Does Mark Stoops have the requisite abilities to be UK's head coach?

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Mark Stoops' questionable decision making continues to baffle many UK fans. This board has debated at length his poor game management. He clearly has no offensive vision of his own as to how he wants his teams' to play. He hires Dawson as his second offensive coordinator only to fire him within a year. He then tells Towles and Phillips that Barker will be his quarterback despite the fact that Barker failed to beat out Towles for the starting position during two previous spring and fall practice sessions. Barker has certainly not demonstrated any more ability to succeed than Towles. What Barker has demonstrated is considerable poor judgment in some highly publicized off the field incidents. One involved shooting a pellet gun with some of his teammates on UK's campus. The other incidents involved being in a bar fight and getting cold cocked at an EKU dorm.

After Stoops showed Towles the door at the end of last season, Stoops "wished him the best" and at the same time proclaimed that he "expects to see Towles play on Sunday". Say what? He thinks Towles has enough skills to play in the NFL but can't play for lowly UK? I don't blame Phillips and Towles for going elsewhere as apparently, Stoops has already anointed Barker as the quarterback for the future notwithstanding what happens during next year's spring and fall practices. Now, Stoops has no depth at quarterback and must rely on unproven, freshmen to replace Barker in the event he gets hurt or simply can't get the job done.

As a long time UK fan, I very much want Stoops to succeed. While he has been able to lure better players to UK than his predecessor, I have seen little evidence that these players have improved or made UK a better football team. We still can't block anybody, can't protect the quarterback and when our receivers are open they often drop the ball. Defensively, we have never been more than mediocre or worse. Of course, UK has been playing this same way, for the most part, on offense and defense over the last 60 years.

No one can reasonably expect Mark Stoops to suddenly reverse more than a half century of losing football. However, as fans, we do have a right to expect the person filling the position as UK's head football coach to at least have the ability to exercise good judgment when it comes to: (1) hiring his staff,(2) developing and instituting a vision for what it takes for UK to have football success, (3) developing his players and (4) correctly making critical in game decisions. We also have a right to expect that if there are rifts between players on the team that the head coach has the ability to correct such rifts and not let such rifts fester to the detriment of team success.

After 3 years, I have yet to see substantial evidence that Mark Stoops has the requisite minimal abilities to be UK's head coach. What I have seen is someone painfully learning, at UK's considerable expense, of how not to be a successful head coach.
 

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I agree with most if not all of what you posted.

I believe the fan base, especially those of us who care enough to read and post on this board, have earned the right to be skeptical of Stoops. To me, the turning point came in the Vandy game. No need to rehash it here.

2016 is Stoops' last realistic chance to change the trajectory of the program. I'm swearing off the Blue Kool-Aid and want to see real improvement.
 

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I agree with most if not all of what you posted.

I believe the fan base, especially those of us who care enough to read and post on this board, have earned the right to be skeptical of Stoops. To me, the turning point came in the Vandy game. No need to rehash it here.

2016 is Stoops' last realistic chance to change the trajectory of the program. I'm swearing off the Blue Kool-Aid and want to see real improvement.

My fear is if that we don't become at least competitive in 2016, then recruiting is going to start taking a big hit and we will be looking at a couple of more rebuilding years down the road. Have to start spanking the cupcake part of the schedule instead of letting a couple of them play us within a touchdown like last year. Can't get spanked by Georgia, Tennessee and Florida, but I'm afraid at least two of them will put a good whipping on us away from Commonwealth. Have to start winning a few games that we shouldn't and Stoops has not been able to do that up to this point.
 

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The OP sums it up very well, we all want Stoops to succeed but some of the decisions he has made don't pass the simple common sense test.

The QB situation is first and foremost in the 'what exactly does he want' column.

Did he want Towles or Barker to be the QB this past season? Towles "won" the 2 or 3 competitions between the two(if there were true competitions) I have talked to a couple of folks who were able to watch practice and they say Towles was clearly better. Yet in the late going with the season on the line we go with Barker.

When the chips were down at Vandy he brings in Towles to try to pull out a win on the last possession. In the next game(against little more than a really good high school team) in cold and windy conditions(where you really get no idea what he can or can't do) he trots out Barker

In the UL game the defense basically stakes us to a 21-0 lead and Barker can do nothing in the second half to put points on the board(a TD might have won the game)

The season ends and Towles (and Phillips) book it out of town leaving the football program holding the bag. The question I have is, what was Stoops intended outcome in all of this, what did he want to see happen and who was his choice to be QB this season and going into next season.
 
