Do you want PSU to hire Terry Smith as Head Coach?

[PaForest75]

At least this week we get to see how Terry Smith and the team handle some pressure now. If they go lay an egg at Rutgers, he's immediately out of the running. Not only that, but he may have to run up the score and get Schiano to cuss him out in the postgame handshake to really be a serious contender for the job.

Anything less than 63-33 or whatever it was and it's Chesney time.

 

[Grant Green]

The fanbase has completely lost their mind in regard to Terry and I already fear the impact it will have on the (lack of) support for the new head coach.

I’ll say it again. There is nothing more emotional ( and irrational) than the male sports fan.

Good to see you here. What was your name on the old board?

 

[VT00]

I’ll say it again. There is nothing more emotional ( and irrational) than the male sports fan.

Good to see you here. What was your name on the old board?

PSUoh90 on the old board. Same avatar.

Think we chatted about betting a time or two.

 

[sr108]

I doubt that Terry will be the choice, and he would not be my first choice, but I would certainly support him and root for his success.

 

[KingLando]

Sure he is. Would be a great example to show. Don't quit on your team. Finish what you start. Team above individual.

The season is over after Rutgers. Bowls are scrimmages...nothing more. The fact they even exist is beyond ridiculous. Neither can help their draft stock by playing. They're just risking.

Same as Franklin selfishly telling Drew to return when it couldn't have benefited him.

Coaches should look out for their players. That's telling kids to leave early and skip bowl games. If anything a bowl game should allow younger guys that worked hard all year a chance to play in a scrimmage that feels like a game.

 

[NoBareFeet]

The season is over after Rutgers. Bowls are scrimmages...nothing more. The fact they even exist is beyond ridiculous. Neither can help their draft stock by playing. They're just risking.

Same as Franklin selfishly telling Drew to return when it couldn't have benefited him.

Coaches should look out for their players. That's telling kids to leave early and skip bowl games. If anything a bowl game should allow younger guys that worked hard all year a chance to play in a scrimmage that feels like a game.

This is all written like someone who has never played competitive sports.

And these games aren't about draft stock and me, me, me. It's about finishing the season strong with your team.

 

[TheBigUglies]

Only if he contractually promises to never hire Jay back to the program.

 

[KingLando]

This is all written like someone who has never played competitive sports.

And these games aren't about draft stock and me, me, me. It's about finishing the season strong with your team.

My God...I played high level hockey
Look at all the guys to go pro that skip bowl games. McCaffrey isn't a competitor? You want a full list?

Your comments are made by someone longing for the 80s. Go watch Stranger Things or games of old bowl games when you had to accomplish something to play in one.

The season is over after Rutgers. Sit out and let the guys that practiced hard all year play. Let's see the backs other than Nick and Kaytron

 

[SoCalLion]

We should ask Jay Paterno HIS opinion on hiring Terry Smith as HC.

And then we should do the exact opposite of whatever that is.

 

[PaForest75]

ESPN projects the Motor City Bowl against Ohio University or Western Michigan. They call it something else now, the Oil Change Bowl. A hell of a waste of time if they can't get something better than that. Why can't they get a 6-6 team from another real conference?

 

[m.knox]

Alternatively, I think there's a better than decent chance he's on his way to VT in a couple of weeks, and if that is the case, I don't think it's as detrimental as some will make it seem. Most coaches on the staff will follow JF to VT the same way most coaches on the future HCs staff will follow him to Happy Valley.

It's going to be interesting to see how many of the PSU guys go. Barnes, Conner, Howle, McSorely...... BGJ could offer them a "sure thing" vs. the unknown.

 

[BobPSU92]

If we beat Rutgers AND Terry gets most of the guys to come and play in (and win) the bowl game, Terry should be hired and made the highest paid coach in college football.

 

[BobPSU92]

No, he shouldn't be. We should expect to beat rutgres. Are you kidding me?

Don‘t trivialize it. Hostile environment and BIRTHPLACE. . Intimidating.

