Does Baylor's beat down of UNC affect your opinion of Orange Bowl?

Tskware

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With a 3rd string QB, Baylor just destroyed UNC last night, ACC's 2nd best team. I already like Oklahoma in that game, and maybe to win it all. Anybody else have their opinion changed (or confirmed, in my case) by the game last night?
 
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redbudman

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They beat Tennessee early! Take a look at the latter of their schedule! They improved more over the season than anybody! I like them to win it all!
 

gamecockcat

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Like others, I think OU is the better team anyway. Surprised that a predominantly pass-oriented team can basically run the same 2 or 3 running plays every time and roll up 700 yards against a pretty good ACC team. I would be very disappointed in Chizik if I were a UNC fan. How about putting 8 in the box or 9? Seemed like they kept playing their base defense and the Baylor OL was just flat out whipping UNC's DL. No excuse for getting steamrolled by the same play over and over and over and over (are you listening DJ Elliot??).
 

drmikepugh

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I don't ever remember seeing anything like it. Baylor had more than one key offensive player out and UNC didn't stop a single play all night long. Craziness.
 

KYCAT78

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UNC's defense is garbage.OKlahoma may beat Clemson but they will not beat Bama if they beat MSU.
 
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ACC was not that a strong foot ball power conference, probably the weakest of the power 5, I would be willing to say the AAC was a tougher conference overall.
 

Rhavic

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I had OU winning that game anyway. I've felt that Clemson was a fraud all season long.
 

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Is this one of those threads that makes fun of the acc because of Louisville? Because, no, north Carolina versus Baylor four weeks after the season is over in the Russell athletics bowl doesn't change my opinion of two other teams. Bowl games are half random. You never know which team is more motivated.
 

UKWildcats#8

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Didn't change my opinion at all. I liked OU in a close one over Clemson and Bama over MSU by a solid margin and then Bama wins it all and shuts up that idiot Stoops.
 

kyhusker2

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Is this one of those threads that makes fun of the acc because of Louisville? Because, no, north Carolina versus Baylor four weeks after the season is over in the Russell athletics bowl doesn't change my opinion of two other teams. Bowl games are half random. You never know which team is more motivated.


This. No idea why people continue to judge an entire conference's season based on the results of a meaningless bowl game. It's weird.
 

UKfan2151

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UNC's defense is garbage.OKlahoma may beat Clemson but they will not beat Bama if they beat MSU.

Nobody gave Oklahoma a chance at beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl a couple of years ago either. But they did. Nobody gave Ohio State much of a chance at beating Bama in the playoffs last year. But they did. Alabama is certainly a good program and being they are an SEC team I root for them when they are representing our conference. But they aren't some unbeatable machine. If Alabama can lose to 9-3 Ole Miss, they can lose to Oklahoma (or anyone in the playoffs for that matter).
 

Beatle Bum

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Is this one of those threads that makes fun of the acc because of Louisville? Because, no, north Carolina versus Baylor four weeks after the season is over in the Russell athletics bowl doesn't change my opinion of two other teams. Bowl games are half random. You never know which team is more motivated.

Is Clemson your pick?
 

Beatle Bum

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BTW, I doubt anyone can claim UNC was not motivated if you watched the game. While the outcome does not influence my feelings about upcoming games, it did show that UNC was not ready for Baylor's game plan.
 

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This game is interesting...Playoffs and Oklahoma has a revenge factor...Clemson without DeShaun Watson last year embarrassed Oklahoma in the Russell Athletic Bowl...this game is a Toss Up tomorrow IMO...By the pure numbers it should be a Oklahoma vs. Alabama CFP Title Game...
 

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Nobody gave Oklahoma a chance at beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl a couple of years ago either. But they did. Nobody gave Ohio State much of a chance at beating Bama in the playoffs last year. But they did. Alabama is certainly a good program and being they are an SEC team I root for them when they are representing our conference. But they aren't some unbeatable machine. If Alabama can lose to 9-3 Ole Miss, they can lose to Oklahoma (or anyone in the playoffs for that matter).
Sure everybody can be beat including Bama, I just do not think a Big12 team that was lucky to beat Tennessee will beat Bama.
 

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FYI....The #1 Team according to the Sagarin Predictor is the Oklahoma Sooners...just saying...
 

Beatle Bum

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MSU got the best deal of the draw for the first games. Its approach and defense is best suited to Bama's run oriented offense. Had Sparty matched against Clemson or OU, I think its path would have been much more difficult.

OU v. Clemson is an intriguing matchup and a game I am really looking forward to.
 

Mr Schwump

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Sure everybody can be beat including Bama, I just do not think a Big12 team that was lucky to beat Tennessee will beat Bama.

Lucky to beat UT? The drove late to tie then intercepted the hot shot UT QB in OT to seal the win. Tennessee choked, Oklahoma made the plays.
 

Michigan Fan

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MSU got the best deal of the draw for the first games. Its approach and defense is best suited to Bama's run oriented offense. Had Sparty matched against Clemson or OU, I think its path would have been much more difficult.

OU v. Clemson is an intriguing matchup and a game I am really looking forward to.