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Good post. The answer is no. IMO he doesn't have the ability to be the head coach in a major conference. He did well as an assistant but that's his ceiling. He will get 1-2 more years which should pacify his supporters. We'll know by then whether he passed or failed. As I said, I don't personally think he'll succeed.
 

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The OP sums it up very well, we all want Stoops to succeed but some of the decisions he has made don't pass the simple common sense test.

The QB situation is first and foremost in the 'what exactly does he want' column.

Did he want Towles or Barker to be the QB this past season? Towles "won" the 2 or 3 competitions between the two(if there were true competitions) I have talked to a couple of folks who were able to watch practice and they say Towles was clearly better. Yet in the late going with the season on the line we go with Barker.

When the chips were down at Vandy he brings in Towles to try to pull out a win on the last possession. In the next game(against little more than a really good high school team) in cold and windy conditions(where you really get no idea what he can or can't do he trots out Barker

In the UL game the defense basically stakes us to a 21-0 lead and Barker can do nothing in the second half to put points on the board(a TD might have won the game)

The season ends and Towles (and Phillips) book it out of town leaving the football program holding the bag. The question I have is, what was Stoops intended outcome in all of this, what did he want to see happen and who was his choice to be QB this season and going into next season.
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Personally I have been a UK football fan for over 50 years. I want Coach to make this more than I can say. But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,why did Barny hire a man with ABSOLUTELY no head coaching experience and then paying the guy 3.5 million dollars a year and a long time contract. I'm going to use as an example a guy who is doing it correctly and that is Brohm at WKU. He was a position coach first, an OC and now a HC at a mid level program. He is making his share of mistakes but not under the glare of a bright spot light. He is also experimenting and learning. He is going to be a hell of a head coach one day at the next level. Stoops on the other hand was well into his 40s and never a head coach. First question is why did he not get a head job before that age? That would be my first red flag. Honestly I just think that the cake is baked on Stoops. Hope not but truth is next year is going to be way more difficult than this past year. Maybe the best thing that will come out of this mess is that the money boys will take the hiring of a football coach out of Barnys hands next hire.
 

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I don't think so. Part of the problem is much like his defenders, all he has is excuses and no real answers. The same things he was saying when he got here, he's saying the same thing 3 years later. I think he buys into the history of the program too much. I've said it before, that's fine for the fans to buy into that but to be successful here, you have to block all that out. I know it's easier said than done but I thought he was going to do that when he got here. But he's done nothing but backtrack and use excuses.

I think the guy is a good coordinator. He's a decent pre-gamer. Solid recruiter. Where he falls short at to be successful at UK is being defensive with fans/media, coaching adjustments, and his staff hiring. I think he made a big mistake bringing in guys who were not experienced at their positions, esp at the D coordinator position. I don't totally fault him for Dawson. I think he had to settle on Dawson but rumors of a rift and philosophy with Brown I think makes the OC job unappealing. The guy is in over his head and too concerned with being hands on during the games to be truly successful as a head coach at UK. Anywhere really but esp with hamstings that come with being a UK in the SEC.
 
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On KSR, the segment of the show that was mentioned on football was brief. Reason being that things are so negative right now. Matt said that after talking to his source that things behind the scenes are causing him to worry. Eddie Gran had agreed to the job and is now considering backing out. Doesn't sound good at all.
 

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On KSR, the segment of the show that was mentioned on football was brief. Reason being that things are so negative right now. Matt said that after talking to his source that things behind the scenes are causing him to worry. Eddie Gran had agreed to the job and is now considering backing out. Doesn't sound good at all.

I heard that segment and it was concerning to say the least. I really hope that Stoops gets this under control because it doesn't look like this program has any positive momentum.
 

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I heard that segment and it was concerning to say the least. I really hope that Stoops gets this under control because it doesn't look like this program has any positive momentum.

At a time when this program desperately needs some good news apparently none is forthcoming. Will it change by days end?
 

