Probably not, because Franklin was not allowed to mention the name Joe Paterno -It was probably written in his contract! However, you get where I'm coming from. The pin, the khakis, the references to Paterno. That is Terry's style, and I think there was some strategy there. Players on his side, player Alumni on his side, old school Penn State fans on his side... creates an interesting dynamic IMO.
Do you want PSU to hire Terry Smith as Head Coach?
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Great post. Just exploring one element a little more, what is the definition of "getting the job done"? I say that to again point out that Franklin and many on this board, fairly(although I disagree), think 10,11 win seasons whereby the team goes to big games like the BIG ten championship, or the playoffs and loses ultimately is certainly getting the job done. Kraft clearly thinks differently(rightly or wrongly) that "getting the job done" means winning national championships. I point this out, because I think he determined Franklin was not going to meet HIS definition of getting the job done. Terry is going to have to convince him, therefore, that a Championship winning coach was on the staff the entire time. Not that Terry can "get the job done" in the way many define it.....it's can he win a championship? Now, many will point out the folly in that statement, how many current coaches really can win a championship, but I didn't set the parameters, Kraft did. If his desire was a tougher team that honored Joe, Terry would certainly already be hire. Kraft is in a corner now, one of his own doing, but I won't criticize him until I know who he hires.
I agree whole heartedly.
On his recruiting he was head and shoulders the best recruiter on staff in the almost 12 years he has been here. He is better than LJ SR ever was when he was here and he might be the best recruiter at PS of all time or at least this side of Fran Ganter recruiting RB's.
Terry Smith would be an excellent hire and it has nothing to do with that BS emotion or alum excuse.
If you're not landing one of the top 4 HC 's on Kraft's list then hire Terry Smith now and get on with it righting the ship. Just put an end to the madness.
Even if he was allowed, why would he? The priority of the head coach should be his players and staff members.
Firing Franklin had nothing to do with hiring the next coach. Had Franklin not publicly wiped his butt with the university in his press conference he might still be here.
Did Terry say anything about the khakis, or are people making assumptions? I never thought anything of them, since that’s what our coaches are often wearing.
Just a quick google image search - JF appears to be wearing khakis in every picture where he's actively coaching on the sidelines.
Tom Bradley was PSU’s ace recruiter for years. (Other than Joe in his prime)
What “madness?” How did you expect such a high profile search to go. The only way to avoid it was to hire Urban. Apparently someone(s) had a problem with him?
I just hope I'm still allowed to be a Paterno fan but not a fan of hiring an interim coach for the full time spot. Still if it's down to Fitzgerald and Al Golden then I am OK with Smith getting it. If a better candidate is out there, Penn State needs to bring them in.
Khakis + BUTTON!
You can't leave out half the equation. Any schmoe can wear khakis ... but when that button shone bright, reflecting the glorious light from on high ... well, it was like the second coming!
Almost everyone in on the interview had a problem with him. He gave a crappy interview; he went in unprepared and thought he would get hired on his name a rep. Supposedly he wanted our fav WO coach and current OC in training at OSU to be his OC and named HC in waiting a non-flyer from the get-go. Anyone who says differently doesn't know the truth of it and the fact that Meyer denies interviewing makes him a liar.
And you know this definitively?
in any case, Urbana’s record minimizes urgency of “nailing tne interview.” This is not some project manger cubicle job in the corporate world.
Plausible deniability is nothing unique to Urban.
Anyone is allowed to be a Paterno fan, but it's also perfectly fine to think it isn't necessary for the new coach to talk about him in any capacity.
And I still would
Have hired him on the spot
Yeah, that's a hard story to believe. If you had a chance to hire Urban and somehow blew that, then you pretty much pulled a Big Game James with that kind of choking. Here we are now wondering if even Kenny Chesney will take it.
That's completely subjective, but if so, that's on university officials to make right. The current HC's responsibility is his team.
So would I. In fact, that scenario, Meyer as HC and Hartline (assume that's the OC in training at OSU) as OC was exactly what I wanted. I suspect that's why the noise about Hartline dropped off recently.
As far as the interview, if Meyer came off as "above needing an interview," that's probably what deep-sixed him. But this isn't the boss interviewing someone for a middle-manager job. I don't think Kraft is the easiest guy to work for, and he had just gone through an apparently rough parting with Franklin. I suspect that might be why a lot of candidates have popped up and then dropped off the radar.
I wonder, if it wasn't Penn State, would even Terry Smith want to work for Kraft?
You are spot on. Kraft set the expectation and narrative. The issue is... in my opinion, these coaches that we may or may not land are at the same caliber if not less than BGJ. I don’t think any of the ones discussed on this thread are a SLAM DUNK and National Championship contender coach. Getting the job done in my opinion is keeping the team in contention, keeping the fan base, keep the donors pushing in the cash… That is what the university wants. If they have that, they are in business. Might as well try to accomplish that with a lower salary coach and more funds to bring in players (which may help to push the needle).
What coach would agree to this?
Terry absolutely isn't in demand. He'll either be on our staff or Va Tech's.
Correct--no coach should be focusing on the past--worry about the present and future.
I don't hear FSU coaches talking about Bowden
Does DoBoer talk about Saban constant or Bear?
Of course not, it makes zero sense that our fans want this,
How are the contracts that college football coaches get any different than the contracts that NBA players get, or MLB players once they are eligible for free agency?
The problem is that the legacy fans cannot move forward. To be quite honest, it was probably because of the way in which that entire event went down. If Joe goes out on top, at his own will, with no issues, perhaps the legacy fans and heavy donors could part ways easier. However, due to the nature of the past, there is still a mentality from the fans that want that legacy embedded into the future. It seems like the previous players want that legacy embedded into the future (pushing for Terry). It seems like the current players want that legacy embedded into the future. I have been part of organizations that lost a leader due to XYZ issues and the organization could simply not "let go" of how things "used to be." I have then seen new leaders step in and "mirror" the past and have had amazing success. Know your crowd, know your clientele, and adjust. I hope for a new coach, with new energy and the capacity to take Penn State Football to a national championship victory... but I also respect and understand why some would like to see legacy through Terry in the future.
All fair. Where we differ is I don't respect people trying to make future decisions based on an ancient past. Paterno has been gone for a very long time. The kids we are recruiting aren't old enough to have seen him coach.
At this point I'm praying we get Urban just to piss off that group lol
They're not too different per se. The contract that they receive is dependent upon their status as a player (or a coach / manager). An elite established player (but not too old) will most likely receive a multi-year contract that is fully guaranteed. A player that is established but not necessarily a star will receive a multi-year contract however, only a portion is guaranteed (signing bonus?). Players on the fringe receive a contract that is contingent on their making the team, no guarantees. There is no standard template except for the usual clauses that would be contained in an employment agreement,
You're thinking NFL. MLB contracts are guaranteed up front, as are standard NBA contracts (ie, not a two way deal). NFL is the outlier.
My goodness, you're second sentence answers your own question. A coach who lacks demand elsewhere would find a contract of this structure attractive. If your alternatives are limited, which would you go for? Position coach at 750K or head coach with a 5 year 30 million contract with a guaranteed 10 million. Especially if you have a personal professional goal of someday being a head coach.
Come on, don't get people going down that rabbit hole.
Is it really too much to ask to make everything about Joe?
Ok, you might be correct with regard to the NBA and MLB. My point is that there are no limitations with regard to a contract that Terry Smith could be offered. Unlike professional sports leagues that have player's unions, there is no NCAA coaches' union that I am aware.
That is a possibility, under what statute or case law precedent would it not be allowed?
