Does anyone WANT the job?

barry j fenchak

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I’d take DeBoer all day every day, but that seems like a pipe dream.
DeBoer is fitting in just fine at Bama. He is not leaving the best gig in CFB to freeze his rear off in Unhappy Valley.

I think that a majority of you waaay overestimate the "appeal" of State College, PA.
 
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NewEra 2026

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vs. top 25

  • Matt Campbell (Iowa State) — 16-27 (.372)
  • Matt Rhule (Nebraska) — 2-22 (.083)
  • Lane Kiffin (Ole Miss) — 11-24 (.314)
  • Brent Key (Georgia Tech) — 6-6 (.500)
  • Clark Lea (Vanderbilt) — 2-15 (.117)
  • Kalen DeBoer (Alabama) — 15-3 (.833)
  • Brian Kelly (LSU) — 35-37 (.486)
  • Eli Drinkwitz (Missouri) — 7-14 (.333)
  • Mike Elko (Texas A&M) — 3-6 (.333)
  • Greg Schiano (Rutgers) — 4-32 (.111)

I would go with Key if I couldn't get DeBoer or Kelly.
FWIW, I have seen both Campbell and Key coach tight games in person this season. Both are really good coaches. But based on what I have seen, I feel that Key manages a game much better than Campbell.
 
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LB99

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Brian Kelly (LSU) — 35-37 (.486), Kelly says to Franklin 'hold my beer'
Yes. At LSU and ND with boatloads of talent. Now, look at his record vs top 10 and top 5. That should be our measuring stick, right? Isn’t that what everyone was complaining about with Franklin?
 

IrishHerb

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There are no assistant coaches on the list and no pro coaches HC's or assistants. Of that list Elko Lea Diaz Sumrall are good.
Might be good. ND's experience with coaches who came from the pros, Kuharich and Weis, didn't turn out so good.
Yes, a couple, Devine and Holtz come to mind, had a few years in the NFL, but they were basically college coaches for most of their careers.
 
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PSUForever

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Heard Kingsbury's name brought up. I think he is great for the offense and passing game plus developing QBs and getting good WRs. My concern is we will look like his Texas Tech teams with no toughness on defense and just get crushed at the line of scrimmage in the B10 by the big boys. Am I right?
 

PSUForever

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Tengwell talking to Tyler Donahue on his podcast. TD made a pretty good sales pitch for Brady. But you also need a GM to manage the roster. GMs are the next add on at most colleges. If you get Brady, you probably have Pegula's blessing and maybe some backing monies. It could give us a dynamic offense, and be an attraction for top flight QBs.
TD said Rhule has the most callers saying do not hire him. But with all the connections, Rhule maybe the most likely next coach if you had to bet money.
Brady could be announced HC and continue on with the Bills if both sides are willing. Assistants or new GM spearhead recruiting .
Do we have a physical tough team with Brady? One that can dominate the line of scrimmage? We desperately need that culture and I know Krafty wants that. I am NOT saying Rhule but I worry we whiff on that with these offensive "geniuses" types.
 

LB99

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Heard Kingsbury's name brought up. I think he is great for the offense and passing game plus developing QBs and getting good WRs. My concern is we will look like his Texas Tech teams with no toughness on defense and just get crushed at the line of scrimmage in the B10 by the big boys. Am I right?
It depends on who he hires as assistants. He’s been at the Commanders for the last few years and Dan Quinn values line play, so he has seen the importance of line play first hand at the highest level.
 

LB99

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Do we have a physical tough team with Brady? One that can dominate the line of scrimmage? We desperately need that culture and I know Krafty wants that. I am NOT saying Rhule but I worry we whiff on that with these offensive "geniuses" types.
Campbell. Rhule’s OL right now is atrocious.
 
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Catch1lion

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Do we have a physical tough team with Brady? One that can dominate the line of scrimmage? We desperately need that culture and I know Krafty wants that. I am NOT saying Rhule but I worry we whiff on that with these offensive "geniuses" types.
Well, we don’t have that now . Will Brady bring that? IDK. LSU (Chase, Jefferson , Burrows)and da Bills lit it up . But a bigger talent discrepancy than PSU . We need a top shelf qb, and hopefully TNG can attract and develop that player .
 
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KingLando

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Franklin had reached his ceiling? We were a player's epic brainfart away from competing in the Natty game. I'll take that ceiling.

When Rhule took over at Temple, they had had one bad season ... he came in and made it worse before getting back (3 seasons later) to slightly above where they were prior, under the helm of uninspiring coaches.

When Rhule took over at Baylor, they had had one bad season ... he came in and made it worse before getting back to where they were prior.

When Rhule took over at Nebraska, they had had a ton of consecutive bad seasons under one awful coach ... he came in and made them mediocre (going from 4-8 to 5-7 in his first year ... woohoo!).

The point being, there's no indication from his decade+ long head coaching experience that he's going to do any better than Franklin ... likely, he'll do worse.

