Yeah, we need recruiting to pick up and player development to occur. Not sure we are getting the best out of our athletes yet.
Double Standards
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Well, Frost would likely be taking over a team with a losing record for 2 of the last 3 years. Riley inherited a team that had won 9-10 games for 7 straight years. I think the program is in much worse shape now than it was 2 1/2 seasons ago.
Another factor is Frost's experience level. Riley has been a coach forever, this was supposed to be turn-key, I think the ability to win at Nebraska was taken for granted, and Riley's abilities were overlooked. Frost will be responsible for coming in and undoing all the harm Riley did. This could take more than a couple years.
My expectation is the next guy will come in and win 9 right away and build from there.
Umm, the program is in the worst place it's been in my lifetime. I would not say he left it in a better place.
players stock would have been much higher in the old offense & defense.. when you put players in a role they are not designed to fit, and fail at, then of course no one is going to use a draft option on them.. and that is exactly what happened.. a bunch of free agency tryouts.
I think you're way underestimating what Mike Riley walked in to. And with the news of Nate Gerry flunking out, and Tommy immediately taking to Twitter following the Eichorst firing, it amazes me that people just look right past that as if everything was fine.
Bo Pelini screwed this program over. IMO, Riley didn't put his foot up players asses and that's on him for making that decision. But how anyone turns a blind eye with so many facts out there is absolutely disgusting. But, not surprising.
Are you 2 years old?
I'm not saying everything was fine under Bo. He at least made the players go to class. In fact, Nate flunking out happened under Mike Riley, not Bo. There were always problems with the administration, but to act like we had no players then is silly. I don't think we have upgraded or downgraded.. it's about the same. People just want to blame the last head coach for everything.
Andy Janovich laughs at that. Without Riley, Janovich isn't drafted. The NFL is all about talent, not scheme someone played in in college.
Cethan Carter? Maybe.
Jordan Westerkamp? Maybe, injuries and slow.
Josh Banderas? Maybe, doubtful.
Kevin Maurice? Ummm, no.
Ross Dzuris? Ummm, no.
Charles Jackson? Ummm, no.
Sam Cotton? Ummm, no.
Trey Foster? Ummm, no.
Dylan Utter? Ummm, no.
Cory Whitaker? Ummm, no.
Rose-Ivey? Ummm, no.
Terrell Newby? Ummm, no.
Alonzo Moore? Ummm, no.
Tommy Armstrong? Ummm, no.
Ryker Fyfe? Ummm, no.
Sam Foltz, RIP, was then only sure fire bet of getting drafted in 2017. Nobody else, regardless who was coach.
You'll never find a post of mine saying that. What I've said from day one is, our talent level had dropped from 2008 to 2014. If you care to discuss what I've actually said, then I'm interested in furthering discussion. If not, carry on with someone else...
I don't blame Pelini for everything, but I do blame him for an extremely toxic program.
Yes I do truly believe that. otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. Bo was a lazy recruiter at best.
BTW, I totally agree with you. Do you remember how many drug tests RG actually failed?
Yes, because it kept happening to Bo after years 5, 6 and 7. No one was bitching about Bo and his "1-2 blowout losses per year" in his first 4 season as HC.
The depth Bo left was complete garbage. Look what we had last year for OL, DL and QB depth. 1st string for Riley his first year was fine, but not much help behind those starters.
His own players who are redshirt freshman / true sophomores. Okay...
Pelini relied heavily on jucos, and he hasn't had the chance to recruit jucos the last few years. Most of the best players Pelini had were jucos who went on to the NFL. Riley chose not to recruit jucos and is taking the slow route. Maybe it will prove to be beneficial in the long run or maybe it will prove to be his undoing.
Funny! Okay I will explain what I wrote in in basic terms so you will understand. No arguing Chip had a far better record than Bo. As far as dealing with the university, former players, the press, fans, etc., Chip has the temperament much like Bo. Oregon was recruiting better than Bo too, but I am betting his assistants did most of the work. Chip liked to hole himself up in a film room. I have a co-worker who was the Ducks starting punter during Mike Bellotti's last two years as head coach when Chip came as OC. He doesn't like him.
Yeah, keep Riley so the Huskers can lose to Akron or maybe Troy next year. You know Mike lost to TWO FCS schools, Sacramento State and Eastern Washington when he was at Corvallis.
You said you were in favor of giving coaches a chance and supporting them. Many people have said that coaches deserve 4 or 5 years. Yes there probably is a double standard and Frost is going to get more time with similar results. But you're in favor of giving the coaches more time anyway, so wouldn't hiring Frost be a good thing?
You said in another thread that you're not in control of the decisions, so there's no point in not supporting the coaches. Once again, you're not the one making decisions, and the most likely scenario is going to be Riley gets let go and Frost is hired. So why are you trying to fight it? Just accept it because that's the reality right now.
That's what is so confusing about the Riley hire in the first place. I think Riley's a decent coach. He was setup to fail the moment he was hired. Eichorst hired a guy who runs a completely different offense, he knew there were holes in the roster but didn't hire a guy who believed in juco recruiting. There were supposedly discipline problems and the players had a us vs them mentality from Pelini, yet he hires a coach that's soft on discipline and has a passive personality to try to correct that mentality? It was supposedly going to take years to correct the Pelini mistakes, yet he hires a slightly above average 60+ year old coach? What the he'll was Eichorst thinking?
So....how did NU lose some of those seven games? Surely it could not have been any head scratching coaching decisions. I want Riley to succeed still, but let's not use revisionist history and act like MR has done a stellar job of coaching. Part of the criticism thrown his way is definitely waranted.
In his second season, 63-3 and 40-10 to end the regular season.
This team this season has not exactly set the world on fire to start this season, either.
And oh yeah, NU is 4-6 in their last ten. I am sorry, but this post full of excuses is just as bad as those calling for Riley's head after one season.
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Historically, it's always been between 1-4 guys that get taken in the draft.
Still, look at the recruiting class rankings and compare them between the two head coaches.
There is no doubt Riley has put more effort into recruiting, but we haven't seen a big upgrade. His highest class is 20th. I feel confident in saying they don't have any better players and Bo didn't leave things dry. The players just didn't fit his scheme. Riley isn't any better with the self imposed scholarship utilization penalty either.
In fact, for all the hoopla.. the ROI for the amount of time they have put in has been very bad. They barely move the needle. Maybe recruiting from your car was a better strategy after all. The scoreboard sure backs that up.
Maybe, or maybe he was better at time management which allowed him to actually develop players and do some real coaching. Seems our current staff does neither, but they aren't getting a lot of value for their time spent in today's #51 recruiting ranking either.
110% false. @c2o the above is #fakenews. It's hard to take someone like you serious when you're so wrong about stuff.
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Last time I checked, we aren't in Corvallis and also, when I look at the field and the youth I see, in addition to the talent that is coming in... I'll wait until the season plays out, but Riley should also be allowed 4-5 years. What are you going to say when your savior Scott Frost isn't cutting it fully in year 3?
Oh jesus. In words I understand huh? I have way more Oregon contacts than you, and everyone of them would take Chip back in a heartbeat. Part of being a successful coach is hiring assistants. What happened when he left. I'll hang up and listen. It'll probably be silent since you have no idea what you are talking about.
Last I checked, recruits haven't signed on the line. This class will be a big time class if Mike Riley is retained, if not the class is probably going to be worse than that 51 number for years to come.
if Riley is retained the ultimate W-L is going to play a large role in the quality of this class. We were in on a lot of high profile prospects prior to the season. I predict the final class would be a lot different at 8-4 vs 5-7.
The Riley supporters will claim you can't fire the AD and put your coach on the hot seat and expect to recruit.
Others will argue that high profile recruits aren't going to play for a .500 program and it was ultimately the poor play that led to less than expected recruiting results
True. But why not just say the #'s are what the #'s are. Around Husker the nation before the Riley era the consensus seemed to be we needed to be top 15 year in and year out to compete. We haven't sniffed that number in a while.
Here comes the...but, but, but you don't understand...Riley and staff are great recruiters...
Game day experience! (Not when the fans are booing the putrid play on the field.)
Parents love Riley! (I know a lot of moms might like the "awe shucks" attitude but many dads want some fire in the belly.)
Long term connections! (True...he has some. But how about someone who has had to recruit all over the country. I don't know...maybe Scott Frost.)
He is super organized! (OK...he's great b/c of organization.)
In the meantime MU, OSU, and PSU get further and further and further ahead.
You could be right, but I disagree. I think most of the kids Riley is in on right now don't really care about the W-L at this point. In some aspects it might make it even more enticing to come because they could play right away. I will agree that W-L normally plays a huge role, but most of the kids now are committed because of the relationship they have with Mike and Dee and the position coaches.
I am not a Mike Riley apologist by any means. The guy needs to win and also make some tough decisions again on some assistants, but I am also not blind to the fact this class has big time game changers, and I think you will see some more jump on board before it is over. Wisconsin could set up to be a huge game for recruiting.
Completely agree. The best case scenario would be we have a very good BIG season and build momentum for recruiting and next season WITH Riley. I am less inclined to stay the course with a losing record but both sides have valid arguments.
You are so right. I don’t know why more people don’t listen to you.
Have you thrown your name in the hat yet? Either AD or HC, you would get my vote.
Yep. As the L's add up in ugly fashion it makes it harder and harder to stay positive. In the good news department I think we get through Illinois, and it sets up a pivotal game in so many different areas against Wisconsin. Recruiting, the fate of the coaches, and building momentum to close out the season could all get a monster boost with a night game win. Ohio State and Penn State still loom, but that could get some juice back.
Never said you did, I said your comment is a Pelini apologist comment from 2013 or 2014.
Serious question. What ranking would you consider big time? Top 10? Top 15? Top 20?
Are you serious with this post? Someone who has to recruit all over the country? Have you seen our roster, or know much about Riley at OSU? He had to leave the west coast a lot. He mined Texas quite a bit.
Fire in the belly? Show me some place where the dads of our current recruits even talk anything about that.
It's fine if you just want Frost, and think he is a good coach, but this stuff is comical.
I consider some of the names the bigger time. We are obviously going to get some lower recruits but Top 20 should be the goal, and will happen. Bookie, Josh Moore, Chase Williams, and others are absolute game changers. If we added Parsons, or some others.. This class is going to be very highly rated. I don't think Nebraska will be consistently TOp 10 ever in recruiting with any coach, but Top 15 or around there is doable, and shouldn't be outside the Top 20. But looking at recruiting rankings before we have some of our biggest events is stupid.
Agree with your last sentence. We do need to be top 15 consistently to compete well.
Who is fighting it? I am simply pointing out that there will be a double standard because these guys are Nebraska guys. Do you think there is any coincidence to the fact that Tim Miles, hired by Tom Osborne, still has a job even though his record is considerably worse than Doc Sadler? Had Eichorst hired Miles the public demand to fire him would be greater, NCAA tournament appearance or not. Darin Erstad is seen as "making progress", why, Tom Osborne hire and Nebraska guy. In 5 years, he has 2 NCAA appearances and 1 NCAA win. Mike Anderson is viewed as a poor coach even though he is 12-10 in the NCAA tournament. Everyone says well Rob Childress was the real reason for the success, but Childress was gone after 3 years and Anderson went to 3 more NCAA tournaments after Childress left. Double standard.
As far as Frost goes, people ignore facts that don't support their viewpoint. Philip Montgomery at Tulsa took over a 2-10 team and went 6-7 the next year and made it to a bowl in year one and 10-3 last year, in that same conference that UCF is in. But on this board, Frost is the savior and Montgomery is an unkown. If Montgomery was the brought up as a candidate he would be universally dismissed. Why? Simple, he isn't a Nebraska guy.