Dudy Noble Mount Rushmore

[RutherfordBHayes]

Ok. The all-time team got me thinking. Let’s say we have a Mount Rushmore at Dudy Noble. There’s room for 4. Who is it?!

Do you put BOTH Clark and Palmeiro even though they’re on the same team? Mangum even though he still has a season to go? Anybody from the‘13 team? Rooker for his triple crown? Showalter for .459?

I go:
Polk, Clark, Palmeiro, Boo

 

[MSUDC11]

I agree with Polk, Clark, and Palmeiro. Not sure about number four. If Mangum breaks the SEC hits record then it might be him.

 

[gasdawg]

I would say build it next year so to as to include the mayor.

Polk, Raffy, Clark, and Mangum

 

[patdog]

Clark, Palmeiro, Boo and Rooker. 17 Ron Polk for his apathy in the 1990s and 2000s and for the way he tried to sabotage the program when he left.

 

[She Mate Me]

I'll do the pre 1970 Mt Rushmore, just because I'm old...

Willie Mitchell, Hughie Critz, Buddy Myer, Boo Ferris and Alex Grammas to grow on. Grammas was my Dad's favorite Bulldog. Smooth as silk fielder. Last I checked he was still with us in B'ham.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

Lindgren, Ross Mitchell, and Evan Mitchell. The 4th guy is silent.

 

[57stratdawg]

Going to be hard to keep the SEC’s all time leading hit leader off.

 

[GTAT]

Cohen has to be on there.

 

[HotMop]

Lee Begley

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Pollorena, Girodo, Frost, Cannizaro.

 

[patdog]

Cohen has to be on there.

You could definitely make a strong argument for him. Great player from the tail end of the glory years. Then he rebuilt the program from ashes after Polk destroyed it and assembled and coached the best team in MSU history.

 

[thekimmer]

Ok. The all-time team got me thinking. Let’s say we have a Mount Rushmore at Dudy Noble. There’s room for 4. Who is it?!

Do you put BOTH Clark and Palmeiro even though they’re on the same team? Mangum even though he still has a season to go? Anybody from the‘13 team? Rooker for his triple crown? Showalter for .459?

I go:
Polk, Clark, Palmeiro, Boo

The question is, would both be on it if they were NEVER on the same team? Maybe, because certainly they both would still be great players but the fact that their careers completely overlapped makes their individual legacies far, far, greater than they would have been otherwise.

 

[patdog]

They would still be the best 2 players to ever play for MSU no matter when either of them played. Their stats are off the charts. And they're the 2 most successful MLB players we've ever produced as well.

Palmeiro:

Year	Team	League	Lvl	Org	Unif	Pos	Age	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	DP	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	XBH	PA	babip	ISO	SecA	wOBA	BB%	SO%	K-BB	HR%	AB/HR	XBH%
1983	Mississippi State	College		Fr	-	1b	18	57	234	69	95	18	3	18	78	12	3	33	11	0	0	0	0	0	.406	.479	.739	1.218	173	39	267	.376	.333	.513	.526	12.36	4.12	0.33	6.74	13.00	41.05
1984	Mississippi State Univers	SEC	NCAA-1			1b	19	61	236	87	98	18	3	29	94	8	0	35	10	0	0	0	0	0	.415	.491	.886	1.377	209	50	271	.350	.471	.653	.585	12.92	3.69	0.29	10.70	8.14	51.02
1985	Mississippi State Univers	SEC	NCAA-1			1b	20	65	250	68	75	13	0	20	67	4	1	34	25	0	0	0	0	0	.300	.384	.592	.976	148	33	284	.268	.292	.440	.425	11.97	8.80	0.74	7.04	12.50	44.00

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Clark:

Year	Team	League	Lvl	Org	Unif	Pos	Age	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	DP	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	XBH	PA	babip	ISO	SecA	wOBA	BB%	SO%	K-BB	HR%	AB/HR	XBH%
1983	Mississippi State	College		Fr		1b	19	49	95	31	32	3	2	8	29	3	2	11	19	0	0	0	0	0	.337	.406	.663	1.069	63	13	106	.353	.326	.453	.463	10.38	17.92	1.73	7.55	11.88	40.63
1984	Mississippi State Univers	SEC	NCAA-1			1b	20	61	215	64	83	8	2	28	93	7	6	57	31	0	0	0	0	0	.386	.515	.833	1.348	179	38	272	.353	.447	.716	.569	20.96	11.40	0.54	10.29	7.68	45.78
1985	Mississippi State Univers	SEC	NCAA-1			1b	21	65	224	75	94	20	1	25	77	4	0	58	42	0	0	0	0	0	.420	.539	.853	1.392	191	46	282	.439	.433	.710	.582	20.57	14.89	0.72	8.87	8.96	48.94

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[GTAT]

You could definitely make a strong argument for him. Great player from the tail end of the glory years. Then he rebuilt the program from ashes after Polk destroyed it and assembled and coached the best team in MSU history.