Not so sure...still remember the last time Dantonio went against Saban in the Citrus Bowl...that got ugly and Alabama speed on defense IMO is going to reek havoc on Cook and the Michigan State offense
 

Beatle Bum

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Not so sure...still remember the last time Dantonio went against Saban in the Citrus Bowl...that got ugly and Alabama speed on defense IMO is going to reek havoc on Cook and the Michigan State offense

You think Clemson or OU would be a better matchup for MSU?
 

kyhusker2

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Not so sure...still remember the last time Dantonio went against Saban in the Citrus Bowl...that got ugly and Alabama speed on defense IMO is going to reek havoc on Cook and the Michigan State offense

Not saying MSU is going to win, but they have beaten the #4 (Mich), 10 (OSU), and 15 (PSU) defenses in the country. And scored 55 on PSU. Bama's defense isn't much better than those.
 

Beatle Bum

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Clemson...IMO Oklahoma is the best team in the country and Bama is #2...plus right now Clemson has the distraction of losing their #2 WR

If Greg McElroy and Julio Jones were part of the 2015 Bama offense, I would agree that 2011 game would be relevant. But, this Bama offense is much more grounded than that one. MSU gets to prepare for the least creative of the four offenses and a team that it can get blue collar with.

We disagree. It is not about rankings or RPI, but about match ups.
 

Grumpyolddawg

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Sure everybody can be beat including Bama, I just do not think a Big12 team that was lucky to beat Tennessee will beat Bama.

Well Bama was lucking to beat UT took, they trailed late in the 4th quarter and didn't take the lead until the very end of the game. Granted they didn't trail as much at OU did, but it wasn't a blowout victory for them either.
 

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If Greg McElroy and Julio Jones were part of the 2015 Bama offense, I would agree that 2011 game would be relevant. But, this Bama offense is much more grounded than that one. MSU gets to prepare for the least creative of the four offenses and a team that it can get blue collar with.

We disagree. It is not about rankings or RPI, but about match ups.

I'm looking at it more as MSU Offense vs. Bama defense...plus I don't see much difference between Coker and McElroy-(Wasn't a big McElroy fan) and he does have some very nice weapons with Howard, Ridley and the Heisman winner...see it being somewhat close but Henry will wear them down and got a sneaking suspicion that they will get Ridley over the top on a deep one late for a double digit win.
 

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Well Bama was lucking to beat UT took, they trailed late in the 4th quarter and didn't take the lead until the very end of the game. Granted they didn't trail as much at OU did, but it wasn't a blowout victory for them either.
Bama did not lose to Texas either.
 

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Not saying MSU is going to win, but they have beaten the #4 (Mich), 10 (OSU), and 15 (PSU) defenses in the country. And scored 55 on PSU. Bama's defense isn't much better than those.

Michigan beat themselves...still a unreal play on the attempted punt.
 

Grumpyolddawg

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Not saying MSU is going to win, but they have beaten the #4 (Mich), 10 (OSU), and 15 (PSU) defenses in the country. And scored 55 on PSU. Bama's defense isn't much better than those.

I don't think Bama is a sure win, but Bama's front 7 is better than either of those as a unit and much deeper. Bosa might be the best player of the 4 teams but Bama's front as a unit is much deeper. Unlike Bama teams of the past, this group can get pressure on the qb without sending extra guys, they haven't been able to that before. MSU could easily win the game, I think their qb is quite a bit better than Bama's but I don't think he has seen the pressure Bama can apply to him with only 4 guys either. Anything can happen, but I think Bama wins a closer game than many expect.
 

Michigan Fan

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I don't think Bama is a sure win, but Bama's front 7 is better than either of those as a unit and much deeper. Bosa might be the best player of the 4 teams but Bama's front as a unit is much deeper. Unlike Bama teams of the past, this group can get pressure on the qb without sending extra guys, they haven't been able to that before. MSU could easily win the game, I think their qb is quite a bit better than Bama's but I don't think he has seen the pressure Bama can apply to him with only 4 guys either. Anything can happen, but I think Bama wins a closer game than many expect.

Exactly...and that really frees up Ragland....
 

KYCAT78

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Lucky to beat UT? The drove late to tie then intercepted the hot shot UT QB in OT to seal the win. Tennessee choked, Oklahoma made the plays.
Made the plays against Texas as well, oh my bad they got thumped.
 

Beatle Bum

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2010 had a Heisman RB, as well. Coker is no McElroy, IMO and there is no Julio.

Clemson and OU have much more varied offenses with more dangerous QBs. MSU wants an old school game. Bama was the best draw.

Bama has a very good defense and I am not predicting MSU to win, as I think it will be a defensive struggle and close game.
 

Tskware

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Is this one of those threads that makes fun of the acc because of Louisville? Because, no, north Carolina versus Baylor four weeks after the season is over in the Russell athletics bowl doesn't change my opinion of two other teams. Bowl games are half random. You never know which team is more motivated.

No sir, I guarantee you will not find one post where I have made fun of the ACC or of Louisville. Sort of hard to make fun of a "rival" who has beaten you five years in a row.

But IIRC, UNC was favored last night? Was really surprised how easily Baylor beat them, made me think that OU might really win handily against Clemson. Last year's bowl rout will only help the Sooners, IMO, gives them extra motivation (as if the BCS championship is not enough)
 

Tskware

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Bama has a very good defense and I am not predicting MSU to win, as I think it will be a defensive struggle and close game.

It may not be close, think Bama will win, but I am leaning to betting the under, would not be surprised to see one team totally shut down by the other team's defense.