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I agree with the OP and calsarmy and kats23. Their posts are excellent and bring out a lot of good points. Being one of the "old farts" on here, I sure hope this works out for Coach Stoops. I have been waiting a looong time for a decent team, and I don't know how much longer I have to wait.
I still feel Coach Stoops should get the coming year, 2016, plus at least one more year to "right the ship." If he can't get at least 7 wins and be competitive in 2017, it's time to find a new Captain of the ship.
Just as the lack of fannies in the seats caused Joker to lose his job, the same thing will happen to Coach Stoops if the fans quit coming.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 

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I heard that segment and it was concerning to say the least. I really hope that Stoops gets this under control because it doesn't look like this program has any positive momentum.
Considering that Eddie gran is stoops friend and is worried about what's going on behind the scenes it shows how bad things are right now
 

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Considering that Eddie gran is stoops friend and is worried about what's going on behind the scenes it shows how bad things are right now

This is very true. As MJ said today, if they don't announce Gran as the new OC this week then it is time to get really worried.
 

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I have to say I have been a Stoops supporter. But Matt (say what you will about him) sounded legitimately concerned today. That's the first time I have truly stepped back and considered that this thing may not get better... I'm just unsure how to feel about things right now.
 

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It will be very disappointing if he doesnt take the job. Im still holding out hope for Stoops but he has got to make a good hire here and get this program to a bowl game next season to gain some of the momentum back in what will be his 4th year on the job..
 

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Time and time again we see promising coordinators reach to high with that first HC job and get in over their head. Afraid that may be whats going on here. There is no substitute for having experience at the executive level at a place where your allowed to make mistakes and learn. It certainly teetering on that edge and could go either way from here. Sad thing is the history of UK football makes it good odds we know which way it will fall.
 
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The OP sums it up very well, we all want Stoops to succeed but some of the decisions he has made don't pass the simple common sense test.

The QB situation is first and foremost in the 'what exactly does he want' column.

Did he want Towles or Barker to be the QB this past season? Towles "won" the 2 or 3 competitions between the two(if there were true competitions) I have talked to a couple of folks who were able to watch practice and they say Towles was clearly better. Yet in the late going with the season on the line we go with Barker.

When the chips were down at Vandy he brings in Towles to try to pull out a win on the last possession. In the next game(against little more than a really good high school team) in cold and windy conditions(where you really get no idea what he can or can't do) he trots out Barker

In the UL game the defense basically stakes us to a 21-0 lead and Barker can do nothing in the second half to put points on the board(a TD might have won the game)

The season ends and Towles (and Phillips) book it out of town leaving the football program holding the bag. The question I have is, what was Stoops intended outcome in all of this, what did he want to see happen and who was his choice to be QB this season and going into next season.

From the actions speak louder than words department, in crunch time when UK had to have scores in the Vandy and UL games, they went with Towles. Just goes to show that whoever was calling the shots, was flying by the seat of their pants.
 
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One thing that has always concerned me with Stoops is in fact his hiring of OC's. So far he has hired 2 "Air Raid" OC's and then to the surprise of many neither of them ran it. UK promoted both heavily as to how fast paced the game was going to now be. Both had averaged about 85 plays a game before they got here. When Stoops was through with them though both were averaging about 65 plays a game. Says to me that Coach had his hand too much in the offense especially when he is himself a defensive coach. We shall see. Maybe by weeks end we will have some good news.
 
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It would be foolish to ignore that CMS has had his share of mistakes. I personally think he will grow past them. IMO we all need to hope and pray that he works out, and be relentless positive about it for another year. There are so many ingredients here that are almost a unique occurrence that it seems to represent our most realistic "best" hope. His connection to Ohio has allowed us to recruit at a level that is unprecedented for us and we HAVE to get the Jimmies and Joes to ever compete. His proximity to family while being able to coach in the SEC gives us an opportunity for him to stick around for a long time (my opinion) if successful. No one can ever question his desire or work ethic. There's just a lot to like, and if this doesn't work out? I'm not sure what will. I do disagree with the narrative of the OP in regards to Towles. There's no way that he couldn't give Barker a try at that point. To have continued to us Towles, who was simply not getting it done, would have been worse. I read the interviews with Towles and CMS comments and it's apparent, at least to me, that CMS is trying to be classy in his remarks about Patrick. CMS gave him every opportunity and Patrick didn't get it done.

I DO agree about Dawson, and it pains me. He talked a great game early and I was a big fan. I don't think CMS made a mistake getting rid of him. I DO think he made a mistake hiring him, in retrospect. The big warning sign was that he didn't call plays at WV. I chose to gloss over that, but it was apparent that he was ready/capable of consistently calling plays. We'll see. I'm hoping for the best still
 

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I have to say I have been a Stoops supporter. But Matt (say what you will about him) sounded legitimately concerned today. That's the first time I have truly stepped back and considered that this thing may not get better... I'm just unsure how to feel about things right now.