One huge criticism of Franklin has been his performance in "big games" and top ranked teams. Rhule has had equal futility, not just against TOP ranked teams, but ANY ranked teams. I think I read he was something like 2-22 against ranked squads all time. And I'm not sure if that was updated for this year, when he again hasn't been able to beat any ranked squads. They've never done anything in the postseason either - the one time in his career Rhule had a nationally relevant squad, not only did they go the whole season without beating a ranked opponent, they lost the conference championship game and the Sugar Bowl ... going 0-3 against ranked squads that year.

THAT appears to be HIS ceiling.

Except he takes a bit to get there, and it's likely his actual ceiling, going forward, is lower than that. His current Nebraska squad is underwhelming. There's no big breakthrough (season 3 or otherwise) likely on the horizon.
We were a trip away from getting blown out in a title game because of the easy path we were handed.
 
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KingLando

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We were also the highest ranked team without a bye, so the easiest path was warranted.
It wasn't. See Oregon's path as the top seed. Why would the 5 seed get the easiest path? It's why they fixed it.
 
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VT00

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It wasn't. See Oregon's path as the top seed. Why would the 5 seed get the easiest path? It's why they fixed it.
Agree. I meant easiest path of teams without a bye. Why would they fix it for PSU? Lol
 

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National view on this is Rhule’a job to turn down. I expect he’ll be the next coach unless he totally tanks Nebraska.
 
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If it is Rhule then we just couldn't get anyone better which would be disappointing. Krafty has to have some people on his board ahead of Rhule. If we don't want Rhule then we gotta hope the two LA schools hand it to him and good ol Kirk Ferentz beats him. I don't think he gets the job if he is 7-5 or even 8-4. That would be a terrible look.
 

KingLando

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If it is Rhule then we just couldn't get anyone better which would be disappointing. Krafty has to have some people on his board ahead of Rhule. If we don't want Rhule then we gotta hope the two LA schools hand it to him and good ol Kirk Ferentz beats him. I don't think he gets the job if he is 7-5 or even 8-4. That would be a terrible look.
No if it's Rhule that means they cared more about Penn State ties than the stated objective
 

Midnighter

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If it is Rhule then we just couldn't get anyone better which would be disappointing. Krafty has to have some people on his board ahead of Rhule. If we don't want Rhule then we gotta hope the two LA schools hand it to him and good ol Kirk Ferentz beats him. I don't think he gets the job if he is 7-5 or even 8-4. That would be a terrible look.

Record would probably need to be six wins or fewer I think, and even then I don’t think it will stop the hire if big donors want him.
 

johnmpsu

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What happens if in the unlikeliest of events PSU beats OSU and IN? Not happening but will there be a ground swell of support for Terry Smith? I hope it happens because I want them to win and I'd love to see the chaos.
 

PSUFTG

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No if it's Rhule that means they cared more about Penn State ties than the stated objective
Good grief. Enough already.

If it is Rhule - and it could just work out that way (or maybe not) - what it MEANS is that our AD's limitations led to this result:

In his most impactful single responsibility ever, his ceiling is hiring his modestly qualified BFF as the next HFC.

Period.
That's it.
It's his job.
 

LMTLION

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What happens if in the unlikeliest of events PSU beats OSU and IN? Not happening but will there be a ground swell of support for Terry Smith? I hope it happens because I want them to win and I'd love to see the chaos.
Me too. If we go 1-1 in those games and look good the rest of the way, Terry should be given the job. I am also hoping he beats the heck out of Nebraska/Rhule.
 

KingLando

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Good grief. Enough already.

If it is Rhule - and it could just work out that way (or maybe not) - what it MEANS is that our AD's limitations led to this result:

In his most impactful single responsibility ever, his ceiling is hiring his modestly qualified BFF as the next HFC.

Period.
That's it.
It's his job.
You're incorrect. Rhule has definitely proven he's not capable of winning big games--you don't fire Franklin for Franklin-lite.
Your take is that of someone who likes or wants the next coach to have ties to Penn State instead of focusing on the stated objective--WIN
 
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PSUFTG

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You're incorrect. Rhule has definitely proven he's not capable of winning big games--you don't fire Franklin for Franklin-lite.
Your take is that of someone who likes or wants the next coach to have ties to Penn State instead of focusing on the stated objective--WIN
You couldn't possibly read that post and be more wrong in your "conclusions" and attributions.

But I am sure you can try :)

[WTF was I thinking? Mea Culpa - no more unignores from me]
 

Zone-Blitz

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What happens if in the unlikeliest of events PSU beats OSU and IN? Not happening but will there be a ground swell of support for Terry Smith? I hope it happens because I want them to win and I'd love to see the chaos.
No. They’re making ideally a 10-15 year decision, they can’t make decisions off the emotions of the moment. Terry is a longtime career assistant, that’s where his value is. PSU badly needs a leader who can implement an offensive identity , recruit and develop skill positions, hire a good defensive coordinator.
 

donaldfair71

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If it is Rhule then we just couldn't get anyone better which would be disappointing. Krafty has to have some people on his board ahead of Rhule. If we don't want Rhule then we gotta hope the two LA schools hand it to him and good ol Kirk Ferentz beats him. I don't think he gets the job if he is 7-5 or even 8-4. That would be a terrible look.
i think it was Rhule from the start. No insider information, but with EVERY media person saying it basically from the word go, I don’t believe it was well kept as a secret either.