I understand it is a road win against an SEC opponent, but it's also Vandy. Maybe I am letting my maroon colored glasses cloud my opinion of there win.
Do you think Ole Miss over Vandy is getting a little to much hype?
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sec rankings on espn, si top 25 from unranked, I don't know guess they need something to write about
Of course it is.
But at this point in the season, what else is there to talk about? The Bears barely pulled out a win in a game they were picked to win. But they won. Period. How good is Vandy? Who knows. This win may not look as good or may even look better further down the road. But as of now, we just don't know enough.
But at this point in the season, what else is there to talk about? The Bears barely pulled out a win in a game they were picked to win. But they won. Period. How good is Vandy? Who knows. This win may not look as good or may even look better further down the road. But as of now, we just don't know enough.
I guess you missed Desmond Howard picking you guys to beat Texas then
upset Alabama on Gameday this past week.
upset Alabama on Gameday this past week.
I think if anything, it is just getting talked about because it ended up being a damn good game with a nail-biting ending.
Still, its a big win for us. Say what you will, but I think everyone recognizes this isn't your typical Vandy team anymore. I'm not saying that beating them was like beating the '72 Dolphins. But, they are a solid team that should be able to reach another bowl game this year. Plus winning on the road in the SEC after losing something like 7 or 8 straight SEC openers is like getting the monkey off our back.
Still, its a big win for us. Say what you will, but I think everyone recognizes this isn't your typical Vandy team anymore. I'm not saying that beating them was like beating the '72 Dolphins. But, they are a solid team that should be able to reach another bowl game this year. Plus winning on the road in the SEC after losing something like 7 or 8 straight SEC openers is like getting the monkey off our back.
I have not seen them getting just a ton of hype. There was a lot of talk after the Vandy game just because it was a good game for an unbiased outsider watching it on TV.
OM might even move into the top 25 after creaming SEMO this weekend. However, I think even the most homerific OM fan knows what looms on the horizon. If they opened with Texas then they would probably feel like we do right now.
OM might even move into the top 25 after creaming SEMO this weekend. However, I think even the most homerific OM fan knows what looms on the horizon. If they opened with Texas then they would probably feel like we do right now.
Well, they are already ahead of 50% of the teams that played last week because they were on the winning side instead of the losing side...
We're 7th on that espn SEC ranking.
Top 25 polls are meaningless before week 5.
How is that "hype"? It's literally middle of the conference.
Top 25 polls are meaningless before week 5.
on one hand, its a 9 win vandy team, but on the other, they are replacing a starting qb and a great rb...one that carried this team on his back more than once in his time in nashville....i think vandy is a comparable team to our own.
that said, vandy had that game won with the bears dead to rights, yet couldnt hold on. i think the bears offense will get better, but something nobody is talking about is the lack of down-field passes from wallace the other night. that om playbook looked really limited with most of the yardage coming from yac after a 5-10 yard passes. bo did catch vandy sleeping on one play in the 3rd where he threw about a 25 yard pass over the middle, but it didnt exactly look like it had zip on it.
om will get better game after game, so the team we saw last thursday, will be different than the one we see, but i didnt see anything elite out there. i was impressed with treadwell and conner so i suspect most of the talk is tied to the hype of the recruiting class.
that said, vandy had that game won with the bears dead to rights, yet couldnt hold on. i think the bears offense will get better, but something nobody is talking about is the lack of down-field passes from wallace the other night. that om playbook looked really limited with most of the yardage coming from yac after a 5-10 yard passes. bo did catch vandy sleeping on one play in the 3rd where he threw about a 25 yard pass over the middle, but it didnt exactly look like it had zip on it.
om will get better game after game, so the team we saw last thursday, will be different than the one we see, but i didnt see anything elite out there. i was impressed with treadwell and conner so i suspect most of the talk is tied to the hype of the recruiting class.
It's not getting too much hype. That was a good win.
This isn't Vandy from years past. They're getting good recruiting classes and they have a damn good coach.
I wouldn't weigh it as heavily as a typical road SEC win because it looked like there were as many Bear fans there as the home team. How often does that happen in the SEC?
I would, however, give more weight based on the number of true freshmens responsible for that win.
The Bear QB has a noodle arm but still managed to distribute the ball to playmakers because the coach put his players in positions to win the game. Bucky outcoached a good coach on the road. Quality win.
This isn't Vandy from years past. They're getting good recruiting classes and they have a damn good coach.
I wouldn't weigh it as heavily as a typical road SEC win because it looked like there were as many Bear fans there as the home team. How often does that happen in the SEC?