The first time eh? You are a bit behind times for those of us on the up and up with noticing some things "not getting better" under Stoops.
 

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Mark Stoops' questionable decision making continues to baffle many UK fans. This board has debated at length his poor game management. He clearly has no offensive vision of his own as to how he wants his teams' to play. He hires Dawson as his second offensive coordinator only to fire him within a year. He then tells Towles and Phillips that Barker will be his quarterback despite the fact that Barker failed to beat out Towles for the starting position during two previous spring and fall practice sessions. Barker has certainly not demonstrated any more ability to succeed than Towles. What Barker has demonstrated is considerable poor judgment in some highly publicized off the field incidents. One involved shooting a pellet gun with some of his teammates on UK's campus. The other incidents involved being in a bar fight and getting cold cocked at an EKU dorm.

After Stoops showed Towles the door at the end of last season, Stoops "wished him the best" and at the same time proclaimed that he "expects to see Towles play on Sunday". Say what? He thinks Towles has enough skills to play in the NFL but can't play for lowly UK? I don't blame Phillips and Towles for going elsewhere as apparently, Stoops has already anointed Barker as the quarterback for the future notwithstanding what happens during next year's spring and fall practices. Now, Stoops has no depth at quarterback and must rely on unproven, freshmen to replace Barker in the event he gets hurt or simply can't get the job done.

As a long time UK fan, I very much want Stoops to succeed. While he has been able to lure better players to UK than his predecessor, I have seen little evidence that these players have improved or made UK a better football team. We still can't block anybody, can't protect the quarterback and when our receivers are open they often drop the ball. Defensively, we have never been more than mediocre or worse. Of course, UK has been playing this same way, for the most part, on offense and defense over the last 60 years.

No one can reasonably expect Mark Stoops to suddenly reverse more than a half century of losing football. However, as fans, we do have a right to expect the person filling the position as UK's head football coach to at least have the ability to exercise good judgment when it comes to: (1) hiring his staff,(2) developing and instituting a vision for what it takes for UK to have football success, (3) developing his players and (4) correctly making critical in game decisions. We also have a right to expect that if there are rifts between players on the team that the head coach has the ability to correct such rifts and not let such rifts fester to the detriment of team success.

After 3 years, I have yet to see substantial evidence that Mark Stoops has the requisite minimal abilities to be UK's head coach. What I have seen is someone painfully learning, at UK's considerable expense, of how not to be a successful head coach.
I agree with you totally! However one thing he has been able to do what others could not was raise money and upgrade facilities! If he does not make it at least he has made the job much easier for someone else! So maybe a potential replacement would be more susceptible to coming!
 

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The game against EKU is what made me really start doubting stoops. I know that when he came here we didn't have hardly any talent at all. We are on year three and he almost got beat by a team that placed fourth in the OVC. The head coach at EKU got fired and he out coached stoops. These hires that stoops will make are crucial because as of right now our coaching staff is at the bottom of the barrel compared to the other programs in this league. We will not out recruit the majority of teams in this league until we start winning ball games. Then you got to factor in that we have to out coach teams with superior talent. This staff as of now can't do that. If they make the right hires then it will be a big boost. If they make the wrong ones we will be looking for a new head coach in a few years.
 

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I wonder how much Air Raid offense Stoops had to agree to in order to get the job.

I wonder why Towles complained about the play calling last year after the Mizzou game.

I wonder why Stoops did not hire Gran last year.

I wonder why Dawson apparently told Towles he was going to cost him his job coming off the field this year.

I wonder if any coach will be able to run the offense of his choice here at Kentucky or will Tim Couch always have the say about that.
 
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The first time eh? You are a bit behind times for those of us on the up and up with noticing some things "not getting better" under Stoops.
Yeah for the first time. I recognize the mess that the guy inherited here. But aside from that it appears we may have traded being horrible and a laughingstock to being a train-wreck. Pick your poison with UK football.
 

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It is hard to disagree with the OP on any point he makes. I will cut CMS some slack for being a rookie HC in a job that has frustrated some far more experienced coaches. I won't repeat my critiques again but I cut this staff no slack on the way they have "handled" the QB position dating back to the day they stepped on campus and named Whitlow the back up guy in a pseudo Air Raid offense. QB position has been a mess ever since. Those decisions are "football things" and not an experience things.

