Does anyone on here think Obamacare should remain unchanged?

[DvlDog4WVU]

Ive noticed a lot of board lefties are reveling in the failure of the Trumpcare initiative, IMO rightfully so. It falls far short of what I'd support but I'd imagine for entirely different reasons.

My real question is does anyone on here actually think Obamacare is an acceptable alternative in its current form? If not, what is the aversion then to repealing it so that it can be replaced? This thing has failed, bigly. My desire would be for a bi-partisan solution but Dems have made clear that's off the table. Why?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Ive noticed a lot of board lefties are reveling in the failure of the Trumpcare initiative, IMO rightfully so. It falls far short of what I'd support but I'd imagine for entirely different reasons.

My real question is does anyone on here actually think Obamacare is an acceptable alternative in its current form? If not, what is the aversion then to repealing it so that it can be replaced? This thing has failed, bigly. My desire would be for a bi-partisan solution but Dems have made clear that's off the table. Why?

I'm not sure if we can hammer out all the deets here on this board, but the whole process is starting from a point of divisiveness and partisan nonsense. Repeal and replace is nothing but a campaign slogan, when in fact very little needs changed. Absolutely the ACA needs improvements/changes/fixes/whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit. Parts of Obamacare worked. Parts of the GOP plan will improve where we are. There is no 100% perfect plan, but I think a little negotiation and compromise would lead to a better plan. And to be clear, I do not lay the blame at the feet of the GOP solely. I don't see the democrats going out of their way to help.

 

[Boomboom521]

Honestly, I think Obamacare was meant to be changed and adapted as problems arose. I think if Congress would just work on making changes to the existing law, rather then being hell bent on repeal and replace (in an effort to simply get a win for the GOP while taking away a part of Obama's legacy), we would be in better shape in fixing the problem.

Otherwise, just repeal Obamacare....and live with the reprocussions.

 

[op2]

Ive noticed a lot of board lefties are reveling in the failure of the Trumpcare initiative, IMO rightfully so. It falls far short of what I'd support but I'd imagine for entirely different reasons.

My real question is does anyone on here actually think Obamacare is an acceptable alternative in its current form? If not, what is the aversion then to repealing it so that it can be replaced? This thing has failed, bigly. My desire would be for a bi-partisan solution but Dems have made clear that's off the table. Why?

The Republicans crowed long and hard about how they could do it better than Obamacare. Now that they're in charge they can't even do it at all.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

The Republicans crowed long and hard about how they could do it better than Obamacare. Now that they're in charge they can't even do it at all.

Yea, thanks for not addressing the question and instead pointing a finger. Is that you Nancy?

 

[Airport]

Ive noticed a lot of board lefties are reveling in the failure of the Trumpcare initiative, IMO rightfully so. It falls far short of what I'd support but I'd imagine for entirely different reasons.

My real question is does anyone on here actually think Obamacare is an acceptable alternative in its current form? If not, what is the aversion then to repealing it so that it can be replaced? This thing has failed, bigly. My desire would be for a bi-partisan solution but Dems have made clear that's off the table. Why?

My thoughts are that if the the aCA falls apart, the dems think that Congress will be compelled to save it, by law. The far left wants more and more government, decreasing your ability to thrive as a person. That is what the far left wants, the individual to subjugate himself to the will of the state. All the ACA did was put more people on welfare. The far left never gives a damn about people, they like to say it, but want more and more power to control your life.

 

[Airport]

The Republicans crowed long and hard about how they could do it better than Obamacare. Now that they're in charge they can't even do it at all.

Too many have been listening to the few that are whining at town halls while the real Americans are out working and supporting those on medicaid.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Ive noticed a lot of board lefties are reveling in the failure of the Trumpcare initiative, IMO rightfully so. It falls far short of what I'd support but I'd imagine for entirely different reasons.

My real question is does anyone on here actually think Obamacare is an acceptable alternative in its current form? If not, what is the aversion then to repealing it so that it can be replaced? This thing has failed, bigly. My desire would be for a bi-partisan solution but Dems have made clear that's off the table. Why?

It's crap, imo, but at least it has more flexibility and can be changed going forward. Just pass the turd bill and get back to it later. Call if Obamacare, just don't let the word Affordable be any where near it. Ideally we could replace stuff that doesn't work with stuff that works well. Adjust to the situations that arise. It's more likely that stuff that doesn't work will stay as we add more stuff. Whatever, at the moment we need to move on to Tax Reform and Infrastructure.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Ive noticed a lot of board lefties are reveling in the failure of the Trumpcare initiative, IMO rightfully so. It falls far short of what I'd support but I'd imagine for entirely different reasons.

My real question is does anyone on here actually think Obamacare is an acceptable alternative in its current form? If not, what is the aversion then to repealing it so that it can be replaced? This thing has failed, bigly. My desire would be for a bi-partisan solution but Dems have made clear that's off the table. Why?