Don't go too far. 2013 finished 1 spot better, but that 1985 team is probably the overall best college baseball team ever. I'd put them up against anyone in a 3 game series.

If the Lemonis hire ends up being a great one, Cohen's would cement himself on the Mt. Rushmore.

 

[MSUDC11]

You could definitely make a strong argument for him. Great player from the tail end of the glory years. Then he rebuilt the program from ashes after Polk destroyed it and assembled and coached the best team in MSU history.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who still appreciates how good that 2016 team was. Still can’t believe that team didn’t get to Omaha. Freaking Bobby Dalbec.

ETA: you may have been referring to 2013, I now realize that. Also a great team.

 

[GTAT]

The question is, would both be on it if they were NEVER on the same team? Maybe, because certainly they both would still be great players but the fact that their careers completely overlapped makes their individual legacies far, far, greater than they would have been otherwise.

I guess you didn't happen to catch their MAJOR LEAGUE careers either, while on separate teams. Idiot.

 

[GTAT]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who still appreciates how good that 2016 team was. Still can’t believe that team didn’t get to Omaha. Freaking Bobby Dalbec.

That team had some weaknesses, physically and mentally. But still very good and yes, national championship talent for sure.

 

[patdog]

1985 team had more top line stars, but 2013 had a lot more depth to it. It's close either way, but ultimately the 2013 team got closer to the prize than any team we've ever had.

ETA: Agree that the 85 team might win a best of 3 series. But the 2013 team would win a best of 5 series.

 

[thekimmer]

You could definitely make a strong argument for him. Great player from the tail end of the glory years. Then he rebuilt the program from ashes after Polk destroyed it and assembled and coached the best team in MSU history.

Also, unlike his immediate predecessor, he actually is the athletic director. Oh wait...maybe the jury is still out on the value of that part of the legacy. With that said, how about one Clark Randolph 'Dudy' Noble himself?

 

[MSUDC11]

That team had some weaknesses, physically and mentally. But still very good and yes, national championship talent for sure.

Arguably the best lineup 1-8 we’ve ever had. Mangum, Kruger, Lowe, Collins, Robson, Rooker, Humphreys, Gridley. We were loaded. And great starting pitching too between Hudson, Sexton, Pilk, and late season Zac Houston. Solid bullpen as well.

 

[thekimmer]

I guess you didn't happen to catch their MAJOR LEAGUE careers either, while on separate teams. Idiot.

Hey dumbass. Go back and read my post and tell me where I made a point that both did not deserve to be there. Simply made the point that there legacies were enhanced by each other's which is a true statement and not a cut on either player.

 

[8dog]

Fun fact: duplantis is only 7 hits behind mangum so it could come down to the postseason and who goes further

 

[GTAT]

1985 team had more top line stars, but 2013 had a lot more depth to it. It's close either way, but ultimately the 2013 team got closer to the prize than any team we've ever had.

ETA: Agree that the 85 team might win a best of 3 series. But the 2013 team would win a best of 5 series.

Bats and balls may factor into it, with all things equal. 2013 team's hitting would improve with the newer balls, but the pitching (namely Real Deal Mitchell) would decline. I think Clark and Raffy would deposit that team's pitching over the complex.

 

[GTAT]

Hey dumbass. Go back and read my post and tell me where I made a point that both did not deserve to be there. Simply made the point that there legacies were enhanced by each other's which is a true statement and not a cut on either player.

Only a miserable MSU fan could doubt the legacies of Clark and Raffy. You managed to be the one.

 

[GTAT]

Arguably the best lineup 1-8 we’ve ever had. Mangum, Kruger, Lowe, Collins, Robson, Rooker, Humphreys, Gridley. We were loaded. And great starting pitching too between Hudson, Sexton, Pilk, and late season Zac Houston. Solid bullpen as well.

I've seen stats that suggest maybe we were too loaded. Many MLB managers use the 80/20 rule and say 80% of production comes from 20% of the lineup, which is 2 guys. Who knows.

Bullpen got us that year IMO, which makes no sense because we had Rigby, D. Brown, Smith and Humphreys. We had some weird dysfunction on that team though. A lot of guys went pro or transferred after that season when some of them should have come back.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Goat, no amount of different user names can mask your awful personality.

You should praise Allah every day for internet allowing you to be an intolerable ***. A few short years ago, your incessant belittling and interjection delivered in person would have gotten you donkey punched in the mouth with quickness.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

I would put Polk (slightly debatable because of what he did when he left), Clark, Palmeiro, and Mangum.

Mangum has a SEC batting title and All American status. Will probably become the SEC all time hits leader. Also his teams have won SEC Title and went to 2 Super Regionals and Omaha with one win away from the National Championship series.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

The Palmiero stat that just never gets enough attention is that he started in LF from day 1 as a true freshman in 1983 and struck out 11 times in 234 official at bats. He then actually improved that number as a sophomore with 10 strike outs in 236 official at bats.

 

[Indndawg]

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Ok. The all-time team got me thinking. Let’s say we have a Mount Rushmore at Dudy Noble. There’s room for 4. Who is it?!

Do you put BOTH Clark and Palmeiro even though they’re on the same team? Mangum even though he still has a season to go? Anybody from the‘13 team? Rooker for his triple crown? Showalter for .459?

I go:
Polk, Clark, Palmeiro, Boo

yes

 

[fader2103]

Polk, Palmeiro, Rooker, Mangum

His name is on the stadium, got to be on the Mt. Raffy and Rooker because of the SEC Triple Crown wins.

Mangum is only if he gets the All-Time hits record if not then change it to Cohen

 

[johnson86-1]

The Palmiero stat that just never gets enough attention is that he started in LF from day 1 as a true freshman in 1983 and struck out 11 times in 234 official at bats. He then actually improved that number as a sophomore with 10 strike outs in 236 official at bats.

What happened Palmiero's senior year? He get hurt? HR went from 29 to 20. AVG went from .415 to .300. OBP went down. K's went up. Not like he sucked, but a definite backwards step in production.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

That's a strong lineup. Myer was considered for sometime to be a borderline HOFer statistically.

 

[thekimmer]

Only a miserable MSU fan could doubt the legacies of Clark and Raffy. You managed to be the one.

You are one sad puppy. You apparently get off on poking at & twisting people's words around being insufferably rude as you do it and you call me miserable. I'll bet you are an absolute joy to be around.

 

[patdog]

Willie Mitchell may have pitched the best game in the history of baseball vs LSU in 1909. Perfect game and struck out 26 out of 27 batters. The strikeout record has been tied, but that guy gave up a hit and a couple of walks.

 

[StarkVegas Steve]

Polk, Palmeiro, Clark, Mangum

 

[She Mate Me]

What happened Palmiero's senior year? He get hurt? HR went from 29 to 20. AVG went from .415 to .300. OBP went down. K's went up. Not like he sucked, but a definite backwards step in production.

I never heard it called anything more than a bit of a slump for a great hitter. It was his Junior year and likely kept him from being a Top 10 pick.

 

[She Mate Me]

Willie Mitchell may have pitched the best game in the history of baseball vs LSU in 1909. Perfect game and struck out 26 out of 27 batters. The strikeout record has been tied, but that guy gave up a hit and a couple of walks.

I've heard about that game, but only verbally. Incredible. What's your source?

 

[patdog]

Link

Also, page 65 of the 2018 media guide.

Link

 

[She Mate Me]

Link

Also, page 65 of the 2018 media guide.

Link

Thanks. I actually have his autograph preceded by a short handwritten description of his career on a notecard. Bought it on Ebay awhile back from a guy who sought these older players out and got them to sign the cards.

He must have thrown gas for the time. That was the deadball era in the majors.

 

[bddawg]

Don't go too far. 2013 finished 1 spot better, but that 1985 team is probably the overall best college baseball team ever. I'd put them up against anyone in a 3 game series.

If the Lemonis hire ends up being a great one, Cohen's would cement himself on the Mt. Rushmore.

I think the 89 team was just as good as 85. Much better 1-9 offensively. Jobes wasn't as good as Morgan but other than that I'd take 89 in best of 7