Would you guys rather have a pro style or a dual threat quaterback? Me personally I'd rather have a dual threat because they can extend plays more than a pro style quaterback can. Pro style quaterbacks that have won national titles Chris Weinke Aj Mccaren(sp) Matt Leinart Sam Bradford Carson Palmer duel threat quarterbacks that have won national titles Charles Ward Turner Gill Tommie Frazier Scott Frost Vince Young Jt Barrett Deshaun Watson if anyone can think of anyone else feel free to add them
Dual threat or pro style quaterback
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Turner Gill never won a national title - thanks in no small part to the magical moving sidelines at Penn State's Beaver Stadium, and the booster club members who officiated their home games back in the day.
Turner gill didn't win a national title
Someone got confused and forgot that the primary objective going into the Orange Bowl that year was to win the national title and that kicking the PAT almost assuredly achieves this objective. Instead we got greedy and went for the style points.
Someone got confused and forgot that the primary objective going into the Orange Bowl that year was to win the national title and that kicking the PAT almost assuredly achieves this objective. Instead we got greedy and went for the style points.
This has been debated numerous times. Dual Threat meaning an athletic guy who may or may not be able to hit the broad side of a barn? Pro Style, meaning a pocket statue guy who can't move? Did I briefly cover the stereotypes?
With today's rules, I'll take whoever can throw 70% or above.
Consider this guy below who has played in seven Super Bowls now.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-really-really-bad-at-the-nfl-combine-in-2000
With today's rules, I'll take whoever can throw 70% or above.
Consider this guy below who has played in seven Super Bowls now.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-really-really-bad-at-the-nfl-combine-in-2000
I disagree id rather have a duel threat because they add another running threat to your running game
It's always better if you can do both. I will always go with a dual threat quarterback. A quarterback must be able to throw first but having a quarterback who can run is such a great threat to have. Even in the days of option football the great teams had quarterbacks who could throw the ball well.
Best Dual Threat Qb I have ever seen: Mike Vick
Super Bowl rings: 0
Best Pocket Passer Qb I have ever seen: Tom Brady
Super Bowl rings: 5
Give me a pocket passer every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
Super Bowl rings: 0
Best Pocket Passer Qb I have ever seen: Tom Brady
Super Bowl rings: 5
Give me a pocket passer every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
Dual Threat every time. Just because a QB can run, does not make him a Dual Threat. We need someone that can make the throws and make you pay with his legs... haven't had that forever.
Just any fyi Russell Wilson dual threat quaterback won a Super Bowl and plus I'm not talking about winning Super Bowls I'm talking national championships
The Huskers don't play on Sundays and we aren't competing for super bowls..... there are much better dual threat QBs than Mike Vick... Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, ect
Mike Vick at the top of his game was by far the best dual threat QB in league history. Wilson and Newton are both great but even if I replace Vick with them they have 1 super bowl between the two. I get your point about college and NFL being different, but due to the disparity in talent in FBS it's much easier to win without a qb. Alabama always dominates regardless of who the qb is. Regardless even for college I'll take pocket passer everyday and twice on Saturdays.
I've always leaned toward a dual threat because Nebraska usually didn't have the personnel to have a top-level passing game. But if Riley and crew can bring in a supporting cast that allows a pro-style QB to be great, I'm all for it. Just don't try to run an NFL offense with Tommy Armstrong or Taylor Martinez at the helm, mediocre receivers and an offensive line that can't protect the QB.
yes .. our uno threat QB bailed us out at home with some late game scrambling heroics against the worst team in the PAC12 North
Just going back to 1998, since Nebraska won its last title with a "dual threat" QB turned NFL safety.
14 pocket passers to 4 dual threat.
Dual threat - Watson, Newton, Tebow, Young.
Pocket passers - Jake Coker, Winston, McCarron (2), McElroy, Matt Flynn, Chris Leak, Matt Mauck, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey, Josh Heupel, Chris Weinke, Tee Martin.
I don't believe Bradford or Palmer ever won the national title. Also JT Barrett didn't play in the title game. cardale Jones did. So I don't count either. But I would consider Cardale more a pocket passer than a dual threat.
14 pocket passers to 4 dual threat.
Dual threat - Watson, Newton, Tebow, Young.
Pocket passers - Jake Coker, Winston, McCarron (2), McElroy, Matt Flynn, Chris Leak, Matt Mauck, Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey, Josh Heupel, Chris Weinke, Tee Martin.
I don't believe Bradford or Palmer ever won the national title. Also JT Barrett didn't play in the title game. cardale Jones did. So I don't count either. But I would consider Cardale more a pocket passer than a dual threat.
If games are played in a vacuum you are correct. If Armstrong doesn't run for the touchdown Nebraska may well lose the game. But to say that if Nebraska was playing with a pocket passer from the beginning of the game, you have no idea what the outcome of that game or any game would have been.
I think it was Jaworski that said that Brady was one of the the most mobile QBs in the league the way he can move around IN the pocket. he isnt much of a threat to scramble OUT of the pocket, but is pretty elusive inside.
Granted we had injuries on the oline pob or lee would of gotten eaten alive thanks to Armstrongs running ability he was able to avoid some of those sacks
Can run and dual threat are not the same. Florida St is a pro style offense.
Tommie Frazier and Tommy Armstrong could throw, but I wouldn't consider them a throwing QB.
If dual threat means what we have seen for the last 7 years, then I'll take a pocket passer with some escapabilty any day.
Many of those "pocket passers" could run when they needed to and generally had superior talent around them compared to the dual threat qb's. Chris Leak, Josh Heupel, Winston can all run. Cardale Jones is definitely dual threat. We're probably never going to be able to recruit the type of talent some of these teams had. Dual threat qb's can help you win even without that type of talent across the board.
If the offfensive line play don't improve it won't matter who you have back their if they don't have time to throw
I bet if you asked Nick Saban what type of QB he would rather face in the national championship game, he would say a pocket passer.
Unless that dual threat is Taylor Martinez or Tommy Armstrong. Ha ha ha. Don't kid yourself into thinking all dual threat QBs are the same.
You're crazy. Cardale Jones was 260lbs pocket passer that took advantage of his size. Very few designed runs if any.
You all are confusing athletic QB with dual threat QB. Ability to scramble (Leak/Huepel) does not equal ability to run.
Don't ask for opinions if you don't want them to be different than yours. Now it's OLine??
For me, I think at the college level, a dual threat guy is the way to go. A guy who can rely on his sheer athleticism. Remember, a pro style passing game generally takes a lot of time to develop, and the amount of time coaches can really spend with kids at the college level is pretty minimal. Maybe the west coast offense with Callahan was worse, but it seemed to me it was so complicated, that there really wasn't a lot of time for college age kids to truly pick everything up with all the shifts and what not. It's also easier to just find raw athletes than to spend 3-4 years developing a pro style guy. It can be done either way. As a fan, I prefer watching the option or spread offenses.
A "pro-style" QB with limited to no running skills can enhance your "running" game by dumping the ball off to a running back when his primary receivers are covered.
See post about pocket/ pro style offenses and QBs and the number of championships as compared to running QBs. Bunch to few.
I would LOVE to have Cam Newton or Russell Wilson as our QB! They can run and pass.
While arm power, accuracy, and pocket presence – the ability to successfully operate from within the "pocket" formed by his blockers – are still the most important quarterback virtues, the ability to elude or run past defenders creates an additional threat that allows greater flexibility in the team's passing and running game.
I would also add that there should be a third type of QB...something like "$hitty Passer" or "RB Playing QB" or "Limited Liability QB" or "Speedy QB that cannot read a Defense and Figure out where he is supposed to Pass the Damn Ball and Can't Pass it Accurately when he does Pass It" or something along the lines of "Single Threat".
Pro-style QB: Arm power, accuracy, and pocket presence - Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart
Dual Threat QB: Both a Pro-Style QB and a fast/athletic RB mixed in one - Cam Newton and Russell Wilson
RB Playing QB: Can't consistently pass the ball accurately, but is a great RB - Tommy Armstrong and Taylor Martinez
When you have a running QB that cannot pass worth a damn, the defense can load up the box to stop the run, whether it be the QB, WR, or RB that is running it.
If the pro-style QB can burn a defense with his arm and he has a good running game behind him, the defense must play honestly and be ready for the run or pass on any given down.
If the pro-style QB is awesome but there is no running game to back him up, the defense can sit back and defend the pass all day long.
While arm power, accuracy, and pocket presence – the ability to successfully operate from within the "pocket" formed by his blockers – are still the most important quarterback virtues, the ability to elude or run past defenders creates an additional threat that allows greater flexibility in the team's passing and running game.
I would also add that there should be a third type of QB...something like "$hitty Passer" or "RB Playing QB" or "Limited Liability QB" or "Speedy QB that cannot read a Defense and Figure out where he is supposed to Pass the Damn Ball and Can't Pass it Accurately when he does Pass It" or something along the lines of "Single Threat".
Pro-style QB: Arm power, accuracy, and pocket presence - Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart
Dual Threat QB: Both a Pro-Style QB and a fast/athletic RB mixed in one - Cam Newton and Russell Wilson
RB Playing QB: Can't consistently pass the ball accurately, but is a great RB - Tommy Armstrong and Taylor Martinez
When you have a running QB that cannot pass worth a damn, the defense can load up the box to stop the run, whether it be the QB, WR, or RB that is running it.
If the pro-style QB can burn a defense with his arm and he has a good running game behind him, the defense must play honestly and be ready for the run or pass on any given down.
If the pro-style QB is awesome but there is no running game to back him up, the defense can sit back and defend the pass all day long.
What does the word dual mean in the term dual-threat? Two?
What does the word threat mean in the term dual-threat? Likely to cause damage (to a defense)?
If this is true:
If you are not a threat to run the ball, you should not be called a dual-threat QB.
Shouldn't this be true:
If you are not a threat to pass the ball, you should not be called a dual-threat QB.
If those are both true, then maybe this is true:
If you are not a threat to pass the ball, you should not be called a QB. :Cool:
What does the word threat mean in the term dual-threat? Likely to cause damage (to a defense)?
If this is true:
If you are not a threat to run the ball, you should not be called a dual-threat QB.
Shouldn't this be true:
If you are not a threat to pass the ball, you should not be called a dual-threat QB.
If those are both true, then maybe this is true:
If you are not a threat to pass the ball, you should not be called a QB. :Cool:
As long as we run this offense and have Keith Williams here to bring in and develop top level wide outs.. I will take someone who can get the ball to them with space to run anyday.
This....counting Alabama QBs as national champion pro style is disingenuous
They had a great running game and defense and didn't rely on a QB.
Why is NicK Saban recruiting dual threats now...because sooner or later a defense,can shutdown a pro style QB...you can have the perfect defense call and a DT QB can ruin that defense. Pro style QB takes the sack or throws an INT.
If you don't have a mobile QB...you are not beating Bama and other great defensive teans.