I would, however, give more weight based on the number of true freshmens responsible for that win.
The Bear QB has a noodle arm but still managed to distribute the ball to playmakers because the coach put his players in positions to win the game. Bucky outcoached a good coach on the road. Quality win.
The Bears deserve a great deal of credit for not giving up. They fought hard to
win that game and I admire that quality. I do think they have some issues in secondary and offensive line if not addressed will make them mediocre but that is my personal opinion and not one shared by too many. They put pressure on the other team with their pace and with the quick developing nature of their plays, wish we did that. When they realized their offensive line couldn't handle Vandy then they stopped trying to drop back, everything was quick hitter off play action, that is good coaching and adjusting.
win that game and I admire that quality. I do think they have some issues in secondary and offensive line if not addressed will make them mediocre but that is my personal opinion and not one shared by too many. They put pressure on the other team with their pace and with the quick developing nature of their plays, wish we did that. When they realized their offensive line couldn't handle Vandy then they stopped trying to drop back, everything was quick hitter off play action, that is good coaching and adjusting.
I don't think so. It was a quality win. I haven't seen many writers or analysts acting like they beat 85 Oklahoma or anything, although some of my bear friends are acting that way. I don't consider them representative of the whole.
And honestly who else should be ahead of y'all?
Certainly not State, UK, or Vandy. The rest (Aub, Mizzou, Ark, UT) were bad teams last year that proved what this week? Nothing.
Certainly not State, UK, or Vandy. The rest (Aub, Mizzou, Ark, UT) were bad teams last year that proved what this week? Nothing.
Honest and good assessment Coach. I have no idea how good either team is at this point. I do know that Vandy has a very good coach and he squeezes every tiny morsel out of their talent. Matthews is a beast. How good is the defense once we get our bust problems worked out? On paper we're better than last yr, but it sure didn't look like it Saturday. I hope that was because we had some cornerbacks at less than 100% + Vandy will be pretty good on O, I hope
You guys were very fortunate that the other good wide out was suspended.
With him out you were able to triple team Matthews most of the game and as you said the guy was a beast, very impressive skills and the heart of a champion. I really think this was the difference in the game. I think Vandy could have exploited your secondary and would have edged you guys out but it would have been close.
I think your team will get better as the year goes along and you have a good shot at a 7 to 8 win season. If we can find our offensive identity and improve we can win six games, I think.
With him out you were able to triple team Matthews most of the game and as you said the guy was a beast, very impressive skills and the heart of a champion. I really think this was the difference in the game. I think Vandy could have exploited your secondary and would have edged you guys out but it would have been close.
I think your team will get better as the year goes along and you have a good shot at a 7 to 8 win season. If we can find our offensive identity and improve we can win six games, I think.
OL was different in the second half playing Tunsil and Golson and that will improve the more they play. DB play was tied to the starters playing about 20% of the snaps due to injury. We played primarily our second team CBs which is a recipe for disaster for near about every team everywhere.
I agree that both those guys are going to be great players but they protected
the offensive line in the second half and did not ask those guys to do as much in my opinion. I think anytime you are starting true freshmen in the SEC, even those of the high quality as Tunsil, Golson, RK, and Quan you are going to run into some issues that can hurt you in big games especially as the competition gets tougher.
I think you guys have a talented, well coached team. With that said I'm not ready to give us on us either but we got to take a look in the mirror and decide what we can do best and then go do it. Stop 17ing around.
the offensive line in the second half and did not ask those guys to do as much in my opinion. I think anytime you are starting true freshmen in the SEC, even those of the high quality as Tunsil, Golson, RK, and Quan you are going to run into some issues that can hurt you in big games especially as the competition gets tougher.
I think you guys have a talented, well coached team. With that said I'm not ready to give us on us either but we got to take a look in the mirror and decide what we can do best and then go do it. Stop 17ing around.
Where's the hype?
Is it just in the CL, or just in Mississippi? Because I haven't heard anybody else dwell on it beyond the day of the game. Maybe ESPN has but I don't watch them much except when they're showing a game, so maybe I missed it. It's certainly not dwelt upon here in Alabama though.
Is it just in the CL, or just in Mississippi? Because I haven't heard anybody else dwell on it beyond the day of the game. Maybe ESPN has but I don't watch them much except when they're showing a game, so maybe I missed it. It's certainly not dwelt upon here in Alabama though.
