Do you think rick ray

[dannyripms]

Could win if he had hood and some other good players? We need to be real and ask if ray had a good group of players could he win big or would he some how mess it up and end up mediocre. Personally I don't think he can win with great talent. Somehow he would screw it up.

 

[HD6]

The real question is would Bill Self or Rick Pitino win with what Rick Ray has? No coach wins without talent.

 

[98dawg]

But how do you get talent when you were an unknown assistant from a poor program and have had no success as a head coach?

 

[8dog]

Ask rick stansbury.

 

[Rog.sixpack]

Hi-Oh

Phil Cunningham is killing it at Troy, though

Ask rick stansbury.

 

[dannyripms]

True, but I think pitino would win more games and we wouldn't get blown out every game. With the schedule we have I believe he win at least 7 more games.

 

[ArcherSPS]

You mean the guy that was an assistant on a Final Four/Sweet16/SEC Championship winning program?

 

[8dog]

Ha. Well ray was an assistant on about 5 or 6 tourney teams at purdue and clemson. Including two sweet sixteens. On paper his coaching prep for this job was far better than stans ever was

 

[Philly Dawg]

It matters which assistant you were. Cuonzo Martin was the assistant at Purdue in the role Rick Stansbury had at MSU.

 

[HD6]

You are crazy.

 

[Faustdog]

Ask rick stansbury.

The difference is that Stans was a known recruiter even then. He was able to jump in and recruit. At this point in Stansbury's career, he had already landed recruits like Derrick Zimmerman and Markell Patterson. After his second season he pulled McDonalds AA Mario Austin from Alabama and national top 100 Timmy Bowers. And he did it despite bad attendance and a bad record in 99.

We need a lights out recruiter to win at State. We're going have to take some chances and put up with the Robert Jacksons and Kodi Augustus's in the process, but I would sure rather be where we were than where we are now. I hope Ray gets it together. We are obviously never going to be Duke, but we can be a team that makes the tourney most years and makes a decent tourney run once or twice a decade.

 

[8dog]

I was mostly mocking the idea that where you come from
Or whether people know who you are determines whether you can recruit or not.

I really dont have an opinion on ray. I havent seen a real class of his play and i cant tell what kind of coach he is because the talent is so bad

I do know we are right where we would be with stans as coach---not in the ncaa tourney. And thats all i care about. Im not as passionate as most of yall about just being
Competitive.

 

[Philly Dawg]

Since you only care about getting to the NCAA tournament, I would have thought you'd be a huge Stansbury fan since he took us to more than half of our all time appearances.

 

[DerHntr]

Since you only care about getting to the NCAA tournament, I would have thought you'd be a huge Stansbury fan since he took us to more than half of our all time appearances.

Sigh. Should have kept Polk as well since the past is always the best predictor of the future, no matter what current results and other deliverables say. **

 

[8dog]

Was definitely a fan 02-05. Not so much the last 7 years. Coaches run their course. He had run his

 

[hatfieldms]

Exactly

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[squirldawg]

Yes, I believe Pitino or Self would win more because...

we are fundamentally unsound on the defensive end of the floor and neither would stand for that. Our defense is offensive.

The real question is would Bill Self or Rick Pitino win with what Rick Ray has? No coach wins without talent.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

We wouldn't have the same team if either of those guys were coach.

 

[HD6]

How? Subbing Borchert for Cunningham? That would help.

 

[squirldawg]

I don't think we are fundamentally sound defensively, no matter the players...

We play awful team defense, often missing help assignments. Individually, Fred Thomas is the only player on the team that is a really good defender. Defense is more about position that anything else. Whit Hughes was a great team defender in 96 and he didn't have half the athletic ability of a Colin Borchert.

How? Subbing Borchert for Cunningham? That would help.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Well, if you are posting about Phil Cunningham ...

You mean the guy that was an assistant on a Final Four/Sweet16/SEC Championship winning program?

He didn't join Mississippi State staff until well after the final four. Think he was hired around early 2000.

 

[engie]

The difference is that Stans was a known recruiter even then. He was able to jump in and recruit.

He had been recruiting here for 8+ years. Of course, he had a head start vs a guy that had never recruited Mississippi.

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2012/4/9/2889981/clemson-basketball-season-review

How do we improve in these areas? Recruiting....and we just lost Rick Ray, our best recruiter. His replacement is key to our future.