This might be my favorite press conference of his. I think it’s refreshing to hear someone say they make mistakes. Like we all do.
Wait, are we talking fraud or wasteful spending?
If someone is wasting my tax dollars for their own gain, it’s fraud
Not a smartass response. Link the list so we can see it. Preferably from a reasonable source and with explanation of if it's waste or if it's a temporary disputation with firings of services that are really deemed essential and that Congress wants and intends to fund.
I am not trying to discredit Musk. Musk has constantly posted incorrect info and lies...he discredits himself. Heck, he literally said he pushed incorrect info in the quote I provided.
I think they will uncover, at a minimum, a trillion dollars in “fraud” when DOGE wraps up.
Agreed. Not sure why glfr is acting like “wasteful spending” when it comes to hundreds of billions of dollars of American tax dollars is no big deal. It’s just TDS at it’s highest form.
The "trillions in fraud" goes back decades not just last year. A lot of the US Aid audits went back to 2003. I agree that calling it all fraud is misleading. A better way to look at it is what Musk and Co view as "wasteful."Has DOGE uncovered trillions of dollars in fraud?
I mean, the USAID stuff that some find morally objectionable isnt fraud, so that sort of stuff cant count as fraud.
How much fraud has DOGE uncovered? The US spent 6.75T in '24...but DOGE has uncovered TRILLIONS in fraud? Like multiple Trillion in fraud, when 6.75 was spent?
DOGE says it found nearly untraceable budget line item responsible for $4.7T in payments
DOGE identified a nearly untraceable code linking payments to the U.S. Treasury to a budget line item, accounting for nearly $4.7 trillion in payments.www.foxnews.com
Fox article mentions $55billion has been saved in costs so far. And again, that isnt fraud, its just saved costs. There is a HUGE difference between fraud and reduced costs.
So 5% of a trillion? Thats awesome to see...but its not all fraud and its not multiple trillions uncovered.
Again, I am all for reducing wasteful spending.
Do you think $10M of American tax dollars for "Mozambique voluntary medical male circumcision” is wasteful spending or fraud?
I never knew TDS caused people to "speak in tongues" until now. I actually think sky-screaming is more effective than this gibberish. LOL
...so creative accounting would have to be used to claim trillions in fraud has been recovered, and it includes things that were paid for over 2 decades ago.
He will not answer a question that specific
Luckily you arent an accountant or prosecutor because you would be fired for not understanding what fraud is.
Trim it where it makes sense but focusing on these for your savings is going after the small dollars. Civilian federal salaries are in the 200 million range (majority of that civilian DoD). Fed spending is like 7 trillion.
I’ll give glfr credit, he’s saying some of the right things like “I’m against wasteful spending “. He’s not dumb, he knows what’s occurring with DOGE is essentially good. His TDS is just preventing him from getting all the way there.
Given the HIV prevalence in Southern Africa and the strong negative correlation between circumcision and HIV transmission, that's probably a good investment, saving money in the long term.
The people who genuinely believe that even a subject matter experts, of which musk is not, could properly evaluate any one of these agencies in the days that it took for them to start cutting crap is quite unbelievable to me. Common sense and critical thinking are as dead as these 150 year olds getting all the SS $$$.
I posted about this last week.
Now with a straight face . Was your vote for Harris more of a vote for Harris or a vote against Trump ?
It’s apparent we are on total opposite sides of the ideological spectrum. I do not support sending millions of dollars to other countries for circumcisions or HIV prevention. Now it’s a free country, so if you do, that’s your choice.I posted about this last week.
- No it is not fraud. It is clearly not fraud. If you think it is fraud, then you dont have any idea what that term means.
- I dont know if it would have been wasteful spending or if it would have been smart spending. What comes from the spent money would determine that.
- In general, I think that $10MM is a lot of money and for that, we better have been able to circumcise like 40,000 men. If it was a lot fewer, then yeah I could see it being viewed as wasted funding.
This really is just a matter of perspective- whether or not a person thinks there is a net gain by helping other countries with their health and prosperity(which is why the program existed) and what that help is worth.
I also think it is a damn shame that programs like this werent discussed with any context. That goes back to what I view as an irresponsible way of overseeing and communicating this process.
USAID - provided 50% of Catholic Relief Services funding. They are the largest Christian aid organization in the world. 50% cut without any analysis or concern for the lives worldwide who are affected. The Trump org put out a dozen bullet points about USAID funding stuff they had found, with all the appropriate LGBTQ+ dog whistles, but as it turns out, 11 of those were not USAID funded and multiple, including the two most egregious offenses were State Department funded. Of course, I made the mistake of listening to one of Trumps speaking engagements last week were he thoroughly confused US National Debt with US trade deficits, so I'm sure we are on the right track. I mean at least he is honoring the Constitution and the law throughout the process.***There have been countless people who have resigned in the last few weeks that havent been accused of doing anything wrong.
She also hasnt been accused of doing anything wrong. I mean like actually accused by someone with knowledge. Twitter accusing her or anyone else is...well its Twitter.
This is Twitter in a nutshell...and its also a ton of people on SPS.
This is basically the fundamental difference b/t most dems and most republicans.
Nothing wrong with being reasonably and healthily skeptical. Anything that has happened so far that makes you more skeptical? If so be specific.
They have uncovered a ton of things that are either wasteful or fraud. Both are bad/terrible.Has DOGE uncovered trillions of dollars in fraud?
I mean, the USAID stuff that some find morally objectionable isnt fraud, so that sort of stuff cant count as fraud.
How much fraud has DOGE uncovered? The US spent 6.75T in '24...but DOGE has uncovered TRILLIONS in fraud? Like multiple Trillion in fraud, when 6.75 was spent?
DOGE says it found nearly untraceable budget line item responsible for $4.7T in payments
DOGE identified a nearly untraceable code linking payments to the U.S. Treasury to a budget line item, accounting for nearly $4.7 trillion in payments.
Fox article mentions $55billion has been saved in costs so far. And again, that isnt fraud, its just saved costs. There is a HUGE difference between fraud and reduced costs.
So 5% of a trillion? Thats awesome to see...but its not all fraud and its not multiple trillions uncovered.
Again, the idiots fellating Musk over his findings are completely ignoring the size of these organizations and the impossibility of anyone properly analyzing them in days/weeks. If I walked into any one of these poster's businesses and within days told them I'd figured out what they were doing wrong, stopped payment on all outstanding checks to their vendors and fired all the people who were no good, they would howl about the stupidity of the situation.
It was both. I was never a huge Harris fanboy (in contrast to Biden), but she would have been an acceptable "generic Democrat" which works for me.
Most interesting opinion article I read about Elon's end game was from across the pond and it said his sole goal was the colonize Mars and this was just a stepping stone. I struggled to determine how they were associating his current efforts with getting to Mars beyond gaining more power and money?
Cry more.
