DOWN GOES ANTIFA

[atlkvb]

It’s not even legal to name them a terr... you know what, it doesn’t matter. There are no leaders or central organization for this, it’s a play to the base and a power grab to increase surveillance. What constitutes an antifa member? A white dude in a bandana? Can you send someone into a peaceful group to start trouble and then arrest everyone? Do we understand how dangerous this is? Don’t cheer for losses of liberties because it restricts (for now) people you don’t agree with.

We’ve already seen videos of cops starting riots of their own as well as undercover cops dressing up as antifa. Are they just infiltrating? Or are they helping this go on so we could get where we are here?

This isn’t even touching the subject of who the real terrorists are, right wing white nationals. Responsible for almost 75% of all US terror deaths the last decade.

The simple solution to the problem is for them to either protest peacefully (without destroying other people's personal property), or just go home and then go vote if they don't like the way things are being run. The only things that will ultimately happen to them now is:

• they will get arrested for spreading domestic violence
• they will get their heads bashed open for destroying personal private property
• they will get shot and force their Family members if they have any to plan their funeral services

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[302eer]

The simple solution to the problem is for them to either protest peacefully (without destroying other people's personal property), or just go home and then go vote if they don't like the way things are being run. The only things that will ultimately happen to them now is:

• they will get arrested for spreading domestic violence
• they will get their heads bashed open for destroying personal private property
• they will get shot and force their Family members if they have any to plan their funeral services

If we’re shifting to talking about this as a whole, I just can’t agree. Black people have been trying to tell us for years that they’re treated differently by police, and now we have videos of their murders where cops get let off the hook time and time again.

What have their peaceful protests gotten them? The President telling us to “get that SOB off the field” when Kap was silently kneeling? The Vice President setting up a fake walkout wasting taxpayer money in the process? I bet we all still know people who won’t watch the NFL because a handful of people were peacefully protesting.
Why? Because they were forced to see it for a few minutes.

Most people want them to protest where it can’t be seen and they can go away after a few days. Maybe see a picture on the news, at best say good for them, and go back to their daily lives. What are minorities as a whole supposed to do when you’re treated like second class citizens, and anytime you do something about it it’s ignored or white people lose their minds? Kneeling at NFL games is probably the most peaceful widely-seen protest I can imagine and it led to about a six month meltdown.

I mean for crying out loud. The KKK isn’t even a domestic terrorist organization, but antifa? It’s not even an organization!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

It’s not even legal to name them a terr... you know what, it doesn’t matter. There are no leaders or central organization for this, it’s a play to the base and a power grab to increase surveillance. What constitutes an antifa member? A white dude in a bandana? Can you send someone into a peaceful group to start trouble and then arrest everyone? Do we understand how dangerous this is? Don’t cheer for losses of liberties because it restricts (for now) people you don’t agree with.

We’ve already seen videos of cops starting riots of their own as well as undercover cops dressing up as antifa. Are they just infiltrating? Or are they helping this go on so we could get where we are here?

This isn’t even touching the subject of who the real terrorists are, right wing white nationals. Responsible for almost 75% of all US terror deaths the last decade.

This post is hilarious.

 

[atlkvb]

If we’re shifting to talking about this as a whole, I just can’t agree. Black people have been trying to tell us for years that they’re treated differently by police, and now we have videos of their murders where cops get let off the hook time and time again.

What have their peaceful protests gotten them? The President telling us to “get that SOB off the field” when Kap was silently kneeling? The Vice President setting up a fake walkout wasting taxpayer money in the process? I bet we all still know people who won’t watch the NFL because a handful of people were peacefully protesting.
Why? Because they were forced to see it for a few minutes.

Most people want them to protest where it can’t be seen and they can go away after a few days. Maybe see a picture on the news, at best say good for them, and go back to their daily lives. What are minorities as a whole supposed to do when you’re treated like second class citizens, and anytime you do something about it it’s ignored or white people lose their minds? Kneeling at NFL games is probably the most peaceful widely-seen protest I can imagine and it led to about a six month meltdown.

I mean for crying out loud. The KKK isn’t even a domestic terrorist organization, but antifa? It’s not even an organization!

Dr. Martin Luther King is proof you are mistaken about "peaceful" protesting. Bottom line: You have the right to protest, no one has to actually listen to you. You do NOT however have the right to smash and burn and steal, and no is going to tolerate you if you do, no matter what you're "protesting".

 

[atlkvb]

If we’re shifting to talking about this as a whole, I just can’t agree. Black people have been trying to tell us for years that they’re treated differently by police, and now we have videos of their murders where cops get let off the hook time and time again.

You could not be more wrong. Those cops in Minnesota lost their jobs because of what they were seen on video doing. Just here in Atlanta last night, the Mayor fired two cops for using "excessive force". Do things happen that no one knows about?

Yes?

If police are caught doing illegal or unconstitutional things is it summarily excused?

No.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If we’re shifting to talking about this as a whole, I just can’t agree. Black people have been trying to tell us for years that they’re treated differently by police, and now we have videos of their murders where cops get let off the hook time and time again.

What have their peaceful protests gotten them? The President telling us to “get that SOB off the field” when Kap was silently kneeling? The Vice President setting up a fake walkout wasting taxpayer money in the process? I bet we all still know people who won’t watch the NFL because a handful of people were peacefully protesting.
Why? Because they were forced to see it for a few minutes.

Most people want them to protest where it can’t be seen and they can go away after a few days. Maybe see a picture on the news, at best say good for them, and go back to their daily lives. What are minorities as a whole supposed to do when you’re treated like second class citizens, and anytime you do something about it it’s ignored or white people lose their minds? Kneeling at NFL games is probably the most peaceful widely-seen protest I can imagine and it led to about a six month meltdown.

I mean for crying out loud. The KKK isn’t even a domestic terrorist organization, but antifa? It’s not even an organization!

If you’re seriously trying to rationalize this behavior as something society had coming, then I question your sobriety and sanity. Use the courts. We all have equal protection under the law. This is lawlessness and if they’re trying to change hearts and minds to be sympathetic, this is having an opposite effect. As to your NFL example, choosing the National Anthem and flag to disrespect also had the opposite effect. They took something sacred to me that I’d buried friends for and metaphorically took a giant **** on. It brought awareness but the divisiveness alienated a large segment who, like me, may have otherwise been sympathetic.

 

[302eer]

Dr. Martin Luther King is proof you are mistaken about "peaceful" protesting. Bottom line: You have the right to protest, no one has to actually listen to you. You do NOT however have the right to smash and burn and steal, and no is going to tolerate you if you do, no matter what you're "protesting".

I never said they have the right to, I said I understand it. They’re not protesting building on wetlands or something, they’re being murdered for being black and no one cares. This case specifically is more cops having power trips, but it’s a build up of decades here and they’re tired of it. Specially when the guy was t even arrested for however many days after.

 

[wvu2007]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I never said they have the right to, I said I understand it. They’re not protesting building on wetlands or something, they’re being murdered for being black and no one cares. This case specifically is more cops having power trips, but it’s a build up of decades here and they’re tired of it. Specially when the guy was t even arrested for however many days after.

It’s called an investigation. They’re murdering each other and they don’t care either.

 

[atlkvb]

I never said they have the right to, I said I understand it. They’re not protesting building on wetlands or something, they’re being murdered for being black and no one cares. This case specifically is more cops having power trips, but it’s a build up of decades here and they’re tired of it. Specially when the guy was t even arrested for however many days after.

No one defends the poor procedures of those cops, and if folks would simply allow authorities to investigate and prosecute I believe justice will be administered. You're suggesting no one does anything about these types of incidents once discovered and that's what I'm pushing back against. I understand the anger and frustration of similar incidents you claim nothing was ever done and that's a legitimate point. I don't understand however the rioting, stealing, looting, burning, and destruction of innocent people's private businesses. What did they have to do with any of it?

 

[302eer]

If you’re seriously trying to rationalize this behavior as something society had coming, then I question your sobriety and sanity. Use the courts. We all have equal protection under the law. This is lawlessness and if they’re trying to change hearts and minds to be sympathetic, this is having an opposite effect. As to your NFL example, choosing the National Anthem and flag to disrespect also had the opposite effect. They took something sacred to me that I’d buried friends for and metaphorically took a giant **** on. It brought awareness but the divisiveness alienated a large segment who, like me, may have otherwise been sympathetic.

I’m not going to say this isn’t insanely out of hand and the looters/rioters shouldn’t be arrested. That would be nonsense. I’m also not going to say your specific feelings about the NFL protests are wrong. I have different ones about it and that’s fine. I just don’t see any way possible that as many people would have been exposed to the message if there wasn’t some sort of controversial act. People generally do not care, and peaceful protests have gotten nowhere.

 

[bornaneer]

Just watched the Dept. of Safety person in Minneapolis,an African-American, tell us at the Govs press conference that they have found caches of gasoline and other flammables all over the city that were placed there for future use. He also said they were placed there by people driving stolen cars that has the license plates removed.

 

[atlkvb]

I’m not going to say this isn’t insanely out of hand and the looters/rioters shouldn’t be arrested. That would be nonsense. I’m also not going to say your specific feelings about the NFL protests are wrong. I have different ones about it and that’s fine. I just don’t see any way possible that as many people would have been exposed to the message if there wasn’t some sort of controversial act. People generally do not care, and peaceful protests have gotten nowhere.

Again, Dr. Martin Luther King's "peaceful" protests got more done than these rioters ever will.

 

[atlkvb]

Just watched the Dept. of Safety person in Minneapolis,an African-American, tell us at the Govs press conference that they have found caches of gasoline and other flammables all over the city that were placed there for future use. He also said they were placed there by people driving stolen cars that has the license plates removed.

Unreal.

 

[302eer]

It’s called an investigation. They’re murdering each other and they don’t care either.

You seriously can’t trust police investigations into themselves. The Louisville case with the no knock raid gone wrong I think is just as bad as Minnesota. The amount of cases like this are just unfathomable. In no way are internal investigations consistently fair. Body cam footage goes missing or is blocked from going public for months. Sympathetic DAs like the one in Georgia and the Ahmad Arnett case are a dime a dozen.

 

[atlkvb]

You seriously can’t trust police investigations into themselves. The Louisville case with the no knock raid gone wrong I think is just as bad as Minnesota. The amount of cases like this are just unfathomable. In no way are internal investigations consistently fair. Body cam footage goes missing or is blocked from going public for months. Sympathetic DAs like the one in Georgia and the Ahmad Arnett case are a dime a dozen.

Then correct the investigations, and do a better job holding folks accountable. You are suggesting nothing is ever done but you are arguing against yourself pointing out problems in the investigations themselves!

Something was done, it just wasn't done correctly! We have that right now with these FISA abuses. We're investigating it. Are you as upset about that breach of our Constitutional liberties as you are about cops or prosecutors messing up their investigations?

Probably not.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[302eer]

Again, Dr. Martin Luther King's "peaceful" protests got more done than these rioters ever will.

I believe the protests were peaceful the even after first night until crowds started getting tear gassed. One of the first buildings to get busted up, the auto zone, was on video found to be by a cop. I 100% think there is everyone rioting right now, blacks, whites, antifa, white nationalists, undercover cops. Even if things had stayed peaceful, it was only a matter of time before someone started breaking stuff so people looking for a reason to tune out could. Look at us not even talking about the cause anymore.
If you look at videos out now there are ones for every possible viewpoint you can imagine. Black people beating up white shop owners, black people protecting cops and other shop owners, black people trying to stop white vandals because they don’t want to lose the cause, cops getting out of unmarked vans looking like antifa, undercovers vandalizing, crazy white dudes showing up with bows and arrows, national guard shooting at people on their own porches, the treatment of press is an utter disgrace. Everything is just wild.

 

[bornaneer]

If we’re shifting to talking about this as a whole, I just can’t agree. Black people have been trying to tell us for years that they’re treated differently by police, and now we have videos of their murders where cops get let off the hook time and time again.

What have their peaceful protests gotten them? The President telling us to “get that SOB off the field” when Kap was silently kneeling? The Vice President setting up a fake walkout wasting taxpayer money in the process? I bet we all still know people who won’t watch the NFL because a handful of people were peacefully protesting.
Why? Because they were forced to see it for a few minutes.

Most people want them to protest where it can’t be seen and they can go away after a few days. Maybe see a picture on the news, at best say good for them, and go back to their daily lives. What are minorities as a whole supposed to do when you’re treated like second class citizens, and anytime you do something about it it’s ignored or white people lose their minds? Kneeling at NFL games is probably the most peaceful widely-seen protest I can imagine and it led to about a six month meltdown.

I mean for crying out loud. The KKK isn’t even a domestic terrorist organization, but antifa? It’s not even an organization!

Laughable.....what planet have you been on.

The ******* cop is going to spend the rest of his despicable life behind bars and I hope he gets his just due there.

You must have missed Colon Kap wearing his Che,Castro shirts and Pig socks for us all to see.
Oh..BTW....Where is your and Kaps outrage over these stats ?:
Chicago May to Date
Shot & Killed: 70
Total Shot: 362

Chicago Last Week’s Totals (5/24 – 5/30)
Shot & Killed: 21
Total Shot: 109

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 211
Total Shot: 1133

 

[atlkvb]

I believe the protests were peaceful the even after first night until crowds started getting tear gassed. One of the first buildings to get busted up, the auto zone, was on video found to be by a cop. I 100% think there is everyone rioting right now, blacks, whites, antifa, white nationalists, undercover cops. Even if things had stayed peaceful, it was only a matter of time before someone started breaking stuff so people looking for a reason to tune out could. Look at us not even talking about the cause anymore.
If you look at videos out now there are ones for every possible viewpoint you can imagine. Black people beating up white shop owners, black people protecting cops and other shop owners, black people trying to stop white vandals because they don’t want to lose the cause, cops getting out of unmarked vans looking like antifa, undercovers vandalizing, crazy white dudes showing up with bows and arrows, national guard shooting at people on their own porches, the treatment of press is an utter disgrace. Everything is just wild.

Agreed. Wonder why gun sales are at record levels? Who's going to protect YOUR property when the crazies or the Zombies show up?

YOU if you're smart and know how to use a firearm.

 

[302eer]

Then correct the investigations, and do a better job holding folks accountable. You are suggesting nothing is ever done but you are arguing against yourself pointing out problems in the investigations themselves!

Something was done, it just wasn't done correctly! We have that right now with these FISA abuses. We're investigating it. Are you as upset about that breach of our Constitutional liberties as you are about cops or prosecutors messing up their investigations?

Probably not.

Of course we can all say let’s fix the investigations and hold people accountable for over 18,000 individual police precincts, but I’m not going to pretend that has any chance of happening in our lifetimes.
Do I seem like someone who trusts the government and wouldn’t be upset about FISA abuses? That’s why I even entered this threat even knowing what would happen. You cannot let the government say something like antifa is a domestic terrorism unit, when we don’t even know what antifa is. It’s an excuse to surveil basically anyone they want to with very small amount of evidence.
Where does it stop? If they try to take the guns away and me and you protest, are we domestic terrorists next? You could make that argument very easily with something as vague as this.

 

[atlkvb]

Laughable.....what planet have you been on.

The ******* cop is going to spend the rest of his despicable life behind bars and I hope he gets his just due there.

You must have missed Colon Kap wearing his Che,Castro shirts and Pig socks for us all to see.
Oh..BTW....Where is your and Kaps outrage over these stats ?:
Chicago May to Date
Shot & Killed: 70
Total Shot: 362

Chicago Last Week’s Totals (5/24 – 5/30)
Shot & Killed: 21
Total Shot: 109

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 211
Total Shot: 1133

Well stated, but that poster has an agenda. Not sure what it is, but it's not rooted in Truth or Justice.

 

[bornaneer]

I believe the protests were peaceful the even after first night until crowds started getting tear gassed.

Are you serious......NO peaceful protestors were tear gassed.

 

[atlkvb]

Of course we can all say let’s fix the investigations and hold people accountable for over 18,000 individual police precincts, but I’m not going to pretend that has any chance of happening in our lifetimes.
Do I seem like someone who trusts the government and wouldn’t be upset about FISA abuses? That’s why I even entered this threat even knowing what would happen. You cannot let the government say something like antifa is a domestic terrorism unit, when we don’t even know what antifa is. It’s an excuse to surveil basically anyone they want to with very small amount of evidence.
Where does it stop? If they try to take the guns away and me and you protest, are we domestic terrorists next? You could make that argument very easily with something as vague as this.

You're all over the place and I can't follow you. I'll just leave it at my initial post to you. No one has the right to steal, smash, and burn and I don't care how upset they are or what they're "protesting". You do that, you will suffer consequences and very few of them are good.

 

[bornaneer]

national guard shooting at people on their own porches

That's a ***** lie......proven to be false.....as most of your other ******** claims.

 

[bornaneer]

You're all over the place and I can't follow you. I'll just leave it at my initial post to you. No one has the right to steal, smash, and burn and I don't care how upset they are or what they're "protesting". You do that, you will suffer consequences and very few of them are good.

The dude is a real nutcase.......or high on something.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You seriously can’t trust police investigations into themselves.

I trust them a hell of lot more than I trust Democratic leadership.

 

[302eer]

This went about as well as I figured. Goodnight everyone.

 

[atlkvb]

I trust them a hell of lot more than I trust Democratic leadership.

Seems like he just doesn't like Cops. Hope he doesn't get robbed or his car gets jacked and he has to file a report. Who will he talk to? Antifa members?

 

[bornaneer]

Sympathetic DAs like the one in Georgia and the Ahmad Arnett case are a dime a dozen.

Sympathetic DAs? You have serious issues.

 

[atlkvb]

This went about as well as I figured. Goodnight everyone.

Lock your doors tonight before you go to bed, you might have to call the Police for help if someone breaks in on you.

 

[bornaneer]

This went about as well as I figured. Goodnight everyone.

Here.... ponder these numbers before you go to sleep.
Chicago May to Date
Shot & Killed: 70
Total Shot: 362

Chicago Last Week’s Totals (5/24 – 5/30)
Shot & Killed: 21
Total Shot: 109

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 211
Total Shot: 1133

 

[atlkvb]

Here.... ponder these numbers before you go to sleep.
Chicago May to Date
Shot & Killed: 70
Total Shot: 362

Chicago Last Week’s Totals (5/24 – 5/30)
Shot & Killed: 21
Total Shot: 109

Chicago Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 211
Total Shot: 1133

He doesn't care. It's just all about blaming racist cops, and the country that protects them. You couldn't pay those protesting Negroes to go live anywhere else it's better for us than as good as it is right here in America.

100% fact.

 

[302eer]

Sympathetic DAs? You have serious issues.

By the content of your posts it seems like facts went out the window for you a long time ago, but here’s one last shot. Anyone who usually whips out Chicago murder stats at the drop of a hat usually doesn’t have all their beans counted if you catch my drift.
I bet Foxnews didn’t cover much of this one.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-attorney-general-district-attorney-investigation-ahmaud-arbery/

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You cannot let the government say something like antifa is a domestic terrorism unit, when we don’t even know what antifa is.

We actually know quite a bit about Antifa. The might be new to you, but we’ve been on to them since Trump was first elected and they became active.

 

[302eer]

He doesn't care. It's just all about blaming racist cops, and the country that protects them. You couldn't pay those protesting Negroes to go live anywhere else it's better for them than as good as it is right here in America.

100% fact.

Ah, there it is. Just like the NFL (for most) was never about the flag, this isn’t about the protests. Got it.

 

[atlkvb]

Ah, there it is. Just like the NFL (for most) was never about the flag, this isn’t about the protests. Got it.

My Man check yourself. If you're really concerned about the plight of my Black Brothers and Sisters and how we're being mistreated why aren't you protesting the fact we can't send our kids to the schools of our choice with school vouchers? Isn't that a better solution to the random police violence? A whole army of well educated Black men and Women smart enough to avoid confrontations with racist cops?

Why don't you support that?

 

[302eer]

We actually know quite a bit about Antifa. The might be new to you, but we’ve been on to them since Trump was first elected and they became active.

We know they exist and are dangerous, but who are “they”? There is no structured system to go after. They were just a bunch of pissed off people trying to shut up nazis and it turned into a bunch of bored white kids looking for reasons to break stuff. Is this really a terrorist organization and the KKK isn’t?

 

[dave]

It’s not even legal to name them a terr... you know what, it doesn’t matter. There are no leaders or central organization for this, it’s a play to the base and a power grab to increase surveillance. What constitutes an antifa member? A white dude in a bandana? Can you send someone into a peaceful group to start trouble and then arrest everyone? Do we understand how dangerous this is? Don’t cheer for losses of liberties because it restricts (for now) people you don’t agree with.

We’ve already seen videos of cops starting riots of their own as well as undercover cops dressing up as antifa. Are they just infiltrating? Or are they helping this go on so we could get where we are here?

This isn’t even touching the subject of who the real terrorists are, right wing white nationals. Responsible for almost 75% of all US terror deaths the last decade.

It is legal to label them a terror group. These riots do have centralized organization. There is plenty of evidence.