 

[KingLando]

ESPN projects the Motor City Bowl against Ohio University or Western Michigan. They call it something else now, the Oil Change Bowl. A hell of a waste of time if they can't get something better than that. Why can't they get a 6-6 team from another real conference?

@NoBareFeet can tell us how important that game is that players should risk injury to play a scrimmage

 

[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

Don‘t trivialize it. Hostile environment and BIRTHPLACE. . Intimidating.

I'm sorry, Bob. I didn't intend to disrespect you.

 

[NoBareFeet]

ESPN projects the Motor City Bowl against Ohio University or Western Michigan. They call it something else now, the Oil Change Bowl. A hell of a waste of time if they can't get something better than that. Why can't they get a 6-6 team from another real conference?

The projection I read today was the Pinstripe Bowl against Pitt. That would be awesome.

 

[NoBareFeet]

@NoBareFeet can tell us how important that game is that players should risk injury to play a scrimmage

If you are afraid of getting injured you shouldn't be playing football. Take the skirt off, Gretzky.

 

[BobPSU92]

I'm sorry, Bob. I didn't intend to disrespect you.

JERSEY. STRONG.

 

[PaForest75]

The projection I read today was the Pinstripe Bowl against Pitt. That would be awesome.

I just saw that in The Athletic. I hope it's something like that. Even if it's just the second stringers playing for a portal highlight video, at least it's not MACtion in an empty Lowe's warehouse. Just think, maybe one of these backup D-linemen can get a sack or TFL and do those goose neck dances or whatever where the next play results in a 20 yard gain.

Really, the most exciting part of what was left of this season is over. They won a nice game at Beaver Stadium. All that's left is this Rutgres game and then watching leftovers or holdovers on a weekday afternoon bowl game that may be better off declined.

 

[VT00]

I honestly want no part of playing Pitt with a decimated roster and coaching staff and having to listen to their fans.

 

[NoBareFeet]

I honestly want no part of playing Pitt with a decimated roster and coaching staff and having to listen to their fans.

No need to have a decimated roster. If we can't get our kids to play and we get beat, we deserve all the **** talking we're going to get.

 

[KingLando]

If you are afraid of getting injured you shouldn't be playing football. Take the skirt off, Gretzky.

Lol...in a real game that has meaning I agree. This isn't a real game. It literally only exists for TV money. You're stuck in the past. Embrace change.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Lol...in a real game that has meaning I agree. This isn't a real game. It literally only exists for TV money. You're stuck in the past. Embrace change.

News flash: every game only exists for money.

 

[PAgeologist]

I honestly want no part of playing Pitt with a decimated roster and coaching staff and having to listen to their fans.

If PSU gets invited and declines, you think it will be any better? Instead of PSU showing up and getting beat by Pitt, they chicken out? It would be a giant black eye in a year full of them.

If the bowl invite is against Pitt, They have to play. A MAC team, I would be OK with declining.

 

[Erial_Lion]

ESPN projects the Motor City Bowl against Ohio University or Western Michigan. They call it something else now, the Oil Change Bowl. A hell of a waste of time if they can't get something better than that. Why can't they get a 6-6 team from another real conference?

When you go 6-6, you should lose the right to complain about your Bowl opponent.

 

[KingoftheBigTen]

Look at the position Norvell is in with FSU, heavy portal season in 2022 birthed a 13-0 year but he basically gave up on recruiting and developing Highschool talent to play the portal game year to year and we’ve seen how that plays out when you wiff on the portal. Most of these portal guys are one year rentals. When you hitch your wagon to this style, you’re basically stuck. With the mass exodus of decommits, players transferring out and going to the NFL. There’s zero indication Terry Smith has the ability to go in and get 15-20 portal additions this year. It’s a slippery slope, you really need a HC that understands the fine nuances between High School recruiting, NIL and the portal. Beating Nebraska, Michigan State and Rutgers then limping into a Bowl against Pitt with a blue and white game roster isn’t a reason to be handed a Top 15 program. Sorry.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Lol...in a real game that has meaning I agree. This isn't a real game. It literally only exists for TV money. You're stuck in the past. Embrace change.

