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Does Orange really pay $18M?

onewoof

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Found this online below, are the big 4 bowls still like this?

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BowlPayout Per Team
BCS Championship$18 M
Orange$18 M
Fiesta$18 M
Rose$18 M
Sugar$18 M
Capital One$4.25 M
Outback$3.1 M
Cotton$3 M
Chick-Fil-A*$2.83 M
Gator$2.5 M
Alamo$2.25 M
Champs Sports$2.25 M

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8dog

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Just google "sec orange bow 27.5". Plenty of folks discussing it

Orange is a contract bowl. Pays each conf 27.5. Big ten and sec got a great deal becausw they each have a guaranteed other contract game when rose ans sugar arent playoffs that will pay each con 40 mill
 
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8dog

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Good link

One thing not mentioned is that over the 8 yrs orange is not a playoff they have to take big 10 3 times and sec 3 times. No min for ND. This means if the sec gets 4 or 5 of those 8 then the comm decisiom yesterday was really really big

It was big anyway aince sec will get one of its 27.5 now
 
seshomoru

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The way that reads....

MSU and Ole Miss just made the conference a lot of money. But they should probably kick us out for USF and UCF.
 
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engie

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8dog said:
Good link

One thing not mentioned is that over the 8 yrs orange is not a playoff they have to take big 10 3 times and sec 3 times. No min for ND. This means if the sec gets 4 or 5 of those 8 then the comm decisiom yesterday was really really big

It was big anyway aince sec will get one of its 27.5 now
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You've got it right. Over 8 years, the Orange will take a B1G or SEC team a minimum of 3 times, not to exceed 5 times.

In reality, we're in the biggest money bowl for the conference this year -- and it isn't even close... The playoffs will bring in more money, but it'll be split far more directions...
 
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8dog

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Those numbers are wrong. Those are the old numbers. Ot was more because it was the acc number 2 bowl and the secs 4th or 5th
 
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engie

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BiscuitEater said:
That site says ... Chick-fil-A Peach
Atlanta, GA
$3,967,500 ACC; $2,932,500 SEC

Why would the SEC sign up for a bowl that pays the SEC $1Million+ less than the ACC team?
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That's how it was in the BCS era. Presumably because the Peach got ACC #2, while it got SEC #5. Even though we won it more often than we should considering the conference standing "mismatch" applied to all of our bowl games after the Sugar(and this year the Orange). I'm not even sure the numbers they give are correct for the BCS era(It's really hard to take seriously with them pasting this year's teams into last year's payouts after everyone knows it was restructured)...
 
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HD6 said:
Why 2/16ths? Is it not 2/14ths?
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My understanding is that the payout for each bowl is split into two pots. Most of the money goes into the big pot, which is split equally 15 ways (one share for each team and one for the SEC). Then a much smaller portion of each bowl payout is paid to the school to help cover expenses. The smaller payout used to track the payout from the individual bowl. So you got a smaller share for the Liberty than for the Outback. But now that most of the bowls are slotted by the SEC, not sure how they're going to determine what amount the school gets. It would suck to get slotted below your record and that have your payout reduced so I'm assuming they are doing something to account for that.
 
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Rog said:
What do you think 55 divided by 2 is?
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Why don't you tell me what it is smart ***? As if I wasn't obvious in my initial post that it was simply a clarification of what was already stated. I do appreciate your massive contribution to an otherwise informative thread though.

The clarification was necessary because the Sugar/Orange/etc BCS games NEVER -- since 2005 -- actually paid $18mil to the SEC. But since you are the resident math expert -- how about you attempt to explain to the rest of us why that was before I do that for you? The Orange will pay us $27.5 every year the conference is represented there outside of the playoffs -- regardless of outside factors that allowed the BCS to only pay us a fraction of the $18mil promised for BCS games in the vast majority of the years the BCS system was in place.
 
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johnson86-1 said:
My understanding is that the payout for each bowl is split into two pots. Most of the money goes into the big pot, which is split equally 15 ways (one share for each team and one for the SEC). Then a much smaller portion of each bowl payout is paid to the school to help cover expenses. The smaller payout used to track the payout from the individual bowl. So you got a smaller share for the Liberty than for the Outback. But now that most of the bowls are slotted by the SEC, not sure how they're going to determine what amount the school gets. It would suck to get slotted below your record and that have your payout reduced so I'm assuming they are doing something to account for that.
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This is my understanding as well...
 
FQDawg

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You're on the right trail but your math is just a bit off...

The payout for each SEC bowl is divided into 16 full shares (used to be 14 when we were a 12-team conference).

Each team in the conference gets a share (14 shares)
The school that plays in that bowl gets a second share (up to 15) - that's the bonus you mentioned.
The conference office gets a share (16)

So, we get 2/16ths of the Orange Bowl payout to the SEC.
 
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engie

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That makes sense and simplifies determining actual payouts a great deal. Understanding that would have made my life much easier in the past when trying to figure actual take-home money vs trying to pull hard $$ numbers from individual bowls.
 
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121Josey

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Simple logic would say that he's arguing that the "hard bonus" is less than 2/16. Doubt he has a deficiency in elementary arithmetic.
 
onewoof

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So what is the new payout for the Peach this year?