Actually, Boyd's replacement finished with a stat very similar to what Boyd produced opposite Matthews, and had enough catches spread throughout the game that Ole Miss had to account for him. The Rebels bracketed Matthews with double (which he beat anyway, literally slicing through on that 4th down catch) but they didn't "triple team him all night."
We obviously don't know the same OM fans. Before the Vandy game, I think more would go along with that thought. But since the win, and the hype, I bet it's a small minority. I'm sure the Texas game is in the 'W' column now.
Texas will beat them by three TDs next weekend. Nutt left them almost totally void of talent.....worst in the league. None of their seniors will be drafted at all (for the 3rd year in a row). Very weak junior class too (most of the hyped players from that recruiting class are gone or never even made it to campus). Their sophmore class was rated about #42 in the country. Dan has out-recruited them four out of his five years!
They do apparently have a great freshman class, but you can't win in the SEC with just that! They will be lucky to win six (regular season) again this year.
They do apparently have a great freshman class, but you can't win in the SEC with just that! They will be lucky to win six (regular season) again this year.
I do know that Tunsil graded out extremely high, that's the words of Matt Luke. I watched him a lot and on a replay and I don't remember him getting beat once. He was the best OT in the game and that includes the two Ole Miss seniors. Golson was less spectacular but Wallace said he wasn't touched once with them in the game and that's all that mattered. There was actually some semblance of a pocket in the second half. But I do agree with you that there will be learning curves...especially against the Texas DL and then upper echelon SEC DL.
Yeah, triple team is a stretch. I did notice on a few catches he had three guys
on him but I can't say that is how it went the whole game. You are a smart guy and I know you know that Boyd being out hurt Vandy significantly, whether it would have been the difference is up for debate but it could have given them the edge with your secondary playing as poorly as they did on that night.
on him but I can't say that is how it went the whole game. You are a smart guy and I know you know that Boyd being out hurt Vandy significantly, whether it would have been the difference is up for debate but it could have given them the edge with your secondary playing as poorly as they did on that night.
Where do you get that Dan has out-recruited them 4 out of 5 years? I'd love to be able to quote that. When I looked it up on ESPN, the bears recruited better than us in 2013, 2011, 2010, and 2009. The only year Dan came out on top was they year they fired Nuttcase and finished 42nd. What service did you use?
You're saying based on "performance" not a rating service, right? ESPN had us finishing behind them in recruiting 4 of Mullen's 5 years. Our 4 year 24/7 composite recruiting score is higher than theirs (28 vs 28.5) but that is because in 2012 we were 28th (or better depending on the service) and 2012 was their worst in forever (42nd).
I still don't see how you can say "what was put on the field" from those latter years was "unquestionably" better, when the players that beat our asses last year were freshmen and sophomores from the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes. Those guys beat our seniors that went pro.
I still don't see how you can say "what was put on the field" from those latter years was "unquestionably" better, when the players that beat our asses last year were freshmen and sophomores from the 2011 and 2012 recruiting classes. Those guys beat our seniors that went pro.
What class were James and Evans in? They were the crown jewels as I recall, and the production has been low to say the least
That 2012 assertion is quite the stretch. We already have 5 starters (Elston, Gross, Wallace, Hilton, Burton) from that class and 6 others that get significant playing time (Collins [started against Vandy], Ward, Mathers, Walton, Core, Burdette [started against Vandy]).
You have, what, Autry, Siddoway, Devon Bell, and a couple of non-existant 4/5* DL?
If you're going on "what was put on the field," it's pretty clear our 2012 class has been better so far.
You have, what, Autry, Siddoway, Devon Bell, and a couple of non-existant 4/5* DL?
If you're going on "what was put on the field," it's pretty clear our 2012 class has been better so far.
You have 5 starters because you had no choice but to start them
Seeing that most of ours redshirted I think we will see soon that Mullen pulled a good class last year
Seeing that most of ours redshirted I think we will see soon that Mullen pulled a good class last year
We waxed you in 2012. It's not even a question. Can't judge redshirt freshmen and sophomores yet. First, we finished 22 and you finished 48 in the 247 composite rankings. You can pretty much call that a victory even if you take out outliers and such. It's not even a contest.
Yall signed 10 more players than we did. We signed 18 players. I think most of the services rank the top 25 players so we got "0" points for 7 players. Even 7 middle of the road 3 star guys would've made a huge difference in the rankings. It wasn't a contest because we Freeze didn't have time to assemble a full class. I thought ya'll didn't pay attention to 'crootin' rankings
I thought we were judging based on what was put on the field, not recruiting hype? Because that's all yours are at this point. If they were good enough to play last year, they would have.