Regardless of "how bad" a situation a new coach inherits (and most new coaches do take over a mess), if he is the guy that is going to "turn it around", there are usually some solid indicators by the end of year 2 and almost always by the end of year 3. By that I mean winning some you are not supposed to win. In that regard, the Cats have notched back to back underdog wins against a USCjr program that went 7-6 and 3-9. Is that enough? I don't know but Barnhart's reckless and inexplicable contract renewal last year practically guarantees CMS at least 2 more years to get it done.

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wonder how much Air Raid offense Stoops had to agree to in order to get the job.

I wonder if any coach will be able to run the offense of his choice here at Kentucky or will Tim Couch always have the say about that.

Tim Couch was a great QB, but he does not need to be pulling anybody's strings.
 

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Mark Stoops' questionable decision making continues to baffle many UK fans. This board has debated at length his poor game management. He clearly has no offensive vision of his own as to how he wants his teams' to play. He hires Dawson as his second offensive coordinator only to fire him within a year. He then tells Towles and Phillips that Barker will be his quarterback despite the fact that Barker failed to beat out Towles for the starting position during two previous spring and fall practice sessions. Barker has certainly not demonstrated any more ability to succeed than Towles. What Barker has demonstrated is considerable poor judgment in some highly publicized off the field incidents. One involved shooting a pellet gun with some of his teammates on UK's campus. The other incidents involved being in a bar fight and getting cold cocked at an EKU dorm.

After Stoops showed Towles the door at the end of last season, Stoops "wished him the best" and at the same time proclaimed that he "expects to see Towles play on Sunday". Say what? He thinks Towles has enough skills to play in the NFL but can't play for lowly UK? I don't blame Phillips and Towles for going elsewhere as apparently, Stoops has already anointed Barker as the quarterback for the future notwithstanding what happens during next year's spring and fall practices. Now, Stoops has no depth at quarterback and must rely on unproven, freshmen to replace Barker in the event he gets hurt or simply can't get the job done.

As a long time UK fan, I very much want Stoops to succeed. While he has been able to lure better players to UK than his predecessor, I have seen little evidence that these players have improved or made UK a better football team. We still can't block anybody, can't protect the quarterback and when our receivers are open they often drop the ball. Defensively, we have never been more than mediocre or worse. Of course, UK has been playing this same way, for the most part, on offense and defense over the last 60 years.

No one can reasonably expect Mark Stoops to suddenly reverse more than a half century of losing football. However, as fans, we do have a right to expect the person filling the position as UK's head football coach to at least have the ability to exercise good judgment when it comes to: (1) hiring his staff,(2) developing and instituting a vision for what it takes for UK to have football success, (3) developing his players and (4) correctly making critical in game decisions. We also have a right to expect that if there are rifts between players on the team that the head coach has the ability to correct such rifts and not let such rifts fester to the detriment of team success.

After 3 years, I have yet to see substantial evidence that Mark Stoops has the requisite minimal abilities to be UK's head coach. What I have seen is someone painfully learning, at UK's considerable expense, of how not to be a successful head coach.
It would be foolish to ignore that CMS has had his share of mistakes. I personally think he will grow past them. IMO we all need to hope and pray that he works out, and be relentless positive about it for another year. There are so many ingredients here that are almost a unique occurrence that it seems to represent our most realistic "best" hope. His connection to Ohio has allowed us to recruit at a level that is unprecedented for us and we HAVE to get the Jimmies and Joes to ever compete. His proximity to family while being able to coach in the SEC gives us an opportunity for him to stick around for a long time (my opinion) if successful. No one can ever question his desire or work ethic. There's just a lot to like, and if this doesn't work out? I'm not sure what will. I do disagree with the narrative of the OP in regards to Towles. There's no way that he couldn't give Barker a try at that point. To have continued to us Towles, who was simply not getting it done, would have been worse. I read the interviews with Towles and CMS comments and it's apparent, at least to me, that CMS is trying to be classy in his remarks about Patrick. CMS gave him every opportunity and Patrick didn't get it done.