FQDawg said:
The payout for each SEC bowl is divided into 16 full shares (used to be 14 when we were a 12-team conference).

Each team in the conference gets a share (14 shares)
The school that plays in that bowl gets a second share (up to 15) - that's the bonus you mentioned.
The conference office gets a share (16)

So, we get 2/16ths of the Orange Bowl payout to the SEC.
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It's one of the big 6 so I would imagine it pays a good bit more than last year?
 
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engie

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Looking a little deeper, the hard math still doesn't work out, so there's a bit more to the figuring the bonus as a hard 1/16. For ease of application, I like the 1/16 factoring alot more than trying to memorize a million different hard $$ figures, but it doesn't appear to be correct. The SEC schools' "bonus" last year was $16.8 million of a total $52.3 million prior to expenses. Numbers don't work out.

Here is the SEC bylaw straight out of the manual, which is hard # distribution like I thought unfortunately...

 
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engie

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onewoof said:
It's one of the big 6 so I would imagine it pays a good bit more than last year?
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It's hard to tell exactly because of how convoluted the new system is with the contract bowls coming from money outside of the New Years 6 money in years they aren't a part of the playoff, etc. My guess is that the bowl, overall, pays $40-50mil. But that's split somewhere around 75% Power 5, 25% league of 5. Then through the revenue distribution models of the individual conferences. Plus $4mil to the conference of the school that actually appeared($6mil when it's a semifinal) So, actual per school payout isn't all that high when compared to the(non-playoff) Orange and Sugar. In years when it's a semifinal, it'll be worth $100mil probably, but will be split the same way. Assuming all of that, as a playoff game, it would be worth ~ $75mil to the power 5, ~ $13mil to the SEC as a semifinal regardless + $6mil for having an SEC team play in it. So, really the Peach is worth about $20mil to us in playoff years when we have teams represented and worth about $10mil in non-playoff years when we have a team represented. It's worth about $6mil to the SEC even when we don't have a team there in non-playoff years, and worth about $10mil in playoff years that we don't have a team there.

My understanding is that the SEC's golden gooses now are the Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl in years that they are actually not part of the playoffs. Because that money is apart from the "pot" and is paid straight into our pockets...
 
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MagnificentBastard said:
http://businessofcollegesports.com/...yoff-payoutsrevenue-distribution-for-2014-15/

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/12/08/college-football-playoff-conference-payouts/
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So if i am reading those articles correctly, our move ahead of Michigan State to #7 netted the SEC (and cost the Big10) $23.5 million ($27.5-$4)?? Would it be safe to say that this is the first time ever that we have put more into the SEC Bowl pot than we have gotten back in our share? You're welcome, SEC.
 
NWADog

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After reading through all of this I kind of have a decent understand of how this all works. Hopefully I don't sound like a tool asking this but has anyone come up with a pretty close estimate of what we could be pulling in to our school after this bowl season?
 
BulldogBlitz

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they pay out that much due to the revenue collected on rental cars, tolls, and hotel taxes
 
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engie

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NWADog said:
After reading through all of this I kind of have a decent understand of how this all works. Hopefully I don't sound like a tool asking this but has anyone come up with a pretty close estimate of what we could be pulling in to our school after this bowl season?
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$50mil CFP + $27.5mil Orange Bowl + $6mil participation Bama + $4mil participation OM + $1.2mil Independence + $1.4mil Liberty + $3mil Texas + $2.8mil Music City + $1.7mil Belk + $3.5mil Outback + $4.25mil Citrus + $2.75mil Gator + $1mil Birmingham = $109.1 Million.

Last year's total distribution:
$52.3Mil with $14.8Mil expenses = $37.5mil profit split 15 ways = $2.5mil/school

Assuming expenses stay the same, we walk with $94.3mil profit split 15 ways = $6.3mil/school

Assuming these numbers are correct, which they may or may not be but are pretty conservative overall(still alot of sketchy information out there), we will clear about an extra $4mil this year when the dust settles. And the CFP money is an escalator contract -- so it will go up every year of it's existence. Putting a pencil to it, it's actually a little less gain than I expected, which was $5-7mil new revenue...
 
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MSUDawg25

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No. It pays $18MM.

What in the hell would we do with eighteen thousand dollars?
 
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NWADog

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Awesome! Thanks for that break down. Kinda sucks we can't get all of the 27.5 million for our own success but oh well.
 
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That's about what I come to from reading the information on payouts we can find on the Internet. But I'm having trouble believing the conferences really signed up for so much variability in their payouts each year. According to that, not counting the appearance revenues for playoff and other bowls, the SEC gets roughly $80M in years the Sugar Bowl doesn't host a playoff game, but only $50M in years it does, unless the SEC gets a team in the Orange Bowl, in which case it gets $80M after all. And there are similar variabilities for each of the other 4 major conferences. I know that's what the explanations we've seen says, but it doesn't quite pass the smell test.
 
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abitadawg said:
So if i am reading those articles correctly, our move ahead of Michigan State to #7 netted the SEC (and cost the Big10) $23.5 million ($27.5-$4)?? Would it be safe to say that this is the first time ever that we have put more into the SEC Bowl pot than we have gotten back in our share? You're welcome, SEC.
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We're like the dude on welfare who wins the Powerball.
 
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