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FlabLoser

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Yeah, yeah, a win puts us at 6. We've all seen 6+ wins. We've all seen State bowl games, though not often recently.

But this is the 1st time since 1999 that we've actually looked like a bowl-worth team. Croom's bowl team was based on a fluke of pick-6's. This Mullen team is for real.

Now here's the significance...the last time MSU had a decent team, our college freshmen were in the 2nd grade. Our recruits were even younger than that. So this is virtually the 1st time that our recruits and prospects have ever seen a good MSU team.

So let's all show up for the UAB and game yell, yell like H-E-L-L. This game is freakin huge. I want to see us hang half a hundred on 'em.
 
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FlabLoser

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Yeah, yeah, a win puts us at 6. We've all seen 6+ wins. We've all seen State bowl games, though not often recently.

But this is the 1st time since 1999 that we've actually looked like a bowl-worth team. Croom's bowl team was based on a fluke of pick-6's. This Mullen team is for real.

Now here's the significance...the last time MSU had a decent team, our college freshmen were in the 2nd grade. Our recruits were even younger than that. So this is virtually the 1st time that our recruits and prospects have ever seen a good MSU team.

So let's all show up for the UAB and game yell, yell like H-E-L-L. This game is freakin huge. I want to see us hang half a hundred on 'em.
 
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FlabLoser

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Yeah, yeah, a win puts us at 6. We've all seen 6+ wins. We've all seen State bowl games, though not often recently.

But this is the 1st time since 1999 that we've actually looked like a bowl-worth team. Croom's bowl team was based on a fluke of pick-6's. This Mullen team is for real.

Now here's the significance...the last time MSU had a decent team, our college freshmen were in the 2nd grade. Our recruits were even younger than that. So this is virtually the 1st time that our recruits and prospects have ever seen a good MSU team.

So let's all show up for the UAB and game yell, yell like H-E-L-L. This game is freakin huge. I want to see us hang half a hundred on 'em.
 
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FlabLoser said:
Croom's bowl team was based on a fluke of pick-6's. This Mullen team is for real.
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Ifthe 2007 team was a fluke - how is this team for real? We're 5-2 based off of missed FGs at Florida and two teams missing their #1 player (AJ Green, Keenum).

I personally like to think bothteams were/are for real.
 
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patdog

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Look at how many times the 2007 team got blown the <17> out and compare to 2010. Or just look on the field today and compare to the team you saw in 2007. To paraphrase someone, "If you can't see the difference between this team and the 2007 team, you're blind."</p>
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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..the Croom Derangement Syndrome is still so strong on this board, there are still people claiming his bowl was illegitimate.

I realize this is a worn out cliche' at this juncture, but you've forced my hand: "Miss. State has the dumbest fans in the universe."
 
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rugbdawg

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first drive in the 3rd quarter. I just didn't care. Even when we were "good" under Croom, we looked like dogshit. Other than the Kentucky game, every SEC game we won was a miracle of epic proportions.
 
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Yes Croom did make several mistakes, but to call his bowl season a fluke is wrong. I'm sure Titus Brown, Gabe Oneal, Anthony Dixon sure appreciate that. I am happy with Mulllen, but Croom does need credit for that last recruiting class that Mullen kept together. Every game in the Croom era expect 2008, the team played their hearts out.I dont know what happened in 08. MSU is having a very good season, dont know why Croom has to be bashed at every corner.</p>
 
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Johnson85

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Oh, and he ripped us off for somehwere north of a million dollars. And he's fat and lazy.

I guess we don't have to bash him at every corner, but we should.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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... this was MSU's first bowl game in 7 years and only the 13th in the history of the school & you turned it off in the 3rd quater because we weren't playing pretty?


Bull freakin' ****.
 
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but he's just as responsible for the winning season as he was the suckass seasons during his tenure. Spare me the "it was because of Ellis Johnson" ********, we get it. I give Croom a tremendous amount of deserved ****, but I can also give him credit, spite be damned.
 