If the change I am being asked to embrace involves kids sitting out of games because their season didn't go the way they wanted to, so they'd rather quit, I will choose not to embrace that.

I think players should WANT to play with their team one last time in a bowl game. Play for pride. Play for their school. If that makes me stuck in the past, when then I'll gladly hop in my Delorean with Doctor Emmett Brown. You can cheer on the opt outs while wearing your LawnBoyzzzz chain. To each their own.

 

[NoSoup4U]

If you are afraid of getting injured you shouldn't be playing football. Take the skirt off, Gretzky.

Its actually interesting Landoboy doesn't want them risking injury for what exactly? It used to be a contentious point a few years ago to not play in the bowl to not get injured because you would get paid in the NFL [didn't want to jeopardize their career chances]....


well they are getting paid now. They are getting paid to play so go out and play else void some of your NIL?? Players can't have it both ways.

Or have the team not got to the bowl game then and only pay the players for services rendered. Alas that would hurt the University in terms of bowl revenue meaning less to pay the players in the long run

there is direct causation to paying players meaning you play the scheduled games including the bowl

Side note imagine if it was the national championship player could get hurt in that game too...the notion that you could get hurt as pointed out is ...then don't play the game at all,...... your are getting compensated precisely for the possibility of injury. See Drew Allar


NIL valuations are negotiated on future value to the team else why give any freshman any NIL? if future value is negotiated that means not only playing the actual games bowl or not in the future , and yes you could get injured but that's the financial risk the university is taking on and are compensating the player accordingly.

Didn't' all the players accept their NIL money at beginning of the year with the expectation they could be playing in 13- 14 games why should that change unless they plan on giving some of the money back if they elect to sit out the bowl game??

 

[Erial_Lion]

Its actually interesting Landoboy doesn't want them risking injury for what exactly? It used to be a contentious point a few years ago to not play in the bowl to not get injured because you would get paid in the NFL [didn't want to jeopardize their career chances]....


well they are getting paid now. They are getting paid to play so go out and play else void some of your NIL?? Players can't have it both ways.

Or have the team not got to the bowl game then and only pay the players for services rendered. Alas that would hurt the University in terms of bowl revenue meaning less to pay the players in the long run

there is direct causation to paying players meaning you play the scheduled games including the bowl

Side note imagine if it was the national championship player could get hurt in that game too...the notion that you could get hurt as pointed out is ...then don't play the game at all,...... your are getting compensated precisely for the possibility of injury. See Drew Allar


NIL valuations are negotiated on future value to the team else why give any freshman any NIL? if future value is negotiated that means not only playing the actual games bowl or not in the future , and yes you could get injured but that's the financial risk the university is taking on and are compensating the player accordingly.

Didn't' all the players accept their NIL money at beginning of the year with the expectation they could be playing in 13- 14 games why should that change unless they plan on giving some of the money back if they elect to sit out the bowl game??

We have to remember that NIL is still governed by players being able to profit from sponsorships, social media, appearances, etc. It's not allowed to be used as a "pay to play". So, as long as collectives (with the help of schools) are going to skirt the rules and pay players, then we shouldn't be surprised that it's like the wild west and there isn't anything actually governing it. If a school forces a player to sign something saying that he'll play in "x" games for "x" compensation, then they've violated the rules, and will face potential punishments.

The House Settlement $ falls under different guidelines, and with that, schools likely do have more control (though nothing has really been tested out yet since it's new).

 

[PaForest75]

When you go 6-6, you should lose the right to complain about your Bowl opponent.

That's fair enough. I'll watch whatever game it is, but hopefully they'll find another P5 conference team to match them up with instead of the MAC.

I tune in to that stuff on Tuesday nights for a few minutes. The football may not be as bad as how it's in front of completely empty stadiums. It's like football in a dark vacuum somewhere. I just can't get with it. If people didn't even show up, why should I be watching this?

