DOJ will no longer force criminal charges for deleting diesels

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My concern was whether a dealer would accept a deleted vehicle on a trade. I know the local Chevy dealer and he quit trading for trucks that were deleted. He resold a deleted truck and it had an engine failure soon after. He was sued and lost even though he didn’t do the delete.
 
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My concern was whether a dealer would accept a deleted vehicle on a trade. I know the local Chevy dealer and he quit trading for trucks that were deleted. He resold a deleted truck and it had an engine failure soon after. He was sued and lost even though he didn’t do the delete.
I don’t delete pickups.

We delete tractors and semis whenever they get to a point that there are DEF issues. I can spend over 5000 bucks a pop to fix a tractor and probably have to have it worked on again for the same thing a year later or I can spend 3 grand and get it deleted. The semi trucks aren’t going to be traded in. They’ll either run til they die or get put in an auction.
 
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We deleted several of our yard trucks and spot truck but not our over the road trucks. I’m running a simulator on my motorhome. It tells the engine computer everything is hunky dory whether the DEF system is working or not.
 

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I wonder what the Statue of Limitations" is on something like this? I took the catalytic converter off of my 1978 Chevy Chevette, punched holes in it, dumped all the pellets out of it and put it back on. Took that 4 cylinder from a 1.6 liter 63HP mouse to a 68 HP Roaring Dragon, 0-60 mph in 20 seconds flat!
 

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My concern was whether a dealer would accept a deleted vehicle on a trade. I know the local Chevy dealer and he quit trading for trucks that were deleted. He resold a deleted truck and it had an engine failure soon after. He was sued and lost even though he didn’t do the delete.
We looked at one for trade this past week, a 2017 F-250 w/89,000 miles deleted. We WILL trade for them at a much reduced offer than one that is not deleted. This particular person believes his was worth nearly $20,000 more than we offered and at least $10,000 more than what NADA would be on a regular DEF truck. No deal.
 

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I don’t delete pickups.

We delete tractors and semis whenever they get to a point that there are DEF issues. I can spend over 5000 bucks a pop to fix a tractor and probably have to have it worked on again for the same thing a year later or I can spend 3 grand and get it deleted. The semi trucks aren’t going to be traded in. They’ll either run til they die or get put in an auction.
I was surprised to see a video where a Ford 6.7 was torn down that had a several hundred thousand miles on it, stock. Was still clean, and clearances were near factory. The consensus among the techs who tore it down was:

Adding a High quality catch can and no long idling made for a long lasting, reliable engine.
 

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The climate change narrative has taken one hell of a hit past couple years. Real data just hasn’t supported 30 years of doom predictions.

A while back I saw a mechanic on YouTube drop a camera into a deleted 6.7 Cummins, and it was clean as a pin vs stock.
It’s certainly being used to push a radical and expensive left wing agenda.
 
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I was surprised to see a video where a Ford 6.7 was torn down that had a several hundred thousand miles on it, stock. Was still clean, and clearances were near factory. The consensus among the techs who tore it down was:

Adding a High quality catch can and no long idling made for a long lasting, reliable engine.
What’s wild about the DEF system is it chokes the engine and makes it work harder to get the power needed. After deletion the fuel consumption actually goes down and gets better power.
 

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Regarding enforcement stuff......Wait til we get GPS speed limit monitoring. Cars will have devices to report when your vehicle goes over the posted speed limit. It will be like a speed tax. Go over a little bit (maybe up to 5 mph over) and you'll be charged a minimal charge. Go over significantly, and you get a substantial fee charged against you. Go over a lot, and you'll get a big bill. Go over a stupid amount and you'll probably get a visit from your local law enforcement. Don't pay your accumulated penalties and you will have a warrant for your arrest issued. I have heard it's being talked about and likely down the road in the next 5 years. This would relieve enforcement of traffic control barring the obvious stuff like running a red light or rolling through a stop sign. Might want to start practicing easing up on the old accelerator pedal. Bet you money.....it's coming in the future. Too much money for local and state governments to ignore as they know a lot of people speed.
 
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This would relieve enforcement of traffic control barring the obvious stuff like running a red light or rolling through a stop sign. Might want to start practicing easing up on the old accelerator pedal. Bet you money.....it's coming in the future.
cops are known for not being lazy, they'd never go for this*. Not to mention, municipalities would never try to further gouge taxpayers*
 

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Regarding enforcement stuff......Wait til we get GPS speed limit monitoring. Cars will have devices to report when your vehicle goes over the posted speed limit. It will be like a speed tax. Go over a little bit (maybe up to 5 mph over) and you'll be charged a minimal charge. Go over significantly, and you get a substantial fee charged against you. Go over a lot, and you'll get a big bill. Go over a stupid amount and you'll probably get a visit from your local law enforcement. Don't pay your accumulated penalties and you will have a warrant for your arrest issued. I have heard it's being talked about and likely down the road in the next 5 years. This would relieve enforcement of traffic control barring the obvious stuff like running a red light or rolling through a stop sign. Might want to start practicing easing up on the old accelerator pedal. Bet you money.....it's coming in the future. Too much money for local and state governments to ignore as they know a lot of people speed.
It’s here now for some businesses. If you have a large fleet of vehicles you probably have these devices on them now, as well as both inside & outside cameras. And they send real time alerts to corporate for speeding or rapid braking situations. And of course the insurance company gets that data too.
 
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Not arguing, legit question, why could it not be used to grow edible crops? Or raise livestock?
Biggest issues would be the transition costs…it’s more than likely not going to use the same equipment, having facilities nearby that would take whatever you’re growing, and marketability. Livestock right now is insane especially cattle. It costs so much money to buy cattle right now.

You would need everyone or at least a good many in one area to decide to change to something else and then you would need the proper processing or facilities to handle it.

It’s not an easy process and not cheap either.
 
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To get back on track here, I read the DOJ statement. They will not pursue criminal charges for individuals or shops that install delete kits but:
“may pursue CIVIL charges where appropriate.”

Hmm. Seems like more half-asssery. I wonder if this also leaves to door open to later re-initiate these ridiculous policies.
 
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To get back on track here, I read the DOJ statement. They will not pursue criminal charges for individuals or shops that install delete kits but:
“may pursue CIVIL charges where appropriate.”

Hmm. Seems like more half-asssery. I wonder if this also leaves to door open to later re-initiate these ridiculous policies.
I think once you see a different president in the whitehouse it’s going to revert back
 

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I think once you see a different president in the whitehouse it’s going to revert back
Interesting posturing, though. Even if temporary. I wonder which lobby base pushed for this.

Makes me wonder if the Big 3 automakers are shifting the lobby in DC from “let’s choke the hell out our engines” to “let’s at least allow the private market to fix them”.

Or:

Do you think this may be a move by the farm lobby to allow agriculture to return to being exempt on emissions?
 
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Interesting posturing, though. Even if temporary. I wonder which lobby base pushed for this.

Makes me wonder if the Big 3 automakers are shifting the lobby in DC from “let’s choke the hell out our engines” to “let’s at least allow the private market to fix them”.

Or:

Do you think this may be a move by the farm lobby to allow agriculture to return to being exempt on emissions?
Farming has lobbied from the beginning on them. It’s not necessarily the premise of what they’re for it’s the shítty technology that costs a lot when it breaks (and it often does). It’s just not made for dust and dirt.
 
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Ethanol for sure. It’s not cleaner, wastes a lot of a valuable food crop, hurts fuel economy & damages engines. It’s horrible.
I was constantly replacing primer bulbs, and hoses on my Echo 2 cycle equipment, never got more than 18 months before they cracked and started leaking. Complained to my dealer and he said quit using ethanol gas and and you won't have to replace them. Truer words have never been spoken. I started buying the non ethanol more expensive fuel and haven't replaced one yet. My dealer in Jackson told me that and I've been in Starkville 8 years now, big difference. I don't know how many car component parts are subject to being hurt by ethanol but it pisses you off when they are selling it to you knowing it's going to eat those parts
 

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Regarding enforcement stuff......Wait til we get GPS speed limit monitoring. Cars will have devices to report when your vehicle goes over the posted speed limit. It will be like a speed tax. Go over a little bit (maybe up to 5 mph over) and you'll be charged a minimal charge. Go over significantly, and you get a substantial fee charged against you. Go over a lot, and you'll get a big bill. Go over a stupid amount and you'll probably get a visit from your local law enforcement. Don't pay your accumulated penalties and you will have a warrant for your arrest issued. I have heard it's being talked about and likely down the road in the next 5 years. This would relieve enforcement of traffic control barring the obvious stuff like running a red light or rolling through a stop sign. Might want to start practicing easing up on the old accelerator pedal. Bet you money.....it's coming in the future. Too much money for local and state governments to ignore as they know a lot of people speed.
I hope my car can at least drive itself without killing me, or others, at that point. If I'm just riding and doing other things, I can handle the speed limit.
 

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It’s here now for some businesses. If you have a large fleet of vehicles you probably have these devices on them now, as well as both inside & outside cameras. And they send real time alerts to corporate for speeding or rapid braking situations. And of course the insurance company gets that data too.
Most OTR trucking companies set max speeds. Something like 69 max speed, 71 if you are on the pedal. You rarely see semis just rolling these days unless they are an independent.
 

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there is a lot of things DOJ is no longer interested in prosecuting. Things far more criminal than diesel emissions.

Mostly because the U.S. Attorneys office around the nation are short handed from the doge fiasco.
 

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Most OTR trucking companies set max speeds. Something like 69 max speed, 71 if you are on the pedal. You rarely see semis just rolling these days unless they are an independent.
I remember back in the 55speed limit days. Truckers used to go 80 and terrorize the roads. Now they block traffic for 2 miles while 1 going 70 passes another going 69.
 

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I remember back in the 55speed limit days. Truckers used to go 80 and terrorize the roads. Now they block traffic for 2 miles while 1 going 70 passes another going 69.
I feel that some interstates between certain cities really need 3 lanes in both directions for the entire distance. Between Memphis and Nashville desperately needs this. Between Memphis and Little Rock and OKCity also. Heck, if I could do it, it would be that way coast to coast on I-40 and I-10. Plus, the Federal Interstate Highway standards need to add a whole foot in width for every lane. Currently, just too tight with how big the big rigs are. Adding width to all road lanes would reduce accidents tremendously.
 
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Ethanol for sure. It’s not cleaner, wastes a lot of a valuable food crop, hurts fuel economy & damages engines. It’s horrible.
Meh….Vehicle manufacturers figured out the ethanol problem a long time ago. There’s really no engine damage happening with your standard E10 gas on anything made in the past 20 years or so.

Now, lawnmowers and 2-stroke small engines? That’s another story.
 

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Meh….Vehicle manufacturers figured out the ethanol problem a long time ago. There’s really no engine damage happening with your standard E10 gas on anything made in the past 20 years or so.

Now, lawnmowers and 2-stroke small engines? That’s another story.
Yep. Automotive components are built with better materials to handle ethanol, most small engines are not.
 
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Plus, the Federal Interstate Highway standards need to add a whole foot in width for every lane. Currently, just too tight with how big the big rigs are. Adding width to all road lanes would reduce accidents tremendously.
Soccer Mom's, Snowflakes, and TikTokers putting their damn phones down while driving would reduce accidents way more, just throwing that out there
 
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California just passed a tax on miles driven… going to cost the average family $2-$4K a year in California
 

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In some places it could be in the Midwest it would be pretty limited.
It’s here now for some businesses. If you have a large fleet of vehicles you probably have these devices on them now, as well as both inside & outside cameras. And they send real time alerts to corporate for speeding or rapid braking situations. And of course the insurance company gets that data too.
Yeah, the company I was contracted with in Midland, TX had this installed in thier fleet while I was out there. It got alot of people's driving privileges revoked until they realized it actually tracked what they stated.