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Just disagree with calling that team a fluke. It was a decent team. You don't just slip up & win 4 games in the SEC. Whether it takes pick 6s, returned punts, or missed FGs... a win in the SEC is a win. I agree the 2010 team is better - we've got better players in almost every position. Combine that with a better offensive plan and a great leader in Mullen, you end up with a team that can compete every week.

Ronny - not sure what Croom has to do with it. He was a trainwreck of a head coach. I'd cuss him more times in one game than I have Mullen in 1.5 years. Doesn't change the fact that the team won 8 games & went 4-4 in the SEC. With a better head coach and OC the Croom teams could've consistently won5 to6 games a year. That team won 8 games that year despite Croom and his horrible offense.
 
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patdog

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If you can't see that it's at least a little flukey that a team that actually got outscored and outgained by 500 yards for the season could somehow manage to go 8-5, I'm not sure I can help you. I'm glad we did win 8 games in 2007, but to try to claim that was a good team is just ridiculous. I'm sure if Mississippi had a similar season most of the Crxxm supporters would be all over calling that season a fluke.
 
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even though the rebs went to the Cotton Bowl last year, they weren't really all that good.. we were an ok football team and we beat them like a @###+%@ tied up goat... they won 4 gimmes and managed to go .500 in the SEC.. there's nothing really special about that yet it goes over as a rousing success.. so I guess it's all in how you look at it.. 8 wins is 8 wins
 
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patdog

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And their season was certainly no more flukey than our 2007 season was. They actually were a much better team than our 2007 team was. How many high draft picks did we have on that team? But thanks for proving my point. The fact you rail on their 2009 season and defend our 2007 season proves you're looking at this through maroon colored glasses.</p>
 
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I'm talking about giving him credit for winning. I hate doing it. I really do. Yes, the offense was putrid, but the defense was good enough to win us 8 games, and no matter what happens, it's always the head coach's ultimate responsibility. So I have to give the fat bastard credit.
 
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It's some of the dumbest **** there is. And the guys that keep it going need to get their heads up from down below. To delegitimize our only winning season of the decade and one of our best ever bowl game performances is . . . no word for it that won't need some adjectives. So leave it.

You're not only attacking Croom; you're also attacking the players who worked their asses off for it. I don't get it.
 
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FlabLoser

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drunkernhelldawg said:
It's some of the dumbest **** there is. And the guys that keep it going need to get their heads up from down below. To delegitimize our only winning season of the decade and <span style="font-weight: bold;">one of our best ever bowl game performances</span> is . . . no word for it that won't need some adjectives. So leave it.
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(blank stare)
 
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patdog

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It's definitely in the top 7 bowl games we've ever played. Probably at #7.</p>
 
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FlabLoser

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Compare Ole Miss's back-to-back Cotton Bowl teams. The 1st one that beat #4 ranked Texas Tech was a damn good team. The 2nd one kind of backed their way into the Cotton Bowl and they were probably not any better than we are right now.

My point is that appearing in a bowl game and having x number of wins doesn't tell you a hell of a lot about how good a team is. Clearly in Ole Miss's case, there was a huge difference between their two Cotton Bowl teams.
 
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BehrDawg

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Best ever bowl performances????? Are you 17ing mental!? Dude, what sheep are you 17ing???

Pure delusional idiocracy.
 
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o_1984Dawg

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That's what the team was and that's what we got. That team probably should've been 6-6 instead of 7-5 but we still would've been bowl eligible. Give the credit to Croom or to Ellis Johnson, I don't care, but they were a decent team and legitimately a bowl team.

The funniest part to me is that so many of you waited until the 2008 season to decide that the 2007 team wasn't any good.
 
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Johnson85

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Center Z said:
I'm talking about giving him credit for winning. I hate doing it. I really do. Yes, the offense was putrid, but the defense was good enough to win us 8 games, and no matter what happens, it's always the head coach's ultimate responsibility. So I have to give the fat bastard credit.
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You don't say, damn, look at what he diddespite the anchor? Croom deserves credit for convincing EJ, an otherwiseintelligent seeming coach, tocome work for him. That's about the start and end of everything you can credit him for.
 
