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at 9-7, we would be a bubble NIT team. Our RPI is horrible. I think we may have trouble with Auburn this weekend. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have had a lot of trouble there over the past 5 or 6 years. If we win Saturday, I will be somewhat surprised.
Short of the field suddenly expanding to 95. We could win all 7 regular season games left by 25 and we wouldn't get in.
at the beginning of every season. Even without Bost & Sydney Stans should have his team more fired up to play but he don't so I'm ready for CHANGE.
thf24 said:
There was also a time when the SEC West winner had never been excluded from the tourney. We were the first to accomplish that. If we're 11-5 then we'll be the first for that too. The only way we make the tourney is to win the SEC tournament. Right now we're playing to get in the NIT.
12-4 very likely would have you on the bubble outside looking in.
Even if you win out every game and lose the SEC tourney final, I don't know that it would get you in, though that might just be enough to get you a 12 seed.
Even if you win out every game and lose the SEC tourney final, I don't know that it would get you in, though that might just be enough to get you a 12 seed.
then the team (be it Bama, State or OM) gets in for sure. I doubt the committee is going to leave out the SEC champion in the cold.<div>
</div><div>I mean to say that, State can make it into the NCAA only if they win the SEC outright or win the SECT, of course.</div>
</div><div>I mean to say that, State can make it into the NCAA only if they win the SEC outright or win the SECT, of course.</div>
msubullie4life said:
I might agree with that, but I don't know that the selection committee will treat the SEC much different than other leagues, especially if the "champion" is a West team that by perception (and reality too) will have played a much easier conference schedule than the teams from the East.
I don't think it'll be an issue though for either of us, though the question could come into play for Alabama. I think you'll finish around 10-6 at best, maybe 9-7.
I see us in the 8-8 range, 9-7 at best. I think Bama will finish in the 12-4 range, and they may split the SEC overall title or even win it outright with that number. If they do that, I still think they're a bubble team even at 12-4. The committee may give them the benefit of the doubt, but I wouldn't consider them a lock even at 12-4.
I think we would have a good shot to get in at 11-5, but I don't think State would. Your RPI, schedule strength, and bad losses are too much to overcome with only an 11-5 record.
The SEC office and Mike Slive might throw a fit if Bama gets left out after winning the SEC. If it were OM or State that gets left out, they'd release a statement something along these lines: "I agree with the selection committee..those schools must play a harder non-confschedule" (Read: Who cares about the MS schools??!!)<div>
</div><div>But for the record, I don't think the overall SEC champ (or any of the Big 6's overall champs no matter their non conference record) is going to be left out on Selection Sunday.</div>
</div><div>But for the record, I don't think the overall SEC champ (or any of the Big 6's overall champs no matter their non conference record) is going to be left out on Selection Sunday.</div>
1. An 11-5 mark would put us a solid third in the SEC, possibly second.
2. The rest of America sucks outside the Big East and Kansas. The 12th place team in the Big East skulldrugged the best team in the ACC recently. The best team in the Pac 10 lost to a sub-200 team.
3. Only two mid-major conferences are likely to get multiple bids.
4. Because of this, the SEC is likely to get 6, maybe 7 teams in the tournament.
5. If we finish third in the SEC, the NCAA committee will not pass us to pick up four more teams in our conference.
6. Also remember that they added 4 at-large spots this year, so in a year where there aren't that many good at-large teams, they have to get 4 more than usual.
All that being said, winning 6 of our last 7 will be difficult and unlikely. This team pisses me off. They have the attitude to lose at Auburn Saturday and the talent to beat Kentucky Tuesday.
2. The rest of America sucks outside the Big East and Kansas. The 12th place team in the Big East skulldrugged the best team in the ACC recently. The best team in the Pac 10 lost to a sub-200 team.
3. Only two mid-major conferences are likely to get multiple bids.
4. Because of this, the SEC is likely to get 6, maybe 7 teams in the tournament.
5. If we finish third in the SEC, the NCAA committee will not pass us to pick up four more teams in our conference.
6. Also remember that they added 4 at-large spots this year, so in a year where there aren't that many good at-large teams, they have to get 4 more than usual.
All that being said, winning 6 of our last 7 will be difficult and unlikely. This team pisses me off. They have the attitude to lose at Auburn Saturday and the talent to beat Kentucky Tuesday.
I think a 13-3 Bama likely gets in. Definitely at 14-2. At 12-4 I think they'll be on the bubble needing another win or 2 in the SECT.
I just don't think a regular season title is a lock for a west team given the division and unbalanced schedule.
If we were to win out, go 11-5, and share the overall title I think we would probably be in bc our RPI would be in the right range.
Remember though a few years ago a 13-3 LSU SEC champ got an 8 seed so it's not impossible a Bama team could get left out.
I just don't think a regular season title is a lock for a west team given the division and unbalanced schedule.
If we were to win out, go 11-5, and share the overall title I think we would probably be in bc our RPI would be in the right range.
Remember though a few years ago a 13-3 LSU SEC champ got an 8 seed so it's not impossible a Bama team could get left out.