 

[NoSoup4U]

We have to remember that NIL is still governed by players being able to profit from sponsorships, social media, appearances, etc. It's not allowed to be used as a "pay to play". So, as long as collectives (with the help of schools) are going to skirt the rules and pay players, then we shouldn't be surprised that it's like the wild west and there isn't anything actually governing it. If a school forces a player to sign something saying that he'll play in "x" games for "x" compensation, then they've violated the rules, and will face potential punishments.

The House Settlement $ falls under different guidelines, and with that, schools likely do have more control (though nothing has really been tested out yet since it's new).

valid point but the sponsorships via bowl revenue advertising and TV time can be calculated. it all has to be calculated to arrive at a number to offer a player under the guise of a lump sum payment.

They are not forcing the player to sign anything just like the coach can opt to play or not play the player based on perfomance , but they are implying the player is to actually play and not sit out rando games at their will. else why assign any NIL value at all?? you have to perform meaning you have to participate and that why they are assigned NIL valuations

 

[KingLando]

News flash: every game only exists for money.

There's a difference between the regular season or the playoff vs a bowl game. Your inability to see that is...predictable

 

[KingLando]

If PSU gets invited and declines, you think it will be any better? Instead of PSU showing up and getting beat by Pitt, they chicken out? It would be a giant black eye in a year full of them.

If the bowl invite is against Pitt, They have to play. A MAC team, I would be OK with declining.

We can't decline a bowl bid

 

[KingLando]

If the change I am being asked to embrace involves kids sitting out of games because their season didn't go the way they wanted to, so they'd rather quit, I will choose not to embrace that.

I think players should WANT to play with their team one last time in a bowl game. Play for pride. Play for their school. If that makes me stuck in the past, when then I'll gladly hop in my Delorean with Doctor Emmett Brown. You can cheer on the opt outs while wearing your LawnBoyzzzz chain. To each their own.

It's kids sitting out meaningless scrimmage meant as a reward not a "game". Again let the kids that worked hard all year an opportunity to play against guys not on their roster. Everyone wins.

 

[NoBareFeet]

There's a difference between the regular season or the playoff vs a bowl game. Your inability to see that is...predictable

You're right. The playoff ESPECIALLY exists only for money.

 

[KingLando]

Its actually interesting Landoboy doesn't want them risking injury for what exactly? It used to be a contentious point a few years ago to not play in the bowl to not get injured because you would get paid in the NFL [didn't want to jeopardize their career chances]....


well they are getting paid now. They are getting paid to play so go out and play else void some of your NIL?? Players can't have it both ways.

Or have the team not got to the bowl game then and only pay the players for services rendered. Alas that would hurt the University in terms of bowl revenue meaning less to pay the players in the long run

there is direct causation to paying players meaning you play the scheduled games including the bowl

Side note imagine if it was the national championship player could get hurt in that game too...the notion that you could get hurt as pointed out is ...then don't play the game at all,...... your are getting compensated precisely for the possibility of injury. See Drew Allar


NIL valuations are negotiated on future value to the team else why give any freshman any NIL? if future value is negotiated that means not only playing the actual games bowl or not in the future , and yes you could get injured but that's the financial risk the university is taking on and are compensating the player accordingly.

Didn't' all the players accept their NIL money at beginning of the year with the expectation they could be playing in 13- 14 games why should that change unless they plan on giving some of the money back if they elect to sit out the bowl game??

NIL isn't pay for play

 

[KingLando]

You're right. The playoff ESPECIALLY exists only for money.

The playoff exists to crown a champion....if you don't qualify your season is over.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Why in the hell do they keep track of meaningless scrimmage results like this??????????????

Career Leaders and Records for Bowl Wins | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

www.sports-reference.com

 

[Connorpozlee]

There's a difference between the regular season or the playoff vs a bowl game. Your inability to see that is...predictable

bowl games are pointless. Most of the regular season games are also pointless.

 

[Knickslions69]

I heard Reliquest bowl vrs Missouri is possibility.