I DO agree about Dawson, and it pains me. He talked a great game early and I was a big fan. I don't think CMS made a mistake getting rid of him. I DO think he made a mistake hiring him, in retrospect. The big warning sign was that he didn't call plays at WV. I chose to gloss over that, but it was apparent that he was ready/capable of consistently calling plays. We'll see. I'm hoping for the best still
" USA Today " had an excellent article today on Lincoln Riley.And if Stoops chose Dawson over him all of you will be sick ,and it reflects what all of the posters here have been saying,Stoops has proven time and again he just doesn't have it in his decision making.
 

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" USA Today " had an excellent article today on Lincoln Riley.And if Stoops chose Dawson over him all of you will be sick ,and it reflects what all of the posters here have been saying,Stoops has proven time and again he just doesn't have it in his decision making.

We don't have Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying that he would or wouldn't have been better than Dawson, but I don't think that we had the correct pieces for Riley's O either.
 

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" USA Today " had an excellent article today on Lincoln Riley.And if Stoops chose Dawson over him all of you will be sick ,and it reflects what all of the posters here have been saying,Stoops has proven time and again he just doesn't have it in his decision making.
Even if stoops would have hired him, he may not have allowed him to run his offense the way that he wanted to.
 
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We don't have Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying that he would or wouldn't have been better than Dawson, but I don't think that we had the correct pieces for Riley's O either.
That's some very good points. The talent at Oklahoma is a whole lot better than what we have here.
 
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Eddie Gran was Special Teams coordinator as well at FSU. So even if the offense still sucks maybe he can at least help out with that.
 

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Mark Stoops' questionable decision making continues to baffle many UK fans. This board has debated at length his poor game management. He clearly has no offensive vision of his own as to how he wants his teams' to play. He hires Dawson as his second offensive coordinator only to fire him within a year. He then tells Towles and Phillips that Barker will be his quarterback despite the fact that Barker failed to beat out Towles for the starting position during two previous spring and fall practice sessions. Barker has certainly not demonstrated any more ability to succeed than Towles. What Barker has demonstrated is considerable poor judgment in some highly publicized off the field incidents. One involved shooting a pellet gun with some of his teammates on UK's campus. The other incidents involved being in a bar fight and getting cold cocked at an EKU dorm.

After Stoops showed Towles the door at the end of last season, Stoops "wished him the best" and at the same time proclaimed that he "expects to see Towles play on Sunday". Say what? He thinks Towles has enough skills to play in the NFL but can't play for lowly UK? I don't blame Phillips and Towles for going elsewhere as apparently, Stoops has already anointed Barker as the quarterback for the future notwithstanding what happens during next year's spring and fall practices. Now, Stoops has no depth at quarterback and must rely on unproven, freshmen to replace Barker in the event he gets hurt or simply can't get the job done.

As a long time UK fan, I very much want Stoops to succeed. While he has been able to lure better players to UK than his predecessor, I have seen little evidence that these players have improved or made UK a better football team. We still can't block anybody, can't protect the quarterback and when our receivers are open they often drop the ball. Defensively, we have never been more than mediocre or worse. Of course, UK has been playing this same way, for the most part, on offense and defense over the last 60 years.

No one can reasonably expect Mark Stoops to suddenly reverse more than a half century of losing football. However, as fans, we do have a right to expect the person filling the position as UK's head football coach to at least have the ability to exercise good judgment when it comes to: (1) hiring his staff,(2) developing and instituting a vision for what it takes for UK to have football success, (3) developing his players and (4) correctly making critical in game decisions. We also have a right to expect that if there are rifts between players on the team that the head coach has the ability to correct such rifts and not let such rifts fester to the detriment of team success.

After 3 years, I have yet to see substantial evidence that Mark Stoops has the requisite minimal abilities to be UK's head coach. What I have seen is someone painfully learning, at UK's considerable expense, of how not to be a successful head coach.
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tbrooster

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To all those that think stoops is not the guy.... Name another HC that will come here and truly believe he can make UK into a winning football program... Not one that comes for money! One that believes!

I want the guy that believes! I want the guy that is passionate about football. Stoops is going to make mistakes, but hiring Gran is in my opinion his first big step as an HC. Gran's title is awkward, but telling. Stoops is learning that he needs to hire good people and let them do their job. He needs to set the vision and I think he will be very good at doing so.
 
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BARBQGRILLER

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EKU game sums up Stoops in Year 3 ! Year 4 will be worse , New offensive system , No real exp. QB's and a brutal schedule . Barney is the problem !!!!!!!
 
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