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there were a lot of people who saw the 2008 debacle coming a mile away. The 2007 team was smoke and mirrors. The defense was very good, but the offense was as putrid as ever. The stars aligned and we got several defensive scores at opportune times which helped us win some games we wouldn't have won otherwise.

The team (and yes, even Crooms) gets credit for that year, but not many people were shocked when we returned right back to suckitude the next year.
 
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o_1984Dawg

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BEFORE the most important part of the 07 team left for South Carolina? Or maybe having a good DC was just a fluke too.
 
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I knew that 2007 was a fluke, I had long since abandoned any confidence that Croom would ever give us an offense. There was simply never any sign of improvement. For his entire tenure, I believe our offense was ranked in the bottom 20% of Division 1-A. You show me a team that does that consistently, and I will show you a team that is lucky to make a bowl game.

That understanding of what we had on our hands was why I went to great pains to attend the Liberty Bowl... because I knew we couldn't take it for granted that we'd be back anytime soon.
 
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BehrDawg

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I sure as hell saw it. Anyone who is not 17ing the shephard in the *** aka. sweatshirt boy, could see this was a complete fluke. That should be OBVIOUS after losing the season opener to La Tech in 2008.

Seriously guys, if you believe 2007 wasn't a flukethen you need to check your foosball knowledge. Even Bobby Boucher could have figured tha-tha-that out. You ever wonder why EJ hauled *** at the first chance he got?
 
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The one season we need to lose every game we can, we fluke it up. No doubt it was a fluke. We were naming potential replacements before that season started and there was not one legitimate win that whole year that I can remember. But it all worked out.
 
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patdog said:
If you can't see that it's at least a little flukey that a team that actually got outscored and outgained by 500 yards for the season could somehow manage to go 8-5, I'm not sure I can help you. I'm glad we did win 8 games in 2007, but to try to claim that was a good team is just ridiculous. I'm sure if Mississippi had a similar season most of the Crxxm supporters would be all over calling that season a fluke.
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was because of the 45-0 loss to LSU, where State threw what was it? 6 picks agianst LSU. Of course, Henig wasn't our QB for most of that year after he broke his collarbone again. They may have been outscored and outgained, but there was definately an outlier. That team was only outscored by 20-30 points on the year. They also had a 38-13 loss to West Virginia.

Whether our current team is as good/better or whatever than that team is up for debate until the year is over.

I will say that one difference so far is that Dan has always has our present team prepared and has had a good gameplan than the 07 team. I think that really only suggests that Dan is a better coach than Croom, and that's not Earth-shattering.


I've seen people call 07 a fluke because of all of the pick-6's and what not. People act like those plays somehow don't count, and that's ridiculous. Those plays happen for a reason- because of something that we did well defensively or on special teams. That's not any different really than a guy scoring a long TD on offense where someone on the other team falls down or is out of position.

Was the 07 team a good team? I think that's totally a matter of how you define good. They went 4-4 in the SEC, and 3-1 non-conference with that one loss being to a very good West Virginia team on the road. They also beat the C-USA champion in a bowl. They beat UK on the road, which was an 8 win team that beat Florida State in the Music City Bowl, and also beat LSU the National Champs. They beat an Auburn team on the road that finished 14th in the coaches poll and 15th in the AP and won the Peach Bowl. They beat an Alabama team that won the Independence Bowl.

They lost to LSU- the National Champion, West Virgnia- the Big East co-champ that finished 6th in the country, a Tennessee team that finished 12th in the country with 10 wins, an Arkansas team that won 8 games and won the Cotton Bowl, and a 6-6 South Carolina team on the road.

Personally, I would say that they were a good team. Not a great team. I would say that the 1999 and 1980 teams were great for reference.
 
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I fully admitted to drinking the Sixpack kool-aid in July and changing my prediction- but La Tech took care of all that rather quickly


**edited to add**- thats also why I dont make preseason predictions in the team threads anymore...learned my lesson- stick with my original instinct
 
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