Dream starting basketball lineup next season.

[Hanmudog]

Allow me to dream:
PG-Deville Smith
SG-Dee Bost
SF-Rodney Hood
PF-Renardo Sidney
C- Arnett Moultrie

Bench: Shaun Smith,Jalen Steele, Brian Bryant,Wendell Lewis,Elgin Baily, Twany Beckham, John Riek

 

[Hanmudog]

Allow me to dream:
PG-Deville Smith
SG-Dee Bost
SF-Rodney Hood
PF-Renardo Sidney
C- Arnett Moultrie

Bench: Shaun Smith,Jalen Steele, Brian Bryant,Wendell Lewis,Elgin Baily, Twany Beckham, John Riek

 

[Coach34]

when we have Bost and Beckham on the team. Steele and Bost would start and Smith would come off the bench...and Hood would have to be bigtime to start as well with what we had returning

 

[Hanmudog]

when we have Bost and Beckham on the team. Steele and Bost would start and Smith would come off the bench...and Hood would have to be bigtime to start as well with what we had returning

You are probably right. Just going based off of some of the things I have read. He certainly would have the potential to start according to most recruiting services. Small forward is a position that I think we be thin at that is why I put Hood in there. We would probably end up going with three guards anyway.

 

[patdog]

If he's anywhere near the hype, it's a no-brainer for him to go pro. Even if he's not, I think he'd pull a Mario Austin / Jamont Gordon and go pro anyway.

 

[tenureplan]

Stans is notorious for starting letters over talent. See exibit #1 - Benock will start this year and play 20+ minutes per game.

 

[Coach34]

Stansbury will go with experience 9 times out of 10 when given a choice. Smith is supposed to be a playa, but he would be coming in on that hockey line rotation switch at the 14 minute mark

 

[ibontherun]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Stans is notorious for starting letters over talent.</span> See exibit #1 - Benock will start this year and play 20+ minutes per game.

I have to disagree on this one....i think if Hood signs...he plays....even with experience in front of him. If Hood is as gifted as everyone says he is a 1 and done type player...and won't go to a school where he won't get that opportunity. So if Hood signs, it's because he has been assured he gets to play year 1....and honestly...why shouldn't he play. I don't care if we have a 4th year junior at that spot...if he is better...he should play. That is why we are in the position we are in...struggling to sign high caliber players...because they don't consider MSU a place to come in and play immediately and why, because of a coaches hangups?? NCAA basketball has changed...and if Stans doesn't get with the program...MSU basketball will be left behind

I think Sidney does stay...especially because of the 9 game suspension. Unless he goes beserk...i mean...like 20/15 numbers every night. He will need the full year to get his hype machine back up and running full tilt before making the leap to the NBA.

 

[Hanmudog]

Stansbury will go with experience 9 times out of 10 when given a choice. Smith is supposed to be a playa, but he would be coming in on that hockey line rotation switch at the 14 minute mark

Not saying I disagree that Smith might would come off the bench but it is not true that Stansbury won't start a freshman.

 

[patdog]

Guys like Bowers, Zimmerman and Varnado were players who were't all that good as freshmens, but developed into very good college players (exploding another myth of the anti-Stans crowd).</p>

 

[patdog]

nm</p>

 

[Coach34]

A) Bost and Jamont were both prep school guys- so they were not going straight from HS to starting in the SEC

B) Those two also started because of necessity- we had something like half the team graduate when Jamont came in- and Bost and Twanny were the only PG's on the roster- how was Bost not going to start?

Had Jamont stayed- Bost wouldnt have started

 

[tenureplan]

If so, you need to check my post history. I disagree with c34 more than I agree with him regarding Stansbury, but I am not so blindly in love with him to ignore his faults.

Off the top of my head, the freshmens he has started are J-money, The Delks, Bost, and Austin. Of those, only in the case of Bost did he have another viable option to start at that position (Barry).

 

[Coach34]

did Rhodes start?

What talented scholarship center did Swat start over his Freshman year?

 

[ibontherun]

No one is taking a shot at Stans...at least I wasn't. I honestly can't remember whether or not people like Gary Ervin, the Delk twins, Charles Rhodes etc all started as freshman...i know some of them got some PT...but actually started. Of those guys I think the Delk twins were the ones to say they wanted more PT??? Im not sure...i know Ervin left b/c of playstyle Rhodes of course went on to be a great player for us.


All of those guys were highly recruited out of high school. And those aren't the only ones. I think the basketball team really missed out when Travis Outlaw and Monta Ellis made the jump straight to the NBA. That would have gotten the team a TON more exposure as a 5* destination. Which is what my statement centered on...Stans has to push our program as a factory like all these other schools because that's what the kids want now...

 

[ibontherun]

According to the roster at the time...we still had Lawrence Roberts so if I had to guess I would say no he didn't start. But it's just a guess of course...it could have been Roberts' sitout year...

 

[patdog]

Swat was on my list of players who didn't start as freshmens.</p>

 

[patdog]

nm

 

[Coach34]

when Stansbury has an option- he will almost always start the letterman over the incoming talent. This is in no way taking a shot at him or anything- it's just how he coaches

 

[tenureplan]

According to the roster at the time...we still had Lawrence Roberts so if I had to guess I would say no he didn't start. But it's just a guess of course...it could have been Roberts' sitout year...

Tell me that was a joke or sarcasm.

 

[ibontherun]

According to the roster at the time...we still had Lawrence Roberts so if I had to guess I would say no he didn't start. But it's just a guess of course...it could have been Roberts' sitout year...

Tell me that was a joke or sarcasm.

It was a joke...calm down...lol

 

[Coach34]

so Sir Charles could have started at the 4...

 

[Hanmudog]

when Stansbury has an option- he will almost always start the letterman over the incoming talent. This is in no way taking a shot at him or anything- it's just how he coaches

I could count on one hand how many freshmen we have had that were even half way ready to start in the SEC and most of those did. You can knock Stans on alot of things but I flat out don't see this one at all.

Really what freshmen have we had that should have started over the upperclassman?

 

[tenureplan]

midway through this season after Benock has started every game.</p>

 

[patdog]

I can't think of any cases where a freshman has sat while a veteran who was worse started.</p>

 

[patdog]

Just as I thought.</p>

 

[tenureplan]

and only have 4 seasons to look back at on mstateathletics, but based on their eventual college performance, richard delk over Barry/Hansborough would be one.

A lot of times, it's not just starts. Why was benock eating up Osby's minutes last year? Osby is obviously more talented.

We don't get college ready freshmen. Bost really wasn't ready his first year. He had some good games (vs Fortson). Every year there is talk about x freshman being ready to play right away. In hindsight we see that they weren't. It really just goes to show how infrequently we get players on Jamont's/Sidney's level. I dont Smith or Hood are.

 

[fishwater99]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Stans is notorious for starting letters over talent.</span> See exibit #1 - Benock will start this year and play 20+ minutes per game.

I think Sidney does stay...especially because of the 9 game suspension. Unless he goes beserk...i mean...like 20/15 numbers every night. He will need the full year to get his hype machine back up and running full tilt before making the leap to the NBA.

He will be the BEST player we have ever had to play at MSU. He should average 20 pts, 10 boards, and 5 assists per game. The Renardo Sidney Show will be fun to watch, he will play all of our "real" non-conference opponents and all the SEC games, that will be plenty of time for the NBA to scout him.

 

[patdog]

And while they were better offensive players, neither was anywhere near the defensive player Richard Delk was. So that's not really a great example.

I do agree that we just don't get nearly as many college-ready freshmen as most people think we do. Which is one reason Stans doesn't start a lot of true freshmens.

 

[Sutterkane]

What's your excuse for them starting over the Delk twins?

Even if this was true, any time we start a freshman over letters the letters seem to transfer. So either Stans sucks for letting players transfer or Stans sucks for not starting talented freshmen. You shouldn't be able to crucify him for both but I guess this is a Coach34 Stansbury thread.

All things considered I like the dream lineup

 

[Johnson85]

Not sure how many times he started, but every minute he played was a minute we could have been developing somebody that belonged in the SEC. I know Vernon Goodrich sat the bench while Piotr played. Goodrich wasn't ready to play SEC ball, but at least he had the potential and I'm a big believer that if you're going to play somebody that sucks, play somebody that's young.

But really, I don't understand why people are getting their panties in a wad. It's not a criticism of Stans to say he prefers to play upperclassmen. Most coaches do.

 

[ibontherun]

and only have 4 seasons to look back at on mstateathletics, but based on their eventual college performance, richard delk over Barry/Hansborough would be one.

A lot of times, it's not just starts. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Why was benock eating up Osby's minutes last year? Osby is obviously more talented.</span>

We don't get college ready freshmen. Bost really wasn't ready his first year. He had some good games (vs Fortson). Every year there is talk about x freshman being ready to play right away. In hindsight we see that they weren't. It really just goes to show how infrequently we get players on Jamont's/Sidney's level. I dont Smith or Hood are.

From what I have heard...the Osby's have been one of the main reasons why Hood hasn't decided yet. They are upset about the way Romero's career went at MSU.

 

[ibontherun]

nm

 

[fishwater99]

Smith is one of the best true PG's I have seen play in High School. Hood is a scoring forward and is ready for SEC play. If Stans wants Hood he better be telling him he will start as a freshmens.

 

[ibontherun]

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[fishwater99]

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Smith said he will sign where he can play as a freshman, what do you think Stans told him..

 

[Coach34]

seems like I remember the Delk twins starting to begin the season

 

[tenureplan]

They didn't start over the Delk twins. They took alot of their minutes and finished games in place of them due to free throw shooting a YMCA coach would be ashamed of, but they did not start.