Medicare for all is the only real solution. It minimizes the influence of the insurance companies on the process. But that is a pipe dream with the current crew in charge. The ACA didn't have enough teeth because the insurance companies were too involved in writing it. There are several fixes that can improve it and society wins. But the GOP is so helbent in rolling anything with Obama's name on it that they will cut their noses off to spite their faces all to appease their base.

It is mindboggling to me how many in the GOP want to get rid of the mandate. They obviously don't understand risk pools and how insurance works. If only people who needed medical care bought insurance, imagine how expensive it would be. Expecting only women to pay for obstetrics is asinine. Some of the wingnuts' comments I've read is crazy.

 

[op2]

Yea, thanks for not addressing the question and instead pointing a finger. Is that you Nancy?

Maybe I should have been more clear. My point was that in an atmosphere like this it doesn't really matter what the side not in charge thinks. You can say you want a bipartisan solution but you know there's not going to be one. There is so much vitriol of each side towards the other that what the people not in power think doesn't matter.

Here's an example. Whatever the GOP does now it will keep some aspects of Obamacare. And yet if you were a Republican and said "We should keep aspects ABC of Obamacare but change aspects XYZ" you'd get eggs thrown at you. You can't even pretend the plan of the other side is anything other than terrible even though you know you're going to keep some of their ideas.

 

[Airport]

Medicare for all is the only real solution. It minimizes the influence of the insurance companies on the process. But that is a pipe dream with the current crew in charge. The ACA didn't have enough teeth because the insurance companies were too involved in writing it. There are several fixes that can improve it and society wins. But the GOP is so helbent in rolling anything with Obama's name on it that they will cut their noses off to spite their faces all to appease their base.

It is mindboggling to me how many in the GOP want to get rid of the mandate. They obviously don't understand risk pools and how insurance works. If only people who needed medical care bought insurance, imagine how expensive it would be. Expecting only women to pay for obstetrics is asinine. Some of the wingnuts' comments I've read is crazy.

If Obama hadn't been a marxist and had promoted good American policies, the Repubs wouldn't be hell bent to erase anything. It's time you realize that Obama was bad for the country.

 

[op2]

If Obama hadn't been a marxist and had promoted good American policies, the Repubs wouldn't be hell bent to erase anything. It's time you realize that Obama was bad for the country.

If the Republicans thought Obamacare was so terrible they wouldn't keep any of it. But of course they will keep some of it.

 

[Airport]

Maybe I should have been more clear. My point was that in an atmosphere like this it doesn't really matter what the side not in charge thinks. You can say you want a bipartisan solution but you know there's not going to be one. There is so much vitriol of each side towards the other that what the people not in power think doesn't matter.

Here's an example. Whatever the GOP does now it will keep some aspects of Obamacare. And yet if you were a Republican and said "We should keep aspects ABC of Obamacare but change aspects XYZ" you'd get eggs thrown at you. You can't even pretend the plan of the other side is anything other than terrible even though you know you're going to keep some of their ideas.

The only reason that some GOP reps are keeping some of the aCA is they fear that doing whats right for the country, elimination of the aCA, will get them kicked out of Congress.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Maybe I should have been more clear. My point was that in an atmosphere like this it doesn't really matter what the side not in charge thinks. You can say you want a bipartisan solution but you know there's not going to be one. There is so much vitriol of each side towards the other that what the people not in power think doesn't matter.

Here's an example. Whatever the GOP does now it will keep some aspects of Obamacare. And yet if you were a Republican and said "We should keep aspects ABC of Obamacare but change aspects XYZ" you'd get eggs thrown at you. You can't even pretend the plan of the other side is anything other than terrible even though you know you're going to keep some of their ideas.

Exactly. That's why the GOP talking points are "failing obamacare", "imploding obamacare", etc. It perpetuates the narrative which denigrates all things Obama. (PS he was evil and tried to destroy the country).

 

[Airport]

If the Republicans thought Obamacare was so terrible they wouldn't keep any of it. But of course they will keep some of it.

Just a fear of losing. I wouldn't care, getting rid of that piece of crap legislation is good for the country. Just like getting rid of the clap is good for your spouse.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

If Obama hadn't been a marxist and had promoted good American policies, the Repubs wouldn't be hell bent to erase anything. It's time you realize that Obama was bad for the country.

Perfect example of what I just posted in this thread. Reason has gone out the window with you people.

 

[Airport]

Exactly. That's why the GOP talking points are "failing obamacare", "imploding obamacare", etc. It perpetuates the narrative which denigrates all things Obama. (PS he was evil and tried to destroy the country).

100% correct. Marxist are evil

 

[Airport]

Perfect example of what I just posted in this thread. Reason has gone out the window with you people.

Obama was the same as Pelosi, Waters, Sanders and all the other far left marxist that want the government to control your lives while they get theirs and you get less.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Obama was the same as Pelosi, Waters, Sanders and all the other far left marxist that want the government to control your lives while they get theirs and you get less.

[pfftt]

 

[op2]

The only reason that some GOP reps are keeping some of the aCA is they fear that doing whats right for the country, elimination of the aCA, will get them kicked out of Congress.

Okay then, so what I'm hearing is that the Republicans know what's right for the country but they won't do it because if they do then they might lose the next election. That doesn't sound so noble.

Here's another thing I'm hearing. The GOP & Trump both campaigned like crazy on getting rid of Obamacare. And they won. Which means getting rid of Obamacare held appeal for lots of people. But now that the GOP is in power if it gets rid of Obamacare they'll be lose elections because they're unpopular, which means getting rid of Obamacare is a bad thing for lots of people.

 

[PriddyBoy]

[pfftt]

Brilliant [eyeroll]

 

[Airport]

[pfftt]

Telling me I have to buy maternity coverage, dental coverage, birth control when my wife had her tubes tied 15 years ago. If more people agreed with you, you wouldn't ahve lost the House, senate and the White house. Keep on keeping on, we appreciate the losing effort. When do you leave for the golfing trip? We have our senior Am at the new Keswick CC, Full Cry redesign by Pete Dye, in August. Have you played it?

 

[Airport]

Okay then, so what I'm hearing is that the Republicans know what's right for the country but they won't do it because if they do then they might lose the next election. That doesn't sound so noble.

Here's another thing I'm hearing. The GOP & Trump both campaigned like crazy on getting rid of Obamacare. And they won. Which means getting rid of Obamacare held appeal for lots of people. But now that the GOP is in power if it gets rid of Obamacare they'll be lose elections because they're unpopular, which means getting rid of Obamacare is a bad thing for lots of people.

I agree, but they think that the majority of people that show up at town halls are really going to vote. It's the typical politician, more concern about staying in power.

 

[op2]

Telling me I have to buy maternity coverage, dental coverage, birth control when my wife had her tubes tied 15 years ago. If more people agreed with you, you wouldn't ahve lost the House, senate and the White house. Keep on keeping on, we appreciate the losing effort. When do you leave for the golfing trip? We have our senior Am at the new Keswick CC, Full Cry redesign by Pete Dye, in August. Have you played it?

Okay, I don't get the "dental coverage" part. Did you and your wife have your teeth removed 15 years ago too?

 

[PriddyBoy]

 

[Airport]

Okay then, so what I'm hearing is that the Republicans know what's right for the country but they won't do it because if they do then they might lose the next election. That doesn't sound so noble.

Here's another thing I'm hearing. The GOP & Trump both campaigned like crazy on getting rid of Obamacare. And they won. Which means getting rid of Obamacare held appeal for lots of people. But now that the GOP is in power if it gets rid of Obamacare they'll be lose elections because they're unpopular, which means getting rid of Obamacare is a bad thing for lots of people.

What's even worse for people, is not having a job and increase in wages. As many on here know, I run a business and I have suffered from the implement of the ACA to my patients. I have laid off and cut back people. Just a matter of fact.

 

[Airport]

Okay, I don't get the "dental coverage" part. Did you and your wife have your teeth removed 15 years ago too?

You don't know I'm a dentist? Like I have to pay myself!

 

[op2]

I agree, but they think that the majority of people that show up at town halls are really going to vote. It's the typical politician, more concern about staying in power.

I don't like how the people that show up at town halls or for that matter the people that go to campaign rallies and yell get more sway. Everybody has an opinion but it's as if somehow your opinion matters more if you're willing to yell it.

I predict that at some point in the future...the very distant future...people will look back at our times and think we're crazy for yelling so much about politics.

We're not the only ones though. I just finished reading Jon Meacham's biography of Thomas Jefferson and people said some pretty crazy things about politics back then.

 

[Airport]

Okay, I don't get the "dental coverage" part. Did you and your wife have your teeth removed 15 years ago too?

That's why I married her!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Honestly, I think Obamacare was meant to be changed and adapted as problems arose. I think if Congress would just work on making changes to the existing law, rather then being hell bent on repeal and replace (in an effort to simply get a win for the GOP while taking away a part of Obama's legacy), we would be in better shape in fixing the problem.

Otherwise, just repeal Obamacare....and live with the reprocussions.

I think Obamacare was propagated through half truths and outright lies and would've never passed had the truth been told. It's blown budgetary estimates, its unsustainable, and it's placed undue burden on businesses to where more and more of the cost is passed down to the employees.

The changes that need be made to the ACA would no longer see it being the ACA. For instance, you have to address cost somehow. The subsidies can't continue in infinitum. If the individual mandate stays, (which, it will have to in order to sustain ACA) you need to increase the "tax".

I personally think we should just repeal. Take a pause, and then figure it out as a team.

 

[Airport]

I don't like how the people that show up at town halls or for that matter the people that go to campaign rallies and yell get more sway. Everybody has an opinion but it's as if somehow your opinion matters more if you're willing to yell it.

I predict that at some point in the future...the very distant future...people will look back at our times and think we're crazy for yelling so much about politics.

We're not the only ones though. I just finished reading Jon Meacham's biography of Thomas Jefferson and people said some pretty crazy things about politics back then.

According to what I've heard, Congress was far worse back then. One problem now is the ability for people to get guns that can inflict grevious body injury in a hurry. Muskets didn't lead mass killing.

 

[op2]

You don't know I'm a dentist? Like I have to pay myself!

Dentists can't take care of their own teeth, can they? If you can then you need to put up a Youtube video or two, I think it would get lots of hits. If you gave yourself a root canal and put it on Youtube I bet it would go viral.

 

[op2]

I think Obamacare was propagated through half truths and outright lies and would've never passed had the truth been told. It's blown budgetary estimates, its unsustainable, and it's placed undue burden on businesses to where more and more of the cost is passed down to the employees.

The changes that need be made to the ACA would no longer see it being the ACA. For instance, you have to address cost somehow. The subsidies can't continue in infinitum. If the individual mandate stays, (which, it will have to in order to sustain ACA) you need to increase the "tax".

I personally think we should just repeal. Take a pause, and then figure it out as a team.

Unfortunately at this point in US politics there are no teams other than the GOP and the Democrats. No cross-team pollination is allowed.

 

[Airport]

Dentists can't take care of their own teeth, can they? If you can then you need to put up a Youtube video or two, I think it would get lots of hits. If you gave yourself a root canal and put it on Youtube I bet it would go viral.

We don't charge our colleagues per se. Now, I have paid specialist to do a root canal on my wife. Best money I ever spent. My wife does get dental with her job and they pay me for her. We didn't take anything out on me. She said I wasn't worth it.[cheers]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Unfortunately at this point in US politics there are no teams other than the GOP and the Democrats. No cross-team pollination is allowed.

I'll agree with RPJ, unless you go singlepayer, universal healthcare is unpossible. I don't agree with singlepayer because of the impact to an industry and the resulting loss of jobs and wages that I believe would occur.

I understand why the decisions were made on ACA, I just disagree with them. I go to the doc once a year for my Flight Physical. I don't recall actually needing to go for anything else in damn near 20 years outside of some stuff from when I was in the military. I'd be one of those that bought a catosteophic coverage as I'm sure a lot of people under 45 would do.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Telling me I have to buy maternity coverage, dental coverage, birth control when my wife had her tubes tied 15 years ago. If more people agreed with you, you wouldn't ahve lost the House, senate and the White house. Keep on keeping on, we appreciate the losing effort. When do you leave for the golfing trip? We have our senior Am at the new Keswick CC, Full Cry redesign by Pete Dye, in August. Have you played it?

I've heard of Keswick but haven't played it. I leave for Wisconsin July 14.

 

[bornaneer]

Medicare for all is the only real solution. It minimizes the influence of the insurance companies on the process. But that is a pipe dream with the current crew in charge. The ACA didn't have enough teeth because the insurance companies were too involved in writing it. There are several fixes that can improve it and society wins. But the GOP is so helbent in rolling anything with Obama's name on it that they will cut their noses off to spite their faces all to appease their base.

It is mindboggling to me how many in the GOP want to get rid of the mandate. They obviously don't understand risk pools and how insurance works. If only people who needed medical care bought insurance, imagine how expensive it would be. Expecting only women to pay for obstetrics is asinine. Some of the wingnuts' comments I've read is crazy.

Medicare was also the only real solution when your guy pushed thru the current piece of crap.......Its the price you pay for being in bed with the insurance companies and as you correctly pointed out......letting them write it. Funny how its now also a big problem for them.

 

[op2]

Medicare was also the only real solution when your guy pushed thru the current piece of crap.......Its the price you pay for being in bed with the insurance companies and as you correctly pointed out......letting them write it. Funny how its now also a big problem for them.

I don't think it was Obama that wanted the insurance companies to write it. Obama was POTUS, not King.

The Republicans are the ones that want more privatizing and less government. If both the government being involved and privatizing it (insurance companies) is bad then what's left?

 

[PriddyBoy]

You don't know I'm a dentist? Like I have to pay myself!

Oh, it gets better. Your taxes pay a portion of your customers' cost. Then you get to pay taxes again on any profit you realize.

 

[EEResistable]

Leave it unchanged. Let's see how long it lasts.