The SEC champ has not been left out of the Dance since the Tourney expanded to 32 teams in 1975- Bammer wont get left if they win it- no matter what
Bammer is also 3-0 vs East
There is no "bubble" for them if they go 12-4- hell, Lunardi has them in already
Bammer is also 3-0 vs East
There is no "bubble" for them if they go 12-4- hell, Lunardi has them in already
Real time has us at 145 and is not updated from last night. It won't move much. I don't know what the highest ever RPI to get in the tournament at large is, but we'd need to be in the 50's range at the very least.
Ain't happening.
Plus, for all your positive reasons, the committee is going to go out of their way to leave us out. The fight embarrassed the sport, everybody hates Sidney, and Stansbury is seen (correctly) as selling out to win games. We'll get absolutely no sympathy from the committee.
Plus, our view of ourselves has been historically incorrect recently. We thought we'd get in after making it to Sunday last year. We didn't. We thought we had a chance at an at-large the year before had we lost to UT. Our seeding told us otherwise. The committee is not fond of SEC basketball right now, and with good reason.
If we win the league, either in the regular season or the tournament, we get in. Otherwise, we have no chance.
Ain't happening.
Plus, for all your positive reasons, the committee is going to go out of their way to leave us out. The fight embarrassed the sport, everybody hates Sidney, and Stansbury is seen (correctly) as selling out to win games. We'll get absolutely no sympathy from the committee.
Plus, our view of ourselves has been historically incorrect recently. We thought we'd get in after making it to Sunday last year. We didn't. We thought we had a chance at an at-large the year before had we lost to UT. Our seeding told us otherwise. The committee is not fond of SEC basketball right now, and with good reason.
If we win the league, either in the regular season or the tournament, we get in. Otherwise, we have no chance.
Lots of talking heads saying how soft the bubble is this year, unfortunately we 17ed up majorly in non-conference. Too many bad losses on our resume at this point.
Same goes for any team with the best record in their conference at this point. He's counting Bama as the SEC Tourney winner. He doesn't have them in as an at large.
I don't see it. UK, Vandy, UF, Tenn & Bama (That's 5, who will be the other team(s)?)615dawg said:
We need to beat Tenn and UK for sure. We basically have to win out to have any chance in hell at the NCAA. It's NIT again for us, which would not be a bad think if both Dee and the RSS return for next year.
It's the same ole song and dance ever year with Stans and the OOC games.. We might as well play better teams and lose to them than losing to horrible teams.
Obviously for added talent. But also to guarantee that next season is without a doubt Rick's final judgement. I don't see how excuses can be continued on any further after that point if we don't excel. Losing Kodi/Benock will be tough at first, but with the return of everyone else, plus having Moultrie and the new recruiting class, there will be absolutely no reason for us not to make a solid run next year. None.
Of course, I probably said the same thing heading into this season as well and here I am again talking about next season. You know that old joke "What comes, but never arrives?". Well, nstead of "tomorrow", the new answer should be "MSU basketball success".
Of course, I probably said the same thing heading into this season as well and here I am again talking about next season. You know that old joke "What comes, but never arrives?". Well, nstead of "tomorrow", the new answer should be "MSU basketball success".
According to Jerry Palm we have 2 Top 100 wins overall and are 3-10 against the Top 200. The only 2 teams worse in the SEC are Auburn (3-12) and LSU (2-12). Every other team in the SEC has at least 6. Let that sink in, folks. Rick Stansbury and the boys have THREE wins on the season against the top 2/3rds of the NCAA.
So, yeah. Unlike what the geniuses chiming in this thread believe, we have NO chance of getting in. And even entertaining the thought that we could end up 11-5 is a joke. We will lose at least 2 if not all at Arkie, at UT, and at UK.
So, yeah. Unlike what the geniuses chiming in this thread believe, we have NO chance of getting in. And even entertaining the thought that we could end up 11-5 is a joke. We will lose at least 2 if not all at Arkie, at UT, and at UK.
This is just not true. Ohio State is undefeated. Say what you want about their depth, but their top 6-7 guys are very, very good. Texas may be playing better than anyone right now. Duke is still Duke. They miss Irving and their bigs have got to play better, but it is foolish to discount them. Wisconsin is a tough team to play. Let's see how Ohio State fares when they go to Madison on Saturday. Staying in the Big 10, no one will want to play Purdue in March. BYU and San Diego State are also both excellent teams. Fredette is going to give BYU a chance in every game they play, no matter the opponent. SDSU plays excellent team basketball. I'm not 100% sold on Washington or Arizona yet. The PAC 10 seems to be a lot like the SEC in that no one is good enough to step up and win it. The best teams out west other than BYU and SDSU might be St. Mary's.615dawg said:
...& what I see is a team fighting for their NIT lives.
I figure MSU will have to be at least 3 games above .500 to get a NIT invite.
Around 3 games above .500 is where I see MSU finishing.
But since the SEC is so godawful bad this season, I do give MSU about a 25% chance of winning the SECT (which is literally the only way this team will make the Big Dance).
I figure MSU will have to be at least 3 games above .500 to get a NIT invite.
Around 3 games above .500 is where I see MSU finishing.
But since the SEC is so godawful bad this season, I do give MSU about a 25% chance of winning the SECT (which is literally the only way this team will make the Big Dance).