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AreYouNUTS

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Miami runs a KO back for a TD, on 10 LATERALS, to win the game. Wait...there's a penalty flag....illegal block in the back on Miami. Game over, Duke wins, right? Apparently NOT in the ACC!!! Not only did they review a PENALTY call, but, they reversed it AND Duh' Canes win the game!!!

ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME???
 
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Leonard23

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AreYouNUTS said:
Miami runs a KO back for a TD, on 10 LATERALS, to win the game. Wait...there's a penalty flag....illegal block in the back on Miami. Game over, Duke wins, right? Apparently NOT in the ACC!!! Not only did they review a PENALTY call, but, they reversed it AND Duh' Canes win the game!!!

ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME???
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AND they missed the 12th Miami player on the field. Refs were inept.
 
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I thought they reviewed the play to determine whether it was a touchdown or not. How in the world do they ..................

1. determine by video there was no illegal blocks? Was every block even in the review? How would they know?

2. So on every review now for a TD, fumble or other, they are allowed to check for penalties if they were called, and reverse them?

3. Is this allowed per rules?

Seems absurd to me that they could reverse blocks in the back by review, did not think that was possible. I know refs could huddle and waive off penalties, but didn't think reviews could reverse them.
 
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WhiteBus

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Can someone explain why there was no flag for Miami having about 10 guys in the end zone without helmets when the runner crossed the line. These guys shouldn't have been on the field
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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JPhoboken said:
I thought they reviewed the play to determine whether it was a touchdown or not. How in the world do they ..................

1. determine by video there was no illegal blocks? Was every block even in the review? How would they know?

2. So on every review now for a TD, fumble or other, they are allowed to check for penalties if they were called, and reverse them?

3. Is this allowed per rules?

Seems absurd to me that they could reverse blocks in the back by review, did not think that was possible. I know refs could huddle and waive off penalties, but didn't think reviews could reverse them.
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I was wondering about that too. They did call a block in the back but they picked it up after the review. They reviewed the whole play for the laterals and the knee down I think but everything was okay according to the review.

The same way I don't think you could call a 12th man after the fact, I didn't think you could pick up the block in the back after the fact either but they did.
 
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ScarletNYC

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Knee was clearly down on the play
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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Good angle I don't think they had that angle during the review or at least ESPN didn't show it if they did. It was close from the other angle and harder to tell. Without saying he was down first, I don't know if there was enough evidence to overturn.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
Good angle I don't think they had that angle during the review or at least ESPN didn't show it if they did. It was close from the other angle and harder to tell. Without saying he was down first, I don't know if there was enough evidence to overturn.
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Once they called a block in the back, and the crew didn't waive it off, why are they even reviewing the TD? Isn't the game over at that point?
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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JPhoboken said:
Once they called a block in the back, and the crew didn't waive it off, why are they even reviewing the TD? Isn't the game over at that point?
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I don't know I was under the impression they were reviewing the laterals and then the knee being down. As far as the penalty I didn't think they could pick it up after the fact? Can't explain that but I'm not an expert on the rules regarding that. I was surprised that they did overturn it with the review.
 
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SkilletHead2

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It did look like the one block was more on the side, but there was one about 10 seconds earlier (toward the near side of the field) that was unambiguously a block in the back. Guess they didn't see that one.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
Good angle I don't think they had that angle during the review or at least ESPN didn't show it if they did. It was close from the other angle and harder to tell. Without saying he was down first, I don't know if there was enough evidence to overturn.
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They had the same view from the opposite angle. You could clearly tell the knee was down.
 
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JPhoboken

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rutgersguy1 said:
I don't know I was under the impression they were reviewing the laterals and then the knee being down. As far as the penalty I didn't think they could pick it up after the fact? Can't explain that but I'm not an expert on the rules regarding that. I was surprised that they did overturn it with the review.
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But if there is a block in the back, there is no TD to review? No?
 
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Refs obviously are set up for ApplePay. No more brown bagging. Seconds instead of days.

I hate Dook, but they were screwed worse than we ever have been, and that's saying alot.
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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topdecktiger said:
They had the same view from the opposite angle. You could clearly tell the knee was down.
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I didn't see that view just the one from behind the guy and it was hard to tell during the replay. They never really slowed it down enough to single out that part of the play to tell. But later on in one of the highlight shows they did and zoomed it in and it was a little better to tell that it was down.

I think the biggest problem was that there were so many things they were reviewing that they missed some stuff. Every lateral was being reviewed and there were many and the knee too and I guess block in the backs which I didn't think was reviewable so rather than just one aspect of a play they were looking at a ton of things and weren't s thorough.


JPhoboken said:
But if there is a block in the back, there is no TD to review? No?
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I don't know. After the ref called it I think he said something about untimed down and then after it went to review and they picked up the flag. I don't know the rules fully to comment. I was just surprised they picked up the flag with a review. Targeting I know you can do that, I don't know so much about other penalties.
 
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rutgersguy1_rivals

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I just saw college football sunday and among the many things they missed on that play they said you can't review block in the back and pick up the flag. You can review laterals and the knee but not the penalties. Like I said above basically targeting is one you can and also number of men on the field but that's about it.
 
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jmc11201

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That wad actually pretty impressive execution by Miami. Not to say there may not have been something missed, but they were pretty composed in that play.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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If the ACC had any respect for themselves, they would re-review the whole thing and give Duke the win. I mean, really.. reviewing judgment calls on video.. but not the number of players or if a knee touched? That's some crazy stuff that should be investigated by law enforcement if gambling could have been involved.
 
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Pritz99

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With officiating like that, why wouldn't Schiano go back to Miami. He was probably recalling all of the screw jobs we got playing the 'Canes.
 
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greenknight

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There were 2 really BLATANT blocks in the back besides the one gut that way laying on 5he ground when he lateral ed the ball The crew should be suspended or docked for that clown show
 
RUfromSoCal?

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players knee down, block in the back, sideline interference (coach on white stripe), 12 men on field (player without helmet running onto field before touchdown).

While it was a neat play, hard to enjoy when you see so many penalties not called......
 
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Man, the fix was definitely in on that game. Those officials must have made some serious money off of the outcome of that game.
 
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ScarletRunner

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Not arguing with the terrible officiating on the play, but one part of the story that is not being discussed is Duke's putrid special team performance. The coverage guys looked gassed/ a step slow from the start, and then several Duke players were in good position to make a tackle or at least force a rushed lateral. They almost seemed to sit back at several points and let Miami pick their spots for laterals/reversing field/etc.
 
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RUfromSoCal?

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ScarletRunner said:
Not arguing with the terrible officiating on the play, but one part of the story that is not being discussed is Duke's putrid special team performance. The coverage guys looked gassed/ a step slow from the start, and then several Duke players were in good position to make a tackle or at least force a rushed lateral. They almost seemed to sit back at several points and let Miami pick their spots for laterals/reversing field/etc.
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Imo- Duke players did good job staying in their lanes. They, tackled the ball carrier.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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Why don't they just award the game to Duke instead of having these official apologies?

Its not like the typical thing where they missed a call in the middle of something. this was the last play.. period. Changing the outcome now will just FIX it as it should have been.

And maybe doing that they can avoid the whole investigation as to WHY the calls were all going Miami's way.
 
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Pritz99

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Who's saying there's gambling in college FB? And in the same conference that has BC -- infamous for gambling scandals.
 
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