelihoods almost daily, and there are zero repercussions whether they are right, wrong, or neither. Yet they call Julie every name in the book when she suggests she hopes they go out of business. The sheer hypocrisy of it is astounding, something that could only be expected from people who have concern not over what is fair and true, but only what people will pay attention to.

They consistently use the "taxpayer money" angle, which is not only untruthful, but it turns non-Rutgers people against our school. They purposely design headlines to be technically true but completely dishonest - "5 Rutgers Players Arrested for Home Invasions, Assault." But they are defended on these boards. Unreal.

If you think there is no agenda at this point, you are brain dead, plain and simple. Their goal is to create controversy to generate web traffic. The truth and fair reporting have nothing to do with it.

Who's defending them?

 

[S_Janowski]

No, I want the Flood supporters to do what the Rice and Pernetti supporters never did- admit the SL was right to call on all 3 of them to be fired.

I hate the SL, but the three were way over their heads and it's time RU fans admit it.

The SL had zero facts or proof of anything it was ridiculous for them to call Flood to be fired until everything came out.

With that said I could care less if they call for it now. He deserves it for being so dumb.

 

[Caliknight]

Who cares if they are right? They could be right about Flood getting a speeding ticket but that doesn't mean he needs to be suspended.

Our administration is a bunch of candy *** pussies. I wish we had UNC's administration. They know how to handle business.

Donation? Lol...

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Who cares if they are right? They could be right about Flood getting a speeding ticket but that doesn't mean he needs to be suspended.

Our administration is a bunch of candy *** pussies. I wish we had UNC's administration. They know how to handle business.

Donation? Lol...

Rutgers football keeps them in business. They have nothing else. If Barchi, Herman, Flood, and the players ever stopped doing and saying stupid things, they would disappear.

 

[RUTBAY]

This happened


After years of doing this

 

[RUTBAY]

No, I want the Flood supporters to do what the Rice and Pernetti supporters never did- admit the SL was right to call on all 3 of them to be fired.

I hate the SL, but the three were way over their heads and it's time RU fans admit it.

The SL may have been right about Flood ultimately but let me give you an analogy.

A newspaper calls for someone to be fired since they "lost control" of their vehicle because they made an illegal right hand turn on red. After the fact, everyone (including the newspaper) finds out that that what really happened is that after illegal right on red he drove through the storefront of a Wawa and pulled a DUI.

Does it mean the original reason for them calling for the person to lose their job was the right position to take?

I'm not sure Pernetti deserved to be fired for that incident even though in retrospect he turned out to be one the worst ADs we've had in school history. Certainly Mulcahy did not deserve to get the axe.

 

[mtmids]

This happened


After years of doing this

Agree 100% - this ship sailed long ago

 

[srru86]

Going back to my religious education you can only be forgiven for sins you admit. So when the Star Ledger prints the retraction that they published an article outlining the details of Schiano's contract years before they went to breathlessly reporting his "secret contract" to sabotage Mulcahy to further the political interests of their unnamed source I will then consider forgiving them for their journalistic defilement.
I'll be waiting.
Even then I won't forget.

 

[m1ipabrams]

I don't. I still feel that they sensationalized and hurt the reputation of the University more than any of Flood's actions by making it seem like the University as a whole was tarnished by this.

But they were still somewhat right.

Thoughts?

No. Still sensationalized too much.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Going back to my religious education you can only be forgiven for sins you admit. So when the Star Ledger prints the retraction that they published an article outlining the details of Schiano's contract years before they went to breathlessly reporting his "secret contract" to sabotage Mulcahy to further the political interests of their unnamed source I will then consider forgiving them for their journalistic defilement.
I'll be waiting.
Even then I won't forget.

+1,000.

Or how about the story on Myles Mack, noting that he was wrongfully arrested by Paterson police while picking up dinner with his friend, and was not only never charged, but the police bought his dinner to apologize. We just get the "Rutgers star Mack arrested in Prostitution Bust" but never the story correcting what actually happened.

Or how about the story noting the actual amount of taxpayer money that goes to Rutgers Athletics. Rather than just saying "taxpayer funded" which implies taxpayers pay for the entire program. When they were after Mulcahy's head (a purely political move, where the SL was used by its "sources") they published facts in the most misleading way possible. They repeatedly suggested that the entire $100mm expansion was paid with taxpayer dollars, although of course very carefully worded so as not to be false.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Who's defending them?

Well, NotInRHouse is all over these boards claiming they were right, and suggesting that people should admit that they were right. Which of course is ridiculous, because what were they right about? Right to call for Flood to be fired? That is an opinion, and Politi recklessly called for someone to be fired with no facts.

RU#'s is all over the place suggesting that there is no SL agenda against RU and people refusing to link articles are being silly, MikeMarc1 regularly defends their reporting as fair, because it is "not technically inaccurate" which is their precise intent, to mislead and sensationalize. Of course they cannot print outright lies, because then Rutgers would sue.

I suppose people are entitled to their opinions on the issue, but I really take issue with anyone who claims to be a Rutgers supporter who doesn't realize the paper regularly attacks our school for its own well being. There is a reason Pernetti blew his nose in the paper and Hermann said she hoped they went out of the business. If you talk to people who actually run RU, they are not shy about recognizing the damage the SL tries to do.

The made-up Muclahy scandal and the "$100mm of taxpayer money" spent on the stadium turned thousands upon thousands of taxpaying residents against Rutgers, because they think they were forced to pay for something they didn't want. The public perception damage we weathered in that campaign is impossible to quantify.

 

[bwifan_rivals16507]

You mean the media/press had an agenda to do harm to a university? Where have we seen this before...

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

A broken clock is right twice a day. They should not be forgiven for their agenda to destroy RU football, though.

 

[megadrone]

No. It didn't need to be on the front page of today's print edition. That shows their agenda. Front page sports would have been ok.

 

[JPhoboken]

+1,000.

Or how about the story on Myles Mack, noting that he was wrongfully arrested by Paterson police while picking up dinner with his friend, and was not only never charged, but the police bought his dinner to apologize. We just get the "Rutgers star Mack arrested in Prostitution Bust" but never the story correcting what actually happened.

Or how about the story noting the actual amount of taxpayer money that goes to Rutgers Athletics. Rather than just saying "taxpayer funded" which implies taxpayers pay for the entire program. When they were after Mulcahy's head (a purely political move, where the SL was used by its "sources") they published facts in the most misleading way possible. They repeatedly suggested that the entire $100mm expansion was paid with taxpayer dollars, although of course very carefully worded so as not to be false.

I have never seen a retraction, if Myles Mack was not charged, its unforgivable